From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #21 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 17 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 021 In this issue: eskrima: The Beginner's Essentials eskrima: Hooker fu eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #20 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #20 eskrima: KALI SEMINAR INFORMATION (fwd) eskrima: Founder of Shooto eskrima: Hock Hochheim eskrima: Rattan Stick Making Info eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rudolf Kimbel (100432.650@compuserve.com)" <100432.650@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:11:36 -0500 Subject: eskrima: The Beginner's Essentials to:INTERNET:eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >I what you consider a novice in the world of FMA. >I was wondering if there were any essential materials a person >studying FMA should have. >whether its training equipment, books, videos >other than a pair of sticks. >Thanks >Gar All you really need is a good teacher and the will to do your training on a regular basis. Use the same sticks and clothes the other students are using. As a beginner, if you watch videos and do your own training you'll only be training wrong moves that your teacher must later correct. After a year or so of training, you will start understanding your own system enough and can then see what the others are doing. Then, books and videos make sense. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:50:38 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hooker fu Shouldnt it be 'snatch as snatch' can? Guffaw. Sorry. Tien yi gold@ij.net ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:00:36 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #20 > pain from using a > sloppy technique or the wrong one becomes the motivator to do it > correctly > But that pain may be totally unnecessary friend. A good instructor does not have to hurt you to guide you to better perfomance. Also, I've seen a few who will put themselves through the sam epains repeatedly without learning a lesson, only to ask why? Different strokes for different folks. For my child I'd prefer an instructor with the combat attitude of train the brain first so that fewer lessons will require the painful and perhaps crippling lessons of trial and error (learn from the mistakes of others). To repeatedly take a test and experience the pain of failure is not as sure a road as taking the test after good tutelage by a good sergeant who wants us to survive. Pain is inevitable ... we don't have to court it while trying to learn to decrease it. > ......it does not benefit anyone to be afraid of the consequences of > their actions.... > We'd have a better society if some people learned to be afraid of the consequences of their actions, e.g., there might be fewer imprisoned people. Hey, how about learning in ways that promote the expectation of good outcomes as a consequence of our actions, i.e., learn what to do, when to do it, and why it should be unfailingly done. Positive path instead of a negative one. I once had an instructor who always said "Pain is the best teacher." he came close to knocking me out a few times ... one day in particular I thought I was a goner, coulda killed me (outweighed me by at least 40 pounds). I'll never forget the -first time- I stood over him as he cowered on the floor ... What he taught me was to finish him as quickly as I could to decrease the likelihood of what I feared he could do ... the fear transitioned into hot anger ... he could have gotten himself killed for treating the wrong person that way. What I learned most from him was that I would never treat a student the way that he treated students during fighting. Pain is not the best teacher. A good teacher is a good helper. My oldest sibling who was like a father to me once taught me: "You can't help a person by hurting them." > if you are not doing it for the right reason, you should not > be doing it in the first place.... > What's the easiest way to learn the right reason to do something? Surely not by suffering a senseless and preventable injury. Maybe learning the what, when and why will promote doing things for the right reason in the first place ;-) Worht thinking about IMHO. > victory results from total commitment to > your action...total commitment, without fear. > I'd think a little more on this one ... victory may require more than total commitment sans fear ... like superior preparation/strategy/etc. Fear is actually be the motivating force behind victory. Without fear, we have no motivation. Semantics, eh? If we had no fear we could not fight. Fear is a VGT, it's inordinate fear or fear without transition into resolution of the cause for the fear that messes us up. Experiencing the motivation of fear is different from experiencing the paralyzing effect of being afraid. One of the reasons the teacher that I mentioned above behaved in the way that he did was because he had no fear of the people he trained ... might be related to he had no respect for the same. A good general would probably respect his adversary, fear his adversary's ability to overcome him on the battlefield. As a result he would make preparations for what his intellignce about his adversary would suggest, yes? No fear of / No respect for his adversay would lead to his easy defeat ... Custer action. BTW, don't worry about people responding to your thoughts compadre ... we're just bouncing off each other here so we cam learn how better to roll through the school of hard knocks :-) Respectfully... Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Carl Fung" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:30:45 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #20 >From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" >Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:36:50 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #16 > >Carl are you a students of Guy's at his Boston school or are you a former >student from NH? He's my instructor (I live in Oakland) but I've never met >you before. >Yori Nakamura (The inventor of Shoot) is "The Great" Carl Gotch's Nephew. >Jeff Monaghan Jeff, Guy is a personal friend of mine and occasional fishing buddy. In fact I am waiting for an opertune time to see him and striper fish. I have not seen Guy in perhaps 3 years. Guy trained with Sifu Inosanto and Guro Suwanda where I met him through my primary training partner and old JKD class guy (where we both trained at the Filipino Kali Academy in the mid 70's) Jeff Chun. When BJJ was getting big here in SoCal Guy was well into his training with The Great One (Gotch). As a favor Guy showed us the rudiments of what we later started calling Gotchisms and Gotch Submission Wrestling. I'm not sure what Guy is calling it now except the last green shirts he made had Gotchisms I think under multicultural martial arts? Since Guy was in S.F. I started learning what I could from Eric Paulson who is an awesome tricky fighter who trained with at least Guro Inosanto and Yori. EP holds I think the light heavy shooto title in Japan twice defended. The shooto seemed the same as the Gotch but with Japaneese names for position 1 etc... The gotch as Guy teaches it is very tight no space like a python trying to squeeze the life out of you. I have not felt the energy of any Shooto person with Guy's level of crushing efficiency. I know Yori pretty well he is a really nice guy, but I have never trained under him. As to the "inventor of shoot" I think that was really from Sayama via mexico then Gotch then japan or something like that. I do not know the relation between Yori and Sayama. I thought Yori was a past champion or something. Guy told me the story I forget. I train actively to this day but train grappling sporatically and my grappling sucks relative to my other skills. I learn more each day but there are simply not enough days to learn all there is in grappling. Say hi to Guy for me and maybe you can e-mail me a current number for him. I am not sure if I still have it through a few computer crashes I have recently had. carl ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:35:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: KALI SEMINAR INFORMATION (fwd) Forwarded message: From DavEver5@aol.com Sat Jan 16 19:56:22 1999 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:46:30 EST Subject: KALI SEMINAR INFORMATION Tuhon William McGrath will teach an all-day Pekiti Tirsia Kali Knife Seminar for White Lotus Martial Arts. SUBJECT: Empty Hand vs. Knife & Knife vs. Knife WHERE: West Hartford, CT WHEN: Saturday, January 23rd, 11-7 CONTACT: Sifu Mike Fuchs at 860-232-0109 Thankyou for Forwarding or Posting, David J. Everett, Headmaster ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:27:04 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Founder of Shooto Greetings, Last issue Jefferey wrote: < Yori Nakamura (The inventor of Shoot) is "The Great" Carl Gotch's Nephew. Jeff Monaghan>> According to Yori's book on the subject of Shooto, Satoru Sayama is the founder of Shooto. I dodn't aknow about the nephew part. What is the familial tie? Tom Meadows tmeadows@fix. net ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:33:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hock Hochheim Greetings, I just got a copy of the "Knife fighting's Ten Deadly Sins" by Hock Hochheim and I thought it was just fine. He didn't mention a single instructor by name which pretty thoroughly eliminates the "cheap shots" that several people alluded to. And I didn't find a single invalid point in the piece. Furthermore, had I written it, I would have made a lot more radical statements than he did in some areas, particularly about how some of the Filipinos teach the arts. Well, enough about me... Tom Meadows tmeadows@fix.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:13:54 EST Subject: eskrima: Rattan Stick Making Info Get your raw rattan from these two companies: Bamboo & Rattan Works, Inc.(based in NJ) http://www.weavenet.com/brw.html Frank's Cane & Rush Supply(based in CA) http://www.franksupply.com/bamboo.html Both of these companies will cut their poles, which come in 9' to 10' lengths, to what ever size you prefer. They also sell the poles in different diameters. I like sticks that are 26" or 28" long, with a diameter of 1 1/4" to 1 3/8". Buy the rattan poles with the skin still(sanded rattan isn't as strong as rattan that has it's outer skin on). Learn how to prepare and harden the raw rattan from Jeff Finder's website: http://www.crl.com/~mjr/stickman.html These are the items that I've needed to prepare and harden rattan: - - A kitchen oven - - Safety goggles - - 2 Oven mitts - - Dremel Multi tool - - Disposable dust masks(3M makes good ones) - - 1" Duct tape(or Electrician's tape) for taping nodes and/or ends after sticks are finished(I prefer black 1" military duct tape from U.S. Cavalry: www.uscav.com) _____________________ Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #21 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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