From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #9 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 8 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 009 In this issue: eskrima: Ed Hart eskrima: Herb Tanton? eskrima: Re: Pambuan eskrima: four fingered grip and musashi eskrima: meat cutting eskrima: Mardis Gras Martial Arts Camp 1999 eskrima: 10 Deadly Sins eskrima: Re:"ki finger" eskrima: Hawaii Digest members eskrima: cutting meat eskrima: Eskrima in Boise, Idaho eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:29 EST Subject: eskrima: Ed Hart I understand also, that Ed Hart, an early Bruce Lee student, boxer, and grappler, passed away recently. This was posted on the AOL martial arts board. Tom Furman...aka...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:02:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Herb Tanton? Does anyone know how to get a hold of Herb Tanton, who is an Eskrima/JKD instructor in Hawaii? The last number I have for him is (808) 254-6127. Thanks! - -Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:12:25 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Pambuan <>TBaker I met Guro Raffy at a Sayoc event in Naples and assisted him on a couple of demos. He is a good natured fellow with alot of talent. He did a Latigo demo and a double stick skirmish demo. I also saw a sculpture he carved of Lapu Lapu which was also excellent. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Ben Trissel Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:22:45 -0800 Subject: eskrima: four fingered grip and musashi Try it both with all four fingers wrapped around their wrist and then with only the last three fingers wrapper and the index finger extended. You'll see how the bone of the index finger makes the throw work much better. No Ki/Chi to it, IMHO. Aikido physics. It was pointed out to me long ago, that the grip of the index finger is mutually exclusive to the grip of the other three fingers. Hence, you get a better grab using the other three fingers. Aikido uses this principle a lot. It's in all basic weapons work, and in the four foundation techniques (ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, and yankyo.) Most prominent in yankyo, where the extended index finger actually works to drive the pad of the finger into a nerve cluster on the partner's forearm. When I first started eskrima, my teacher used to whack my index finger (lightly, but it still hurt) to break me of the habit of over-extending said finger when I gripped the stick. Re: Musashi's last battle. There is a great difference in how the battle went down between the books and the movie. In the books, when his opponent strode from the boat to the shore, Musashi ran at him and bashed his head in before he could prepare himself for battle. The movie battle was a little more poetic. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:01:59 EST Subject: eskrima: meat cutting From Animal Crafty wrote: >A couple of years later I heard that someone else, I don't know who, did the same thing-- whether this was an, ahem, sincere flattery or a coincidence I cannot say. I guess you could call it flattery, it is however the third most effective way I ever saw to get across the message across as to what kind of damage a knife will do to human flesh and why you need to be screamingly paranoid about facing them. The second most effective way I know of is to actually see someone get sliced . I'm not talking about standing over bodies or showing scars, but actually seeing the blood splattering the walls and everyone involved. Watching someone stagger away with precious bodily fluids gushing out of a gaping hole and having the stench is not a fun experience. The third way is to actually be holding a blade as it enters human flesh. I don't recommend the first two. But I will publicly acknowledge the brilliance of coming up with the third way as an effective way of communicating why knives have to be respected. It is a great teaching tool for getting past macho marital arts fantasies about what you would do to a knifer. It does make people sit back and think. ------------------------------ From: Ron Harris Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:02:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Mardis Gras Martial Arts Camp 1999 Kalipunan Ng Sining Pang Laban Pilipino presents MARDIS GRAS MARTIAL ARTS CAMP 1999 http://www.bloodsport.com/seminar.htm http://www.wwa.com/~guronate/events.htm http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rudy/camp/ LOCATION Dates: Friday, February 12, 1999 to Wednesday, February 17, 1999 Place: Bayou Segnette State Park http://crt.state.la.us/crt/parks/byusegne.htm 7777 Westbank Expressway, Westwego, LA 70094 Phone: (888) 677-2296 toll free or (504) 736-7140 Price: $150 Stay overnight. $100 Daytime only. EQUIPMENT If you are staying overnight, then please bring blankets, sheets, and pillows. If you plan to do full-contact stickfighting, then bring a fencing mask, street hockey gloves, knee pads, elbow pads, groin cup or breast shield, and wrestling shoes. For FMA you need sticks. In kickboxing and grappling, use wrestling shoes. INSTRUCTORS John C. Clements, Historical Western Swordsmanship Nate Defensor, Filipino Martial Arts/ Silat Jeff Finder, Serrada Eskrima, Stickman Products Omar Hakim, Pekiti Tersia Ron Harris, FMA, Muay Thai, BF Savate, Kajukenbo, Others Dan Medina, Derobio Eskrima, Babao Arnis, Black Sphinx Karate, Others Jan Miernyk, JKD, FMA, BJJ, NHB, Submission Grappling Alfredo Ramirez, Brazilian Jiujitsu, Extreme Combat Jarrhet Whittico, Wing Chun Kuen ITINERARY Friday, February 12, 1999, Arrival Saturday, February 13, 1999, Seminars Sunday, February 14, 1999, Seminars Monday, February 15, 1999, Seminars {Full-Contact Stickfighting Matches} Tuesday, February 16, 1999, Mardis Gras Wednesday, February 17, 1999, Departure INFORMATION Ronald A. Harris, Ph.D. & Associates 12074 Newcastle Ave., Apt. 1803 Baton Rouge, LA 70816 USA Telephone (225) 292-4221 Facsimile (225) 291-9554 Cellular (225) 938-2549 Email ruow@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Tim Kashino" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:22:23 -0000 Subject: eskrima: 10 Deadly Sins Hi everyone I'm sorry if I am late in coming out of lurking to address this issue. Sometime I am unable to check my mail for weeks at a time. I thought Hock's article was quite good, and I agree with most of what he wrote. I wish to offer my two cents as well. I partially agree with Hock on the subject of "Overemphasizing Flow Drills". He should have included "blindly emphasizing flow drills" I have witnessed instructors religiously teach knife flow drills without really knowing what they are for. These type of drills are practiced in order to familiarize oneself with certain reference points or "cues" where one might "feed the blade" delivering a potentially crippling cut to you attackers limb or execute a trap to set up a series of fatal cuts and thrusts. I also differ from Hock's opinion on the "Cancer Grip". While employing this grip does weaken the grip, there is an advantage to using it. The use of this grip adds a trapping tool to your arsenal of techniques, and it only takes about a millionth of a second to move your thumb back to saber or hammer grip to deliver a cut or thrust It's kind of like keeping your trigger finger off of the trigger (along the frame or receiver) until you are on target and ready to fire. My bottom line is that if you can make it work, use it. I also agree with Hock's points on blocking and disarming. However, I feel that given the grave nature of knife combat it is better to counter attack than to block. Cut to the chase (bad pun, I know) and attack your attacker. These are basically my opinions based upon my experiences and training. I fully agree with Hock about the serious nature of knife fighting. There are instructors that teach knife defense and knife fighting without grasping the totality of what they are addressing. There are even instructors that develop their own blade fighting system without any real knowledge of what it means to be in a "him or me" confrontation. Overlooking the ugly nature of blade fighting is the deadliest of sins. Thanks for your time guys. Sincerely, Tim Kashino P.S. My most heart felt condolences to the family, friends and students of Prof. Vee. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:34:13 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:"ki finger" Ray writes: << Yes. The 'ki finger' (extended index finger) just causes the bone of the= lower part of the finger to dig into a pressure point. That causes the opponent to go up on their toes which then makes the throw much easier to execute. Try it both with all four fingers wrapped around their wrist and then wit= h only the last three fingers wrapper and the index finger extended. You'l= l see how the bone of the index finger makes the throw work much better. N= o Ki/Chi to it, IMHO. >> Though I have little experience in Hapkido I agree this is more of Nerve/pressure point application than anything else and can be damn painfu= l. It's also used in areas other than the wrist. Some of my training cohorts refer to Ray's above example as the claw. Also against a wrist grab they'= ll spread all five fingers out (let the ki folllow they say) anyhow this make= s the wrist expand slightly which makes it easier to break out of the grab. My 2=A2, Travis ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:57:47 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hawaii Digest members Would any digest members in Hawaii please contact me via private email. I am in need of some information that only someone with local contacts can provide. Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath billmcgrath@erols.com ------------------------------ From: Badger Jones Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:06:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: cutting meat Crafty wrote: "Back in the mid-80s when I was training with Paul Vunak and was his business partner we were preparing for the Panther videos and were talking. Paul was talking about a certain mindset that certain classical arts have of blocking and not realizing what it meant to really take a good slash to the arm, so I suggested getting a big piece of meat and showing them. "A couple of years later I heard that someone else, I don't know who, did the same thing-- whether this was an, ahem, sincere flattery or a coincidence I cannot say." I know that Makoto Kabayama does this with his students once a year or so. Kabayama is a Vunak student, so he comes by it honestly. The big sacrifice for him is that he's a vegetarian, so doesn't even get to enjoy the (*ahem*) cutlets afterwards. Badger Jones Sifu, Young Forest Kung Fu Club badger@cyberus.ca ------------------------------ From: watchdogg1@juno.com (watch dog) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:25:21 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Eskrima in Boise, Idaho Chris Kent is currently residing in Boise, Idaho and is available for kali/eskrima training. Although he is probably more well-known as a promoter of JKD, he is also a full-instructor in kali/eskrima under Inosanto and does teach it as part of his curriculum. You can contact him thru the JFJKD Nucleus website at www.jkd.com. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:13:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #9 ************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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