From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #8 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 8 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 008 In this issue: eskrima: Boise, Idaho Re: eskrima: Boise, Idaho eskrima: sounda familiar eskrima: Mexican escrima eskrima: Hardening & Finishing of Raw Rattan Sticks eskrima: NEW FMA ACADEMY IN NEW JERSEY! eskrima: cutting the meat eskrima: Re: Pambuan Arnis eskrima: Zatoichi n stuff eskrima: address eskrima: Modern Hand to Hand article eskrima: Hapkido: ki finger eskrima: Guro Inosanto in Cleveland eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #7 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #5 Amaguro Raffy Pambuam eskrima: The Telling Cut - possible answer? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #7 eskrima: re: ED # 7 - The "Telling Cut" - Tourniquet use eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #6 eskrima: Concealment Rigs Re: eskrima: Hapkido: ki finger Re: eskrima: cutting the meat eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:52:39 EST Subject: eskrima: Boise, Idaho Do any list member's live in the Boise Area? I have seen an address of a Remy/Ernesto Presas student, and an Emin Boztepe devotee. I am interested in the usual kali/silat/grappling play that most of us delve in. My family and I are thinking of relocating from S. Florida to a healthier environment. Down here, the bad guys, not good guys have the guns, and they dont like PitBulls. Kinda sucks.--Tom Furman ...aka...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:12:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Boise, Idaho > My family and I are thinking of relocating from S. Florida to a healthier > environment. Down here, the bad guys, not good guys have the guns, and they > dont like PitBulls. Kinda sucks.--Tom Furman ...aka...tcsno@aol.com The bad guys may have'em, but the good guys have'em too (to my understanding). Florida has a 'shall issue' statute for CCWs. That was one of the reasons given for foreign tourists being targeted by thieves a couple years ago because the 'bad guys' could assume that German speaking tourists would not be armed. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:20:22 EST Subject: eskrima: sounda familiar Greetings all. >>Make sure you avoid the Americanized version that came out in the early 80s. It was called something like "Shogun Assassin." >> I knew this whole lone wolf thread sounded familiar but I couldn't place it until Randy mentioned "Shogun Assassin." I remember watching this at a party when I was in high school (in the early eighties), everyone was going nuts, picking up anything that resembled a sword and slashing at anything that moved. I guess you shouldn't mix alcohol and testosterone! On a separate note. I am considering a job offer in the Taunton mass- Providence R.I. area and was wondering if anyone on the list could recommend any FMA instructors or schools in the area. I have a couple of leads but thought I should check here as well. Thanks in advance, Bill. wschpunyo@aol.com ------------------------------ From: adrowell@webtv.net (Arthur Rowell) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:42:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Mexican escrima Greetings everyone, Recently I was looking through some old issues of Black Belt magazine, and I found an advertisement for "Mano de Guerra." It's supposed to be an Aztec style of grappling, stick, and knife fighting that is similar to FMA. Has anyone heard of this, and if so, what do you know about it? Thanks, Doug Rowell ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:14:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Hardening & Finishing of Raw Rattan Sticks Dear sir/ma'am: Please can you tell me how raw rattan sticks are prepared, hardened, and finished for use in FMA. Thank-you, Kelvin Williams ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:53:50 EST Subject: eskrima: NEW FMA ACADEMY IN NEW JERSEY! Greetings, For those of you in the central New Jersey area (Middlesex County), the American Renaissance Martial Arts Academy is open and running. Classes are offered in Doce Pares Eskrima, Kenpo Karate, Kick-boxing, Grappling, and Hsing-I Chuan. For more info call (908) 412-1777, e-mail Solandes@aol.com, or check out the unfinished web page at www.armaacademy.com Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:18:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: cutting the meat A Howl etc: I'd like to comment on the cutting the meat thing that someone referred to without getting involved in the Hock thread if I may. Back in the mid-80s when I was training with Paul Vunak and was his business partner we were preparing for the Panther videos and were talking. Paul was talking about a certain mindset that certain classical arts have of blocking and not realizing what it meant to really take a good slash to the arm, so I suggested getting a big piece of meat and showing them. At first Paul hesitated, but he quickly decided he liked the idea so I went to the butcher shop and got a leg of pork, hung it up and shot the bit. The knife used was a Spyderco Police model. The point being made, as I remember it, was that one could not simply transpose emptyhand techniques to the knife without the sort of consequences demonstrated on the leg of pork and that the FMA had a different and pretty damn good approach. A couple of years later I heard that someone else, I don't know who, did the same thing-- whether this was an, ahem, sincere flattery or a coincidence I cannot say. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:47:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Pambuan Arnis Ama Guro (Father-Teacher) Rufino T. Pambuan is the 5th Generation inheirator of his families system. The system is taught in two ways. Tulisan (Robber or Bandit Style) - the emphasis here is on a quick dispatch of your attacker. Caballero (Gentleman Style) is more along the lines of "Friendly" Self- Defense. The system is comprised of Double stick, single stick, espada y daga, Daga, Latigo (Horse Whip), Bullwhip and Mano-Mano. His father, Lolo Guro (Grandfather-Teacher), still lives in Laguna and is (approx.) 79 years old and still swings a mean stick. He visited us a few years ago and I was fortunate enough to have trained with him. He had me try to attack him at full force and I could not lay a stick on him at 77 years of age. The best thing I can say about Ama Guro is that you will come away from one of his seminars with some knowledge you didn't have before and you will have made a new friend. Ama Guro is one of the nicest, most respectful people I have ever met. He is well known by the Sayoc Tribe and another member of this list Gat Puno Abundio Baet (A person I am glad to call my friend and Teacher) I am proud to call Raffy Pambuan my friend, my "brother" and my Guro. John Bain GuroJohn@aol.com Punong Guro - Pambuan Arnis Kuntaw ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 03:58:17 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Zatoichi n stuff >A couple of quick questions more: About the actor who played him >(Shintaru Katsu was it?)--was he really blind? No...he was sighted. Also later he was busted for drug possession in Hawaii ( a few years back)...according to the IMDb, he died in 21 June 1997 in Kashiwa, Japan of throat cancer...real name: Toshio Okumura Anyone remember the old "The Samurai" tv series (with the characters Shintaro and Tombei "the Mist")? btw...is the Hockheim article the same one that appeared in Inside Kung Fu back in October (with the "cancer thumb" ref)? I saw the cover of Tactical Knives (Jan ish?). Is this the same exact article? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:58:11 EST Subject: eskrima: address In a message dated 99-01-07 18:14:45 EST, you write: << Alain Burrese, What is your email address? Thanks, Chuck Deal >> Alain Burrese aburrese@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:09:59 EST Subject: eskrima: Modern Hand to Hand article In a message dated 99-01-07 18:14:45 EST, you write: << one of which was expanded and printed in Black Belt (the "In Search of Modern Hand to Hand Combat" artcle) which did not seem to ruffle feathers like the "10 Myths" piece... >> I did see this article too, since I wrote the editorial in the same issue. (Jan 99) I felt Hock had some good things to say about that kind of training. Of couse, not everyone studies MA for the same reason, but if your objective is strickly fighting and self-defense, there were some good pointers there. Just like there were some good points in the knife article. The only reason I had some "feathers ruffled" is that it seemed like he made a couple negative comments about one of my friends (and instuctor) that were not on target. The article would have been just as good by making his points, and not mentioning anyone else. Alain Burrese aburrese@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:23:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hapkido: ki finger I was going through my old magazine. It has that article on ki finger. I never had a intrest in it till I found out it was written by jane hallender. A yi quan (i chuan) exponent. I became more intersted as I actually read the article in more detail. It not only talked about the physical strenghts of lifting the index finger in a grab, but how it adds strength with chi. The one finger zen is a special skill that involves wai qi and kong jing. Without getting into a debate about weather these things exist. I'd like to find out if anyone here is familiar with ki finger and incorporate this technique in their grabs, locks and throws. Here is the body of the article: http://www.tcmedia.com/publications/martial/sep96p18.htm Comments? Turiyan ------------------------------ From: "Jon K Curtis" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:27:01 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Guro Inosanto in Cleveland Hi guys! Just wanted to inform everybody: Northeast Ohio Martial Arts is sponsoring a seminar with Guro Dan Inosanto on January 23rd & 24th (Sat & Sun) at Ursuline College. There will be two training blocks on each day: 11:00-1:30 2:30-5:00 Pre-register (postmarked)by January 16th and pay $35.00 per block, or $130.00 for all four blocks. After January 16th the cost is $45.00 per block, or $170.00 for both days. Send check or Money Order to: Ken Gleeson PO Box 5004 Willowick OH 44095 Thanks! ~Kev http://members.harborcom.net/~curtisjk/index.html ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:24:26 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #7 Fred Degberger's (SP?) Academy in Chicago but I don't remember where but it is a big school and probably in the phone book. Nate Defensor's school is also a good choice. Jeff Monaghan "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard." ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #5 Amaguro Raffy Pambuam Hi, I have had the opportunity to see this man in action several times recently. He is very good at his art which is his families style. His seminars are a pleasure to attend and he will personally help you over any learning curves you may encounter. It is very easy to see he loves teaching his art to others and he always had a huge smile on his face. From what he told me "caballeo" means the gentlemans art and "tulisan" means the warriors art. I was fortunate enough to be his demo dummy at 2 small seminars and I really learned a lot from that. Amaguro Raffy is a world champion ice carver and the head chef at Universal Studios in Orlando. lots of blades in his chosen professions. I have seen him do seminars and demos with one of the Sayocs also. I was so impressed with him I am trying to find a way around both our schedules and the 2 hour drive from Tampa where I live to Orlando to train with this man. Tommy Baker ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:45:28 -0500 Subject: eskrima: The Telling Cut - possible answer? Good morrow, all! In regards to the samurai trivia.... >The "Telling" Cut > Ron > Incidentally, with all this Samurai movie talk, in many of the duels > you will see the enemy cut down, then a close up of the Samurai > standing over his dead opponent with a slight cut at the Samurai's > forehead will a small trickle of blood running down the face. Just a stab in the dark, but a possible reason for the pose you describe is that it is reminiscient of one of Musashi's most famous battles (and the one that is the climactic battle in the Musashi movie trilogy... an excellent piece of cinema, IMHO). Forgive my blurred recollection, but it's been a while since I studied Musashi historically, but if I recall, he fought against an excellent swordsman, whose trademark was the "swallow-tail" cut. Anyways, when they dueled, the finishing blow involved Musashi drawing his wakizashi during the fight, and killing his opponent while his opponent was striking towards Musashi. The use of two swords simultaneously in Japanese swordfighting was unheard of (according to the history I read... I could be wrong), and so the opponent was caught off guard, and subsequently died. Now, the opponent's strike to Musashi cut the head band from his head (legend has it)... I assume that's to illustrate just how close Musashi was to death, and therefore, just how good his opponent was. Anyways, the fight supposedly ended with Musashi standing over his opponent, with his forehead cut, swearing that this was the greatest opponent he had ever fought. Trivia about this fight; Musashi did not use a live Katana; apparently, he cut a wooden sword from an oar, and used that in the fight. In fact, it was right about this time that Musashi stopped using real swords in combat (I guess he learned the value of stick-fighting!); many people believe this was his last fight where he used a live blade. (his short sword). Just a thought as to why the cinema loves that scene so much... Best to all, Mike Worth ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:22:27 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #7 From Animal In a message dated 99-01-07 18:10:53 EST, you write: << then a close up of the Samurai standing over his dead opponent with a slight cut at the Samurai's forehead will a small trickle of blood running down the face. >> Yeah, I remember those...when was the last time you cut yourself shaving? Face wounds tend to bleed like a stuck pig - even small ones. The forehead is one of my favorite non-lethal targets. In fact, in the movie "The Duelists" they show a pretty good representation of just such a wound. Oops, he can't see, duel over. I also like Hollywood's tendency to overlook nerve damage over bullet wounds, the idea of getting shot in the shoulder as so many Hollywood hero's did kind of ignores that the bullets tend to hit right where the cluster of nerves that controls the arm is. ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:01:54 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: ED # 7 - The "Telling Cut" - Tourniquet use Ron, According to my instructor, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet, the tourniquet around one's head is used to prevent blood from reaching the eyes not to prevent death. Also, as Gat Puno has demonstrated many times, the tourniquet can be also used as a weapon and for countering attacks. Regarding the hand, IMO, placing the hand on the heart defeats the purpose of the "Live hand". In Espada y Daga and other Garimot drills the hand never rests. Also with the blade movie talk, my favorite movie is the first Chinese movie I ever saw back in 1972 which was the "One Armed Swordsman" with David Chaing and Ti Lung. For another great Chinese movie, check out Blade of Fury with Ti Lung and directed by Sammo Hung. Cinemax will be showing this movie (English subtitled) on Friday, January 22 at 5:10 AM. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:17:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #6 In a message dated 1/7/99 8:07:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Howdy all! A friend in Chicago asked me if I could recomend any FMA instructors in the area. Anyone have sugestions? Salamat in advance! Pete Kautz Arnis-Kali Ithaca >> You might want to contact the Degerberg Academy. Ask to speak to Tom Dorety, Eugen Amante, Bill Economos or John L'Heralt. They are all great FMA instructors. Ron Balicki ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:38:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Concealment Rigs First off, concealment and comfort are at inverse proportions with each other. The harder your weapon is to see, the bigger the pain in the ass it is to carry. The question you need to ask yourself is, How much concealment do I need? Each method of carry has its disadvantages, but I don't believe weapon retention is one of them. The mere fact that the weapon is concealed is the safety factor and it should not be exposed until it is brought into play. As an LEO, I usually carry off duty in a F.A.G. (fat action gun) bag. However, when I work in plain clothes I prefer an inside the waistband rig. It works for me, and I believe the pros outweigh the cons with this mode. That having been said, it is really a matter of personal preference. BTW I wouldn't wear an ankle rig for all of the reasons already stated. Joe Hironaka b267@email.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Hapkido: ki finger > I became more intersted as I actually read the article in more detail. It > not only talked about the physical strenghts of lifting the index finger in > a grab, but how it adds strength with chi. > > The one finger zen is a special skill that involves wai qi and kong jing. > Without getting into a debate about weather these things exist. I'd like to > find out if anyone here is familiar with ki finger and incorporate this > technique in their grabs, locks and throws. Yes. The 'ki finger' (extended index finger) just causes the bone of the lower part of the finger to dig into a pressure point. That causes the opponent to go up on their toes which then makes the throw much easier to execute. Try it both with all four fingers wrapped around their wrist and then with only the last three fingers wrapper and the index finger extended. You'll see how the bone of the index finger makes the throw work much better. No Ki/Chi to it, IMHO. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: cutting the meat > knife used was a Spyderco Police model. The point being made, as I > remember it, was that one could not simply transpose emptyhand techniques > to the knife without the sort of consequences demonstrated on the leg of > pork and that the FMA had a different and pretty damn good approach. > > A couple of years later I heard that someone else, I don't know who, did > the same thing-- whether this was an, ahem, sincere flattery or a > coincidence I cannot say. Lenny McGill and others have done meat cutting videos after Animal did. Not sure if anyone did it prior to that. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:39:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #8 ************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.