From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #5 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 005 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Movie Trivia - Lone Wolf and Cub series eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 eskrima: Re: Movie Trivia eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 eskrima: Prof. Vee eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 eskrima: Hock eskrima: signing your posts Re: eskrima: Shoulder to Ankle Rigs eskrima: upcoming seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:03:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Movie Trivia - Lone Wolf and Cub series > >All this talk of Zatoichi (which I haven't yet had the pleasure of checking >out but plan to check out real soon) reminds of a question that has been >bugging me: My fiance swears that he has seen a Japanese (or maybe Hong >Kong) martial arts movie, circa 1960's or so, in which the hero goes around >pushing a baby carriage that is all tricked out with the latest James >Bond-type weapons. I am pretty sure he's hallucinating, but he recalls it >with fond clarity from his bygone youth. If anyone could confirm the >existence of such a movie, and maybe supply me with a title, I would be most >grateful. The movies (there are 6 of them) are called Lone Wolf and Cub. The titles are: #1 "Sword of Vengance" #2 "Baby Cart at the River Styx" #3 "Baby Cart to Hell" #4 "Baby Cart in Peril" #5 "The Land of Demons" #6 "White Heaven in Hell" In addition to the gadgets, there are some of the best samurai swordfights imaginable. Animeigo (www.animeigo.com) has lovingly rescued and remastered these films and hired top-flight translators and historical experts to make sure all the subtitles make sense. You can find them at Suncoast Video and most Blockbuster video stores. Scott Kinney ------------------------------ From: James Owens Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:13:42 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 > --------------------------- > > From: "Byrne, Mary Lou" > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:19:00 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Movie Trivia > > My fiance swears that he has seen a Japanese (or maybe Hong > Kong) martial arts movie, circa 1960's or so, in which the hero goes around > pushing a baby carriage > Mary Lou: This series of movies and long running Japanese TV show is "The Lone Wolf and Cub" series. Some time back some Hollywood type did an editing and dubbing job that was not terrible on three or four of them into one dubbed version, which name escapes me. Used to get the series on tv in the S. F. bay area and Seattle. Too bad someone does not snatch up the rights for a U.S. run with decent dubbing. Both the films and the t.v. show were quite good, as I remember. Jim ------------------------------ From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:14:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Movie Trivia "Byrne, Mary Lou" wrote: > My fiance swears that he has seen a Japanese (or maybe Hong >Kong) martial arts movie, circa 1960's or so, in which the hero goes around >pushing a baby carriage that is all tricked out with the latest James >Bond-type weapons. I am pretty sure he's hallucinating, but he recalls it >with fond clarity from his bygone youth. If anyone could confirm the >existence of such a movie, and maybe supply me with a title, I would be most >grateful. Hello Mary Lou, The name of the series is "Sword of Vengeance." There were 5 or 6 of them made in the early 70s. Ito Ogami (Lone Wolf) is something like a former executioner for the shogun. His entire family has been disgraced and wiped out by a rival clan. The only survivors are himself and his 2 year old son who "walk the path to hell together." Ito Ogami takes jobs as an assassin. That rival family is always trying to kill him and his son. The action scenes are great and beautifully photographed. Personally I always thought this series was much better than the Zatoichi series but to each his own. The baby carriage does have some James Bond like aspects to it, particularly in the final episode, "White Heaven In Hell," which goes way over the top and becomes very silly. Well, okay so they're all silly. But if you like seeing samurai slice each other to pieces, this is the series for you. But make sure you avoid the Americanized version that came out in the early 80s. It was called something like "Shogun Assassin." They pasted together the action scenes from several of the movies and managed to lose most of the atmosphere of the series in the process. Randy B. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:18:25 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 In a message dated 1/6/99 3:33:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Re.: Mary Lou Byrne's... << My fiance swears that he has seen a Japanese (or maybe Hong Kong) martial arts movie, circa 1960's or so, in which the hero goes around pushing a baby carriage that is all tricked out with the latest James Bond-type weapons. I am pretty sure he's hallucinating, but he recalls it with fond clarity from his bygone youth. If anyone could confirm the existence of such a movie, and maybe supply me with a title, I would be most grateful. >> The Japanese series was known as Lone Wolf and Cub (in English.) Lone Wolf is Itto Ogami; the "cub" is his son, Daigoro. Ogami was the shogun's official decapitator/capital punishment enforcer. When the level of his sword skill became a threat to the shogun, he sent his ninja assassins -- the Ura Yagyu -- to kill Ogami. The Ura Yagyu bungled it and killed Ogami's wife instead. Ogami thus discovered the shogun's plans for him and swore vengeance. Throughout the Lone Wolf series -- I think there are six original feature films and a poor TV series -- Ogami traverses Japan killing off the shogun's retainers and heirs, along with their ninja armies ( these, of course, were inferior ninja; not the type we train here at the New York Ninpokai [plug] .) In the 70s or maybe 80s, Hollywood grafted action scenes from the six films and released the unintelligible "Lightning Swords of Death" which, of course, had nothing to do with the original plot line. Predictably, the unwashed masses loved it and Hollywood followed up with "Shogun Assassin." I prefer the Lone Wolf series to the Zato Ichi films because they are more colorful and contain a lot more variety in action. It's not just swordplay, like in Zato Ichi, but also naginata, kusari, shuriken and, yes, the Baby Cart, which has more kakushi buki ("hidden weapons" to you non-ninja) than a feudal age Aston Martin. The films are still available and very entertaining. You really won't be disappointed. James Loriega New York Ninpokai ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:49:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Prof. Vee I remember Prof. Vee coming to workout at Grand Tuhon Gaje's school in the mid 1970's. My memory of the time is that you never saw Prof. Vee without a smile and that no matter how many times you saw him each time he had a different walking stick (most often with a sword concealed within). I was only a teenager back then, but I thought that he could hit pretty darn hard for a man his age and size. The martial arts community in the U.S. has lost one of its pioneers. From all the members of Pekiti-Tirsia international, our most sincere condolences to the Visitacion family, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:00:43 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 greetings and salutations.....in reply to the ankle-rig question....the most effective back-up weapon is one that you dont telegraph that it is there......in other words, you need to wear it on a constant basis so that you can move without it being noticable that you are wearing it....if you only wear it on certain occasions, then you will tell everyone and their cat that you have an ankle-rig......as far as practicality.....why would you even consider wearing a rig that might allow your weapon to become unsecure?.....even if you are not kicking, you still run the risk of dislodging it while in pursuit of someone or in tactical withdrawal(that is read 'retreat).......those are the considerations to bear in mind....if those are not met, find another solution......cheers.....leighan ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:47:25 EST Subject: eskrima: Hock >>Hock gave his support for each assertion in the '10 myths' article. If you >>think he's wrong, give your side of it. Do you believe there's only one >>effective way to hold a knife? Support it. Do you think that knife fights end >>with the first cut or stab? Prove it. Talk about the issues, not the >>personalities. This will be the last I say about this, unless asked direct questions. Thing is, I know one instructor who teaches the Filipino grip with the thumb up. But instructs to close the hand on impact. BUT he also teaches other ways to hold the knife as well. The quote in the magazine said something like, the meat slashing instructor giving up and saying the fight is over after the first cut. This is such a misquote. I watched that video last night, what the instructor was saying is that in a hand to hand fight, you can afford to absorb some blows - In a knife fight you can't. The right strike with a blade can put you out of commission. He was saying this to ilustrate the importance of mobility and getting out of the way of an incoming knife. IN NO WAY did he say that once you were cut you should not keep giving it all you have. IN NO WAY did he say that once you are cut you should just roll over and die. He was just pointing out that when knives are used, the fight can be over with the first cut or stab if it hits a vital target, and that's why it is so important to get out of the way. Big difference there, and that's why I believe the article would have been better without that comment. Guess when my Knife article comes out you can critique me. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:45:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: signing your posts >I just noticed that some of the messages (most) dont have a from header. >------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:33:37 EST >Subject: eskrima: Re: Hock Hochhiem > > >I, too, had the opportunity to speak with him at the SOF convention We've covered this recently (I guess it has something to do with an upgrade to Ray's configuration), and the general agreement was for folks to put their info at the end of their post, to make sure it comes through. I, for one, would like to know who wrote the above post about Mr. Hochheim, as it would make a lot more sense knowing the source of this opinion. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org "Somewhere, over the rainbow... that's where the airline will find my luggage." ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Shoulder to Ankle Rigs > I'd like to hear some comments re: ankle rigs from anyone who has used > one and has the kicking habit (pun intended). While I was living in > Miami I trained briefly with an LEO who after commenting on ankle rigs > told me to "Get used to it." I don't know that I want to use an ankle > holster given the possibility that I may reflexively pop a kick out as > part of handling a problem ... I have little confidence and less > experience with such a scenario. Can anyone comment on ankle rigs and > kicking? Given that we may be using the strong side leg to kick and the > ankle rig will be on the other leg, I still have questions re: weapon > retention if/when the fit hits the shan and we're not immediately trying > to access the weapon, i.e., it's too late/the assilant/perp is too close > for us to go through what it takes to access the tool. Ray, is this > fair game for discussion? If yes, then I'd like to consider all kicks > as being delivered below the waist. Me. I love this type of chatter, but we need to limit it given the charter of this forum. I personally would only recommend an ankle rig as a backup rig, not for your primary sidearm. As a kicker-type, I would only wear one either all the time (well, almost all of the time) or none of the time. Either you get yourself used to not kicking with that leg through your training (it is possible to do) or you just don't use that type of rig. Reactions/comments? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "James Wilson" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:05:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: upcoming seminar There is a seminar coming up in my area with Ama Guro Raffy T. Pambuan. His family system is Pambuan Arnis Tulisan Caballero. Can anyone give me details of his system? Thanks, James ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:22:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #4 First, condolences to the family and students of Professor V. Our world is poorer for the loss of such exemplary men. Though I never met him, clearly his influence spread far beyond his immediate circle of associates and students. * * * * * * * * >I'd like to hear some comments re: ankle rigs from anyone who has used >one and has the kicking habit (pun intended). I've never carried a gun in an ankle rig (though I have used shoulder rigs, worked well with a sports coat), but I have carried boot knives. In general, my experience was that they were hard to get to when necessary, and yes, it does feel insecure to kick with one. About the best place for such a carry is in a car, as upper body movement is limited for accessing a weapon, and the feet are fairly close. Plus, the movement is not as obvious in the vehicle. As far as strong side kicking ... I'm right handed, but left legged. I've always jumped off my left leg, and I kick much better with it (more speed, better flexibility, better balance). Anyway, as far as carrying a weapon on one's ankle, it is important to figure out what is the best position. For a right handed person, it could be on either side of the right ankle (grip forward on the inside), or the inside of the left. I generally disliked carrying a blade on the outside of the leg, as it was easier to spot. >In response to Guro John Chow's Kukri question, there are many suppliers >of kukris, only 2 of which I have personal experience with. > >1) Cold Steel: >2) Himilayan Imports: Although not a great fan of the kukri myself, they are interesting blades; great camp knives, useful for heavy-duty yardwork. I own a couple. One is a Himalayan import, fairly old. It's big, heavy and has a well-nicked handle. Still strong and functional after so many years; I keep it stashed near one of my doors. My other is from Blackjack knives (I think they went out of business a few years back). It is quite similar to the Cold Steel kukri (perhaps even the same blade), but I like the handle MUCH more. The grip is a firm, but not overly hard, rubber that sticks nicely in the hand. More importantly, this grip covers the small guard on the blade, which I do not believe the Cold Steel does. Having tried both, and spent hours clearing brush with my kukri, I'd say this seemingly minor detail makes a big difference between a comfortable knife to use, vs. a linen closet decoration. In fact, When I bought the Blackjack, I actually went into the store intending to get the Cold Steel knife. The one I used for comparisons belonged to one of my students. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org "People who live in glass houses shouldn't cavort nude on top of the piano doing gorilla impersonations." ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #5 ************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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