From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #12 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 11 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 012 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #11 eskrima: padded PVC no-no!! eskrima: Padded Sticks (fwd) eskrima: Wuzu quan: popular in filipines? eskrima: Padded sticks eskrima: Those "padded" sticks.... eskrima: Al Concepcion eskrima: Padded sticks eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Levy Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:49:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #11 Re: pvc-style padded sticks, shattering I have some experience in other milieus with various padded practice weapons. I have been taught that pvc-style padded weapons are only suitable for touch-style combat (also known as 'boffer weapon combat'). At high speeds and impacts, ordinary PVC can shatter, and as the length of the PVC increases to largo mano ranges, it begins to flex; multiplying force unpredictably. It also fragments, with sharp edges. I recall from the SCA their reasoning behind using rattan for their weapons. First, rattan usually bends before it breaks; second, rattan generally doesn't shatter or break off jagged pieces; and third, rattan splinters much less than other woods. This is a little different from ordinary reasoning (it's lighter). Finally, something I've learned from personal experience with padded weapons is that full contact is always full contact. I have a light rattan padded weapon, and I got a little excited during sparring and cracked someone's ribs with it. (They didn't realize they had a broken bone until they went to the doctor a month later after it wouldn't stop hurting.) I've heard other stories about people being knocked out with padded weapons. Padding is a nice training aid, especially for beginners like myself. But don't let it trick you into thinking you're safe. It's still a weapon, and no weapon will ever be truly 'safe' for 'full contact stickfighting.' - -Ron Levy ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Finder Date: 11 Jan 99 11:15:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: padded PVC no-no!! >My instructor just picked up those padded training sticks (they're a >PVC-type material, covered in foam padding). NEVER EVER USE PVC FOR STICKS!!! My guess is that if his padded sticks were made with PVC, they were not made by anyone who practices FMA. The padded sticks that I sell were designed by master Sonny Umpad, and will not shatter as you described. On the other hand, they were not really made for full contact (though trust me, they can raise a welt!) but for controlled technique training to target the hand safely, and for training quietly in an apartment without disturbing the neighbors. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org http://www.crl.com/~mjr/stickman.html "No one ever says "It's only a game" when their team is winning." Download Neoplanet at http://www.neoplanet.com - --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X1132681-X-X Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [25 lines deleted. Please do not send HTML to the list. Thanks.] - --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X1132681-X-X-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:55:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Padded Sticks (fwd) Forwarding. Sent to the wrong address. Ray - ---------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: From: "Byrne, Mary Lou" To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Padded Sticks Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:34:00 -0800 Mike wrote: >What is your take on those padded sticks? Do you think it's a good idea to >use them in initial full-contact fighting? Well, a couple of years ago after attending a Dog Brothers Gathering, my instructor and I (a couple of "padded up pillow fighters" who generally used padded sticks AND padded bodies for sparring) were inspired to go at it with padded sticks and no protective gear on our bodies. I'm here to tell you, those babies HURT!!! Not as much as unpadded rattan, but a lot!!! I had big ol' bruises that lasted for weeks. So my take is: it's a pretty realistic way to simulate real contact, but you need to proceed with caution if, like me, you need to get up and go to work the next morning. (I've also heard about the PVC shattering problem you describe, though I've never seen it happen.) Regards, Mary Lou "Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess." ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:19:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Wuzu quan: popular in filipines? I am intersted in hearing if anyone here takes or teaches or knows anyone that does the wuzu quan. A south china martial art combining the best of 5 martial systems. Including the southern red fist. One sees a lot of the southern red fist two man routines in fma. Ie: Hubad lubad. I was told its very common in the filipines. I would like to see more of this form. If anyone has any info public or private. Thanks in advance. Turiyan gold@ij.net :) ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:19:49 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Padded sticks Dont these sticks have caps to prevent shards from exiting the foam? Turiyan ------------------------------ From: Allen Eastwood Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:41:27 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Those "padded" sticks.... At 12:16 01/11/1999 , you wrote: >What is your take on those padded sticks? Do you think it's a good idea to >use them in initial full-contact fighting? Have you heard of this kind of >equipment failure, or did I just use a faulty piece? I was thinking that >the padded sticks would be a good, safe, way to introduce me to the format >of full-contact stickfighting, while minimizing injury (boy, was I >wrong).... I've done a pretty good round-robin of the different variations of sparring, padded stick, no body padding, rattan with lots of body padding, Real Contact Dog Bother's style, rattan with no padding, at a reduced intensity, etc. First off, padded sticks, IMNSHO, are NOT safe for full contact. For precisely the reason that they are not meant to withstand that sort of power. But, they can be of some use in a slower, reduced intensity, break someone in sort of training/sparring. And yes, I've broken a few myself. But the biggest problem I have with padding is that you tend to forget to respect what the stick can do to you. A good whack with a padded stick might leave a nice red streak (assuming it doesn't break and kill you), but a nice hard whap from rattan hurts. On the other hand, with rattan, you do not have to worry about equipment failure killing you, as rattan tends to fray rather than break into shards. But I think it takes feeling some of that pain to really understand that sticks are not toys and they can hurt. Just my un-lurking $0.02 worth. - -Allen http://rampages.onramp.net/~mixal Standard Disclaimer: As always typos and spelling mistakes are the works of the gremlins that live in the net and should in no way be attributed to the author of this message. ------------------------------ From: Dave Sheehy Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:17:17 PST Subject: eskrima: Al Concepcion I just heard that Al Concepcion was involved in a pretty serious car accident a week or so ago. Other than that I haven't heard much detail. Dave Sheehy ------------------------------ From: Paul Hopkins Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:25:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Padded sticks Mike Worth, You might try a pair of sticks from Mrs. Sulite. They are a thin rattan with a padded exterior. You can check out http://www.lamecoeskrima.com/ if you are interested. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:53:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #12 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.