From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #17 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 15 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 017 In this issue: eskrima: Re Katchas Katch Kan eskrima: yip eskrima: Re: responses to padded sticks eskrima: Re: padded sticks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #15 eskrima: sigs eskrima: padded sticks n stuff eskrima: Padding, Balance; Email problems Re: eskrima: Padding, Balance; Email problems eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:55:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re Katchas Katch Kan > Steve Wrote...... > > --- Rocky, there is a guy named Tony Cecchine who is promoting what he > > terms Catchwrestling, or Catch As Catch Can wrestling. Here is some info > > that might help you.. He's a very powerful grappler and he's a very nice > > guy. He also some an actual instructional tape coming out. Filming starts > > in Feb.. He currently has a tape of himself doing a seminar. Not the > > greatest production, but good information. I got the video this weekend > > and haven't finished it yet, but so far it's pretty good information..I > > got the following info from a web site that does martial arts video tape > > reviews... > > > > Company: Catch Wrestling > > Tape Name: Catch Wrestling Hooking Seminar > > Tape Cost: $29.00 (including shipping) > > Length of Tape: Approx. 2 hrs. > > Number of Moves/Techniques: Too many to count > > Return Policy: Unknown > > Experiences in dealing with this company: Excellent > > The Instructor: Tony Cecchine > > Company's Address: 622 N. Lincoln Ave. #206 Addison, Il 60101 USA > > Company's Phone Number: Unknown > > Web Page: http://members.tripod.com/~catchwrestling/index.htm > > E-mail: catchwrestling@hotmail.com > Thanks Steve , I am truly indebted to you, Awesome totally awesome web site, I will definitely order a tape. For those interested, check it out. I haven't seen the tape yet but if its, truly Katchas katch kan, you will see ground fighting in a totally different light. The UFC is so watered down that Hookers couldn't even use most of their art. Sorry I now everyone is BJJ nut now, and rightfully so they are great ground fighters, but until you've fought a true Hooker, well if you ever fought a Hooker it would be obvious because of your disfigurement. If this guy is legit, you can bet I will be hooking up with him. Katchas Katch Kan, is probably the only true American Martial arts, back 90 years ago these guys fought in carnivals and street shows all across America, even on the west coast the rare times that a Chinese stylist or western boxer would go against a Hooker it would almost always be the end of their career. The Jujitsu fighters back then didn't fair to well either. Hookers believe in destroying their Katch! A submission to them can be anything from a choke to eye gouging, ear pulling, cheek ripping, or happy roller crushing and or pulling, they are like pit bulls, with grappling. My father use to teach in this manner, when I was a kid, unfortunately I saw to many Bruce Lee movies as a kid and wanted to kick and punch only (which aggravated my father to no end ), now I wish I would had trained more with the old man ( life is short) , which is why I am looking for a good Ukrainian or katchas katch kan Hooker. I remember when asking my father about break falling one time, he laughed and said yeah make sure they break when they fall!! You grappling guys will love this ( if he's the real deal ) check it out. Rocky Pasiwk, Chief instructor Anciong Bacon's Balintawak Founder Cuentada DeMano ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:29:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: yip Yip: Yeah, that was my thumb. 10 seconds into our very first fight, Salty caught me with an uppercut. On alternate sticks: A guy came to a seminar Top and I did in Texas who used to use curtain rods with his brother , , , , Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:02:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: responses to padded sticks your responses remind me of a saying....if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen......first off as already pointed out, padded tools lead to sloppy habits....it also gives way to thinkning that "oh, it is padded, i can take a hit"......doesn't anyone remember that you fight the way you train?.......secondly, you know full well that you are engaging in a potentially dangerous activity......if you dont want to get hurt, find another activity......like maybe tiddlywinks, just don't get one in your eye....then it would no longer be a game anymore.....of course i guess common sense is not something that we as a community possess.....otherwise we should realize that we should progress in intensity according to our competency......as far as so- called safety equipmentone only needs to bear in mind the 'child-proof' caps and indestructible toys we buy for our children....they are all oxymorons.......one of the things that i noticed that was different about fma from the other 'traditional' arts, is that with the others, there is the tendency to think 'so what?..i can take this hit'.....why??....because we remember from our school days and maybe some that are a bit more recent, that we can take a punch or a kick without the world stopping.....not always, but usually......the sticks and other implements are a reminder that there are some things tougher and stronger than our human bodies....enjoy......leighan ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:13:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: padded sticks as a note to my resonse, those reasons are probably why we use armor in the sca......we can practice full contact with a measure of safety without having to worry about what happens if our weapons break......of course meatal armor can be heavy and clunky, but hey, now you can work on your endurance,strength and technique at the same time.....of course if you want speed, we have also been known to make armor out of plastic pickle buckets, carpet(or closed cell foam padding), and canvas or leather.......add a 14 gauge cold rolled steel helmet with a face guard and you have a set of armor to beat each other's brains about with far less worry about injury and loss of life......leighan ------------------------------ From: jmfrankl Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 21:46:08 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #15 >The purpose of study martial arts is to enjoy yourself and learn the >ability to defend yourself . . if you cannot hold or swing a weapon >due to broken or nicked bones, or can=27t move due to torn knees during >your training =AF you will certainly be at a disadvantage when having to >actually defend yourself.=20 Well said. There is a delicate balance between hard training and injury. Boxers choose their sparring partners very carefully and when sparring wear more protective gear than in an actual fight; Thai fighters never use the elbow when sparring, even in slow motion, due to the high probability of suffering a cut. Yet both groups do just fine when it is time to let fly. I am not for padding up like a stormtrooper either, that's why I said "delicate" balance, but the old boxing addage "Don't leave your fight in the gym." definitely has relevance for all martial artists. John ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:04:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: sigs Folks, please remember to add your e-mail address to your sigs (signature) in case someone wishes to e-mail you directly. We will hopefully have the e-mail header bug fixed sometime in the future, but until then please follow my lead... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:18:20 +0000 Subject: eskrima: padded sticks n stuff leighan: >why do we need padded sticks?....are we afraid of getting hurt while >practicing an art based on blades?.....if so, take up tkd or >something that is non weapon oriented.....the purpose of training with unpadded >weapons is to instill the mindset of avoidance.....you know they hurt when they >hit, so dont get hit......leighan Beginning students sometimes don't have enough control, but would like to practice full-power, full-speed (though not always recommended)...padded sticks (padded any weapon) help prevent the unnecessary lowering of attendance due to death or permanent injury... You do bring up an interesting point, though...using any kind of protection/shielding may alter (or distort) one's mindset or approach toward engaging opponents... However, if you DO practice Arnis/FMA's WITHOUT ARMOR/WITH LIVE STICKS (old style) at least try to protect your: 1)eyes 2)thoat 3)groin...and keep it up, for they say you can learn much from this type of training... Jeff Allen wrote: >Should the Filipino arts be practice with live blades rather than >rattan sticks? Blades hurt when the hit you...and might cripple >you.=20 >We are probably not training hard enough when we use sticks instead of >live blades. This depends on your style/school...not all styles have techniques which are 100% compatible with the edged weapon...please remember that there are FMA's whose "inventory of techniques" are more "stick-based" (evolved into arts that take advantage of the properties of the stick) than "blade-based"... Medicineman Mik wrote: >Easy to get unnecessary scars and/or other damage As opposed to necessary scars and/or other damage? :) Ray Terry (Grand Poobah) wrote: >Never forget that life is short Amen! Jeff Stickman wrote: >he found some old jujitsu manuals, kewl...the oldest stuff I ever got my hands on are the (original) WWII US Army Jujitsu manuals from my grandpa... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:59:18 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Padding, Balance; Email problems Allen, Sorry, I read my email only at work so I don't have the actual thickness of the insulation to use. Anyway, the standard foam pipe insulation that you can purchase at Home Depot is the one Gat Puno Abon uses. IMO, balance is not the problem of the padded rattan stick it's the aerodynamics. Due to the padding, the larger light circumference slows down the speed of the stick. Email problems? please note that eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com may not be valid. I had trouble too using this address. eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com seems to work fine. Sorry, Mr. Terry if I'm invading your territory. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Padding, Balance; Email problems > Email problems? please note that eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com may not > be valid. I had trouble too using this address. eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > seems to work fine. Sorry, Mr. Terry if I'm invading your territory. eskrima-digest is just an alias on my system that resolves to eskrima. So either will work. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:29:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #17 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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