From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #3 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 003 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim eskrima: shoulder holsters eskrima: Hock eskrima: Shoulder holsters = disarm eskrima: Sharp teeth eskrima: Re: jailhouse rock eskrima: re Drunken Style eskrima: No email? eskrima: Re: Hock Hochhiem eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim eskrima: Supplier of Dr. Gyi's Kukri Knife eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #1 eskrima: Re: Zato Ichi & Dog Bros. tapes eskrima: Boxing and Parkinson's eskrima: Knife fighting eskrima: Blaise Loong`s Seminar eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #1 Parkinson's eskrima: Drunken Style eskrima: Re: Parkinsonism and Boxing eskrima: Mook Jong valuable to solo FMA training? eskrima: Bob Dubljanin eskrima: zaitoichi flicks Re: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim eskrima: Back in sunny Calif. .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:49:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim On 01/03/99 15:02:10 you wrote: Tom wrote in response to questions about Hock Hochheim: >> Actually the comments made by Hock Hockheim made alot of sense. Lots of >> untrained folks have overcome knife attacks, etc. He was a former MP, then >> street cop and now Private Eye. He testifies on knife attacks. I think he >> makes REAL good sense.--Tom Furman---tcsno@aol.com > and Ray responded: >seems like he spends too much time time trying to impress you >with his past jobs and not enough impressing you with useful >insights. Yes? No? >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Ray, If you've got a beef here, get it out in the open. With this little exchange, I'm wondering who's taking 'cheap shots'. Hock gave his support for each assertion in the '10 myths' article. If you think he's wrong, give your side of it. Do you believe there's only one effective way to hold a knife? Support it. Do you think that knife fights end with the first cut or stab? Prove it. Talk about the issues, not the personalities. Scott Kinney ------------------------------ From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:14:37 -0500 Subject: eskrima: shoulder holsters Nate Corley writes: >The author states that = >"shoulder holsters have fallen out of favor with many martial artists, = >and will not be covered here.." Does anyone have an idea why? Respond = >in private email if this subject has been covered, or is inappropriate = >for the FMA list. I assume many of us who train also own or = >carry firearms. Problems with shoulder holsters: 1) Difficult to conceal unless you button your jacket, which reduces your draw speed. 2) Poor weapon retention. Too easy for someone to grab it. 3) Easy for someone to stop your draw by checking your arm during the drawstroke. 4) Difficult to draw with safe muzzle control; too often people will sweep other people behind or to the sides of them. 5) Most shoulder rigs are very uncomfortable. Jay ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:15:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Hock Thanks to those who replied about Hock and his teachings. I had seen his website, but wanted opinions that were not selling him. On the whole, the article "10 sins" had some good basic information. There was nothing "absolutely" wrong with what he said. I don't have a copy of the article here, but I remember a couple of things. He said something negative about the "railroad" stance. This term is used in a knifefighting video, but the way it is described is not the way it is implied in the article. I've had the maker of that video come at me with knives, in that stance and others. He definitely teaches footwork and mobility. About the cross legged stances, etc. in the article. Don't penjak silat people cross thier legs at times doing knife work? Hock's so called cancer grip seemed to be about the Filipino grip that another kinfe fighting author teaches. (he teaches other grips too, but this is one.) I've done a bit with that author too, and he's no slouch with a blade. I know who the SEAL he commented on is too, but not personally like the others. Another comment about the "meat slashing video" instructors. Hmm... Seems to me that I only know of one video where the author slashes some hunks of meat to show what a blade will do. Same guy who talks about the railroad stance, and who is a friend of mine. This guy has spent the last 10-12 years writing, making videos, and teaching how to SURVIVE. In all sorts of violent situations - including knife fights. I just didn't think the comment was justified in the article. I don't want to bad mouth Hock's instruction. He may be very good, and he may be a very decent man. It's just that in my book, video, and articles, I don't feel I need to say negative things about other's teachings. In one review of my book it was said that it was nice to see a book in the genre that didn't have the author saying how tough he was. I agree with some instructors, and don't agree with others. That doesn't make me better or worse, just different. And the truth is, there is no ONE absolute way to fight, or train. His article had some very basic knife info, and it was good. It would have been just as good without the references to others. I rather we all get along, but maybe I'm too idealistic. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:31:21 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Shoulder holsters = disarm >From: "Nate Corley" >Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:06:49 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: MA and Shoulder Holsters? >Recently while thumbing through an old gun magazine, I ran across an = >article regarding concealed carry holsters. The author states that = >"shoulder holsters have fallen out of favor with many martial artists, = >and will not be covered here.." Does anyone have an idea why? Respond = >in private email if this subject has been covered, or is inappropriate = >for the FMA list. I assume many of us who train also own or = >carry firearms. >Regards, Nate >(natecorley@transport.com) Probably because the ease of disarms from the front. They can grap the gun and yank it out. I think the retention straps give them something more to grab onto as well. Turiyan ------------------------------ From: Paul Hopkins Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:37:49 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sharp teeth >>I wanted to find out if anyone remembered that pro wrestler than sharpened >>his teeth with files? It seems there was a guy, 25 or 30 years ago, named Freddy Blassie sp? who used to sharpen his teeth with a file. He also had a song out 15+ years ago that aired on the Dr. Dimento show called pencil necked geek. I wonder how many people on the list are training to incorporate/defend the bite particularly in grappling range. Isn't there a FMA dedicated to bites and pinches? ------------------------------ From: ttruscott@pacificcoast.net (Ted Truscott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:50:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: jailhouse rock - ------------------------------ Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) WROTE: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:53:19 -0500 Subject: eskrima: jailhouse rock >I believe I read in one of the IKF special mags of MA around the world or >some similar title that Dennis Newsome was an authority in Jailhouse Rock. >If I recall correctly, it was mainly using elbows and knees and many >inmates know it. I have the mag and have to dig it up. Perhaps Ted "The >Fighting Old Man" Truscott can look it up in his database and provide more >info. If you could find the magazine article, I too would be greatly interested in getting a copy of it. The only reference I've seen to this is in John Steven Soet's book "Martial Arts Around the World", which provides a few pictures but little useful information. Jay Sorry All, I guess I missed that issue... ------------------------------ From: "JYCHOW.AU.ORACLE.COM" Date: 04 Jan 99 12:42:32 +1100 Subject: eskrima: re Drunken Style >there was no such thing as Drunken >Style. Suddenly after Jackie Chan's movie DRUNKEN MASTER came out circa >1977, and it was a big hit, most of the CMA styles said, "We have that too"= > As a boy, I have already heard of the Monkey Style and the Drunken Style. This was before Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan came on the scene. According to GM Chee Kim Tong and GM Yap Ching Hai of Wu Chu Style (Go Ju or= 5 Ancestor Style) of Malaysia, these are very old styles of Kung Fu and they have diminished and dwindled in following as well as techniques through time. So, what we have now is just a 'representation' of what was once a large corpus of knowledge. These 2 arts were supposed to be very reputable = in the old days. Part of the drunken and monkey methodology has also filtered into various arts. eg. In Wu Chu, there is the Drunken Monkey.....etc. Of course, this does not mean that it is in evry/most CMA. We need to look = at this on a case by case basis. So, I conclude from the 2 points above that the Drunken Style that you enquire of was in existence prior to Jackie Chan. John Chow ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:20:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: No email? I just noticed that some of the messages (most) dont have a from header. I cant e-mail someone privatly if I dont have their e-mail. Turiyan ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:33:37 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochhiem From Marc Animal MacYoung >I've spoken with Mr. Hochheim only a couple times, but he's been very friendly and helpful. I, too, had the opportunity to speak with him at the SOF convention a few years ago and, at the time, that was the impression that I got. He appeared to me to have a firm awareness about the difference between what he taught as a money-making proposition (e.g. become a master knifefighter) and what someone had to do to survive the real thing. We left on pleasant terms. Until now I thought that was the norm, then came the article. Several people told me about it before I had a chance to read it -- and the common denomiator of what they told me was that he was taking cheap shots at me. >I tend to dismiss his "cheap shots" at other knife-fighting instructors as merely criticisms. The problem with the 10 myths of knife-fighting article is that it is either a thinly veiled series of cheap shots towards all other teachers of knives or it is a magnificent display of generalizations and misunderstandings of what other people are about. The thing is, I am on good terms with most "names" in this industry. And while I may disagree with them on certain points, those are more stylistic issues than anything else. I contacted them after reading the article. Each felt that the things they teach and their emphasis had been misrepresented and slurred. In my case, I felt that what I advocate had been misrepresented. Then the photo that showed "the right stance" was amazingly similar to what had just been dismissed. The general consensus is that the other pros are just going to ignore the article as a juvenile attempt to say, "I'm great; everyone else is wrong." When it comes to what he said in the article, if it was a direct attack -- Hey I've been called worse by my mother (and with more accuracy). The other professionals and I are not going to get involved in a name-calling contest. However, if it wasn't an intentional attack on me and others, then it reflects serious problems with his skills as a teacher and writer. Incidentally, since I am sure that this will be sent to Hock himself, I'd like to add "please remove me from your list of unsolicited endorsements" on your web page. ------------------------------ From: "jallen@tac.coe.unt.edu (Jeff Allen)" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:49:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim From:=20 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:31:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Hock > Actually the comments made by Hock Hockheim made a lot of sense. Lots of > untrained folks have overcome knife attacks, etc. He was a former MP, then > street cop and now Private Eye. He testifies on knife attacks. I think he > makes REAL good sense.--Tom Furman---tcsno=40aol.com=20 seems like he spends too much time time trying to impress you with his past jobs and not enough impressing you with useful insights. Yes? No? - - --=20 Ray Terry ramble=40hpwsrt.cup.hp.com=20 _____ Hi Guys, I want to first respond to Ray=27s (ignorant?) response/question to the this thread with an absolute NO. I think that the information that people get is directly related to real circumstances in his work experience and told through stories.....he is a storyteller. Hock is all over the country conducting seminars - take the opportunity to visit with him before a seminar if you don=27t want to attend, or by all means attend the seminar and gain some =22useful insight=22. Though Tom Furman=27s first sentence spoke to the useful insight in Hock=27s information, the last two sentences seem to have stood out in that Hock is a well rounded individual that can backup that techniques with combat scenarios that have actually happened over that years and actually shed light on some of the common myths of combat....which is what IKF ask him to write about. I have known Hock for a number of years now =AF assume the best . . . you won=27t be disappointed. =AF = Jeff Allen (jallen=40unt.edu) In addition, I asked Hock to respond to this thread.....the following is forwarded from Hock since he isn=27t a member of the list: I had a chance to glance at Bill McGrath=27s combat situations and would like to compliment him. Also and in that same vein, I have had a chance to meet with Burton Richardson last year. He and I share many instructors and students around the country and I would like to compliment him on the very combative approach he has been honing into his program. If you haven=27t taken a look at Burt in awhile, well, take another...=20 I tend to approach this teaching thing not from the perspective of a martial artist teaching a system, but to look at it as a police or military instructor teaching people who will be in danger that night or the next day. There is not time. We need to know everything and we need to know it now=21 If I were taking cheap shots at other instructors in my recent IKF article I would be hard pressed to think about which one instructor, originated what ideas, that I was =22shooting=22 at. Most of these things in my article are just common knife lore going around and thoughtlessly passed on down line to down line. Someone the other day asked me I was criticizing a certain famous instructor when I so emotionally warned against the wide-legged or =22railroad=22 fighting stance in that article. This famous instructor in question, turns out, is a friend of mine=21 and I wasn=27t taking a cheap shot at him, because if he does teach that railroad stance...I didn=27t know=21 He is my friend and I would not want to hurt his feelings. But his feelings really do come second to your life, the life of a cop, soldier or citizen who needs to know about the concepts of mobility, especially in a knife fight. Who originated the =22thumbs- up, cancer grip?=22 I don=27t know? I only ask that if you are doing it, whether you are an famous instructor or not, or practitioner, please think it over.=20 Too much time documenting my background? I don=27t just spend a little time on my background, I want TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH IT. So that you might listen to me. How else will you know my experiences? Plus in the isolated context of the article, many new people need to establish who the author is. In the end, my teaching, or my organization, my mission is not at all about me. It is about you. You must see through me to the material. I am but the coach, in a staff of coaches. YOU are the =22star=22, the player. You. I was commissioned in advance by Inside Kung Fu to write that exact article, title, intent and all, in a very brief presentation, a framework pretty difficult to be diplomatic. =20 ...and that=27s pretty much the inside scoop, ...thanks for the time on this very fine digest, Hock=20 (HockHoch=40aol.com) =20 ------------------------------ From: "JYCHOW.AU.ORACLE.COM" Date: 04 Jan 99 14:11:45 +1100 Subject: eskrima: Supplier of Dr. Gyi's Kukri Knife I am looking for the supplier of the great Kukri knife said to be recommended by the Burmese master Dr, Gyi. Can anyone on the list give me details (Supplier, adress, phone, cost) please. It was mentioned in passing in a past digest. Thanks in advance, John Chow Kali Illustrisimo. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:19:25 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #1 In a message dated 1/1/99 3:10:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Greetings, > > I was curious if anyone on this list has knowledge of Hock Hochheim and his > books, videos, seminars, organizations, etc. > > I know little about him, but have seen the recent article he wrote on the 10 > sins of knife fighting in several magazines. It seemed as though he took a > number of "cheap shots" at some of the other knife fighting instructors out > there. (one of whom is a friend of mine) > > Anyone have any pros or cons to share. I'd just like to know more about him > and his organizations. > > Thanks, > Alain Burrese I've seen this article in a recent issue of "Tactical Knives" and found it to be very interesting and informative to people with little or no experience in knife fighting arts. Hock has been around and has trained with a number of good as well as great people. I've studied his encyclopedia on numerous occasions with a cup of fancy coffee with an equally fancy French name at a local book store that has this feature. Out of respect, I should buy it because it does have some good info. However, it makes better sense once you pick up his first three tapes on Knife Fighting. These tapes are not "Panther Production" but are good quality instructional videos. I don't know where he's taking *Cheap Shots* at anyone from any material I've come in contact with. I do see he does have opinions that are contrary to some as in the case of *Blocking, or trying to disarm a Knife* for one. Paul V. in his "Advance Knife Fighting" video is one who strongly suggest to do so is *suicide and can't be done. * Here you have two people with opposing views expressing their views with little disrespect meant to anyone who my oppose their views. But, if I remember correctly, since I read this article sipping fancy coffee too, this view was in context with * what would these beef cutting experts have you do lay down and die. * Therefore, you have this guy (Hock) who teaches his students knife attacks against common blocks turn around saying * Yes* block it to save you life. Its better to take the cut to the arm than your neck. I can agree with this but would rather not get cut at all. But all this is based on the premise that one rarely gets through a knife attack with no scratches. Also, if I remember correctly much of his point of view is based on his Police background were he stated that he has seen untrained people disarm knives. He also pointed out, and there was a picture in his "Encyclopedia" that these people where cut but lived. So, you have some people saying run and this guy saying sometimes you can't and its better to go down gambling rather than give up because experts told you it can't be done. To me, this isn't a *cheap shot* but an honest opinion that is often debated in knife fighting forums. Mallen ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:57:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Zato Ichi & Dog Bros. tapes Hello!! Regarding Zato Ichi - Bugei Trading Co. has 12 remastered and subtitled Zato Ichi movies for $19.95. They are the best imported movies I have ever seen (as far as tape quality goes, the subtitles are even under the picture so they are readable and don't interfere with the picture). I don't know if Bugei has a website, but they advertise in all the M.A. mags, and their catalog is fun to read (vey thick, too). Now, since this was started by Guro Denny, I would like to ask him the status of the long promised 2nd Dog Bros tape series. When??? Thanks. Cecil "You're born at point A. You die at point B. kick maximum ass along the way" Ted Nugent ------------------------------ From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Boxing and Parkinson's Hy wrote: >I do not know the percentage of people suffering from Parkinson's who are >and are not boxers, but from what I've read and heard, it seems there is >some link between getting hit in the head and Parkinson's. I do not think >that the actor Michael J. Fox has been getting hit in the head and from >what you posted, it seems I stand corrected. Hello Hy, I've forgotten the name of the researcher but there was a scientist who was recently interviewed on NPR who has been exploring this question. He started off with the idea that he was going to prove that boxing and Parkinsons were related. So he put a lot of work into gathering health statistics about professional boxers. At the end of the study he still believed that there must be a relation but, here's the important part, he admitted that his statistics showed no correlation whatsoever between boxing and Parkinsons. It's interesting to note that while he still retained his prejudice on the matter, he was enough of a scientist to admit that he couldn't back up his belief. He still plans to continue this research and may find a weak link between the two in the future. The amount of statistics he'd gathered ruled out any strong link but did leave the possibility of a weak link open. >Which reminds me, I have to re-up my membership at Kim's Video and rent out >Zatoichi meets Yojimbo I finally got a chance to see "Zatoichi meets Yojimbo" about 6 months ago. There are some good slice em and dice em scenes but overall it's not all that great of a movie. It definitely doesn't rate up there with Yojimbo or any of the Sword of Vengeance "Baby Cart" episodes. But it's always nice to see Mifune carving up somebody and the blind masseuse has a few good fight scenes too. Randy B. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:51:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Knife fighting My comments on Hock Hockheim's resume just had to do with my interest in an instructors history. What events in their life made them have whatever opinion they are stating. Every knife fighting video seems to show endless disarms VS a knive fighter. I think in reality that most everyone on the list would just try to use footwork and visual skills to get their hands on the knife arm. I seriously doubt that the training drills would show up, ...as stated before, these were drills for warriors to keep sharp, not a bunch of guys learning to be warriors. In photos, tapes, and seminars, I have seen X-blocks use by Filipino fighters, BLOCKING with the left against the right handed slash, and stripping the blade with the front, not the back of the forearm. These would be in contradiction to what many hold sacred as the the basic laws of emptyhands VS knife. I would like to see a discussion of this area of training....Tom Furman-->tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:54:57 EST Subject: eskrima: Blaise Loong`s Seminar Meowmix news to all, CAT Society(Consolidated Arnis Tabak Society) hosting Blaise Loong on Saturday, January 9,1999 at 12:30n-4:30pm.Pre-registration $35.00 before Jan.6,1999 or$45 at the door. Place 3918 Atlantic Ave.,Long Beach, CA. Contact:Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad P.O. Box 6252 Lakewood, CA. 90714 or Arniste@aol.com Spectators $10.00 per person and no videos allowed ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:09:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #1 Parkinson's The problem with medicine and the public is that there is this rumor factory of misinformation and "experts" on every topic from nutrition to medical disorders that seems to be based on misinformation. People hear some "Fact" from the news or some study the haven't even read. Like the hoopla about silicon breast implants causing an autoimmune connective tissue disorder and don't check out the validity of the data and accept it as fact because the News said it was true. The news has a tendency to sensationalize facts or to put their slant on the facts to sell the kind of story they want (Dog Brothers have had some experience with this). The fact is 1% of women who have had breast implants end up with the autoimmune disease. But gee, 1% of the population of women without breast implants also get the same disease but you never were told this information, so you begin to think women with the autoimmune disease are caused by silicon breast implants. This leads to misinformation. No wonder why most people don't trust science. The truth is anyone who constantly gets hit in the head hard on a regular bases is susceptible to get a "degenerative brain" disorder. Most neurological damage or disorders that block the normal function of the brain are going to have similar symptom's. If remember right Parkinson's is caused by an L-Dopamine re-uptake or release problem. I'm not an expert on Parkinson's disease but if anybody is truly interested I can ask around at work. Email me to discuss it privately off the list. Jeff Monaghan Jmonagh@pacbell.net UCSF School of Medicine, Dept. of Neurology "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard." ------------------------------ From: Badger Jones Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:35:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Drunken Style Turiyan wrote "There *is* a drunken style. I'm puzzled as to why anyone would make a statement like this. The _Drunken immortals of god_ are liken to parables of jesus." Uh, just because there is the Taoist eight drunken immortals tales doesn't mean that there is a "drunken style." Possibly there was one at one point, but I tend to discount the legends on that one. "Mizong or lost track style is supposed to have lost drunken forms." As do Hung Gar and Seven Stars Mantis, to name two more styles that have drunken forms. However, the existence of drunken forms does not equate with the existence of a drunken style. I'm thinking that drunken forms were primarily used to make a particular school more notable in public demonstrations - hell of a lot more entertaining than strict fighting forms. I'm told some silat styles have the same idea - something entertaining to show the rubes, but keep your good stuff away from your competition/enemies. Richard Killick wrote: "To look at it from a different angle, I wonder if the FMA's will "merge" and we will all take on different bits of other peoples (FMA) styles in to blend." I think for the most part this has already happened. When somebody on the list mentions "sumbrada" for example, nobody says "hunh?" Obviously this is a drill that one system developed and enough practitioners saw the value of it and adopted it. Another example: I can safely say that the majority of the FMA'ers practice with single stick, double stick, espada y daga, and knife, with a few more thrown in for variety. But why don't we see more staff or spear arts? Or strictly throwing weapons? Perhaps this blending has already occurred, and the result is that the FMA's are more homogeneous. The various karate styles are supposedly descended from three separate arts: naha-te, tomari-te and shuri-te, but I would be hard pressed to see the difference between most of the karate being practiced today. Likewise we are seeing more of the Okinawan weapons arts being practiced by karateka, even though they were originally taught by separate groups. Karate was the urban art, and kobudo was the rural art. Badger Jones Sifu, Young Forest Kung Fu Club badger@cyberus.ca ------------------------------ From: Chris Smith Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:14:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Parkinsonism and Boxing From: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:24:39 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Parkinsonism and Boxing I'm a physical therapist here in New York...specialize in geriatrics...in my own personal experience, have seen 2 gentlemen under the age of 70 with very severe Parkinsons disease...these fellows were former boxers, and the degree of their illnesses were highly unusual and advanced for their age, in addition to the fact that apparently, the signs and symptoms began appearing way, way earlier than normal. Physicians around here, do believe that there is a link from repeated trauma and Parkinsons. Jeff Chung/NY In a message dated 1/1/99 4:10:59 PM, you wrote: >I do not know the percentage of people suffering from Parkinson's who are >and are not boxers, but from what I've read and heard, it seems there is >some link between getting hit in the head and Parkinson's. ....................................................................... PASSAGE: JERRY QUARRY, 53 (WRLD 7:30 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/story/17114.html He twice fought Muhammad Ali and lost two title shots, but Jerry Quarry's legacy may be a chilling reminder of his sport's brutality. The former heavyweight fighter died Sunday at a Templeton, California, hospital after a long descent into dementia brought on by repeated blows to the head. The progressive malady, similar to Alzheimer's disease, left Quarry virtually helpless and in the care of his family in his final years. ...................................................................... - - Chris Smith ------------------------------ From: "Dawn & Creight Hatico" Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:23:17 PST Subject: eskrima: Mook Jong valuable to solo FMA training? Hello! I was wondering if you guys felt a mook jong was valuable to solo empty hand training? I ask because I train with my girlfriend at home and whenever we do guntings and hubad, etc. I cannot go full speed for fear of hurting her. To this end, I was looking at various mook jongs and found "The Warrior" to be the most appealing. You can see "The Warrior" at www.thewarrior.com . Damn! These things are sure expensive! Would I be better off trying to make my own training device? As a side note, I also was interested in trapping sets on video for the mook jong. Any you guys would reccommend? I see that Ted Lucaylucay put out a video on mook jong training and I've been told that Paul Vunak put one out in the 80's-Any opinions? Thanks, Creighton honulea@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: bill Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:49:48 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Bob Dubljanin Hi All, Happy New Year. I was sent a flyer for a seminar in the North East of England with a guy called Bob Dubljanin (sp?). Can anyone give me some info on him. The flyer contains his background bio, but I would like to hear from people who have trained with him to find out if he's worth training with. Thanks in advance, Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: "big Joe A." Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:07:15 PST Subject: eskrima: zaitoichi flicks Hi everyone it's me big joe again, About the zaitoichi flicks there are something like twenty to thirty of them out there. Bugei trading company has them all for sale. They are pretty good flicks. Good sword work. I personally have four of them. They are at a fairly good price the last time I bought one. By the way they have a web site I think it's WWW.Bugei.com. Don't quote me on that though it's been a while since i visited their site. Peace and good wishes to all, BIG JOE =D P.S. Thanks Ray for another great year of eskrima digest. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:27:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochheim > and Ray responded: > >seems like he spends too much time time trying to impress you > >with his past jobs and not enough impressing you with useful > >insights. Yes? No? > > Ray, > > If you've got a beef here, get it out in the open. With this little exchange, > I'm wondering who's taking 'cheap shots'. > > Hock gave his support for each assertion in the '10 myths' article. If you think he's > wrong, give your side of it. Do you believe there's only one effective way to hold a > knife? Support it. Do you think that knife fights end with the first cut or stab? Prove it. > Talk about the issues, not the personalities. I have no beef here (well, not that kind of beef :), just a simple honest ("ignorant" in JAllen's terms) observation. No cheap shots. As Jeff's post from Hock indicates, it is his intent to hit you over the head with his credentials. I guess that works for some, but not for me and many others. I suspect that many of the folks reading this list have as many black belts and years in the arts that Hock does. So, don't show me your resume, show me a new way to keep me from cutting you or hitting you up-side the head. I haven't seen that out of him yet, but in all fairness I haven't done hours of research looking for it so perhaps it is there. And no threat implied... But I hope my point is getting across. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:41:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Back in sunny Calif. Hi all, I'm now back in sunny California... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #3 ************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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