From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 022 In this issue: eskrima: Re: working out alone eskrima: Catch,Shoot, grappling in general eskrima: Pain and learning eskrima: My , , , nose eskrima: Full Contact Magazine eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #21 eskrima: cutting edge you say? eskrima: Remy Presas Seminar in Ohio eskrima: Silat seminar March 20-21, Portland, OR eskrima: rattan treatments eskrima: choking eskrima: Ok eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gte/tireboy" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:57:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: working out alone <> Howdy, Because of my work schedule, I have to train almost exclusively by myself. I tend to start out by just going through all my defenses for a specific angle one at a time at empty air several times slowly speeding up each time. Then, I'll do lock&block against an imaginary opponent for a while. During the winter, thats about all I can do without going outside and freezing my butt off in the woods. For practicing at home, I guess that Mark Wiley would put a stick between some books on a bookshelf to practice what Angel Cabales taught him (heard this from more than just him). Otherwise, during nicer weather or when I don't mind getting a bit cold, I'll go out to a park or preferably a woods (I don't like having an audience when I'm looking bad, vanity I suppose) and practice. I will do this either during the day, evening, or night for the different light. I'll do the same things I do at home but against a tree branch. I'll also practice swinging hard against a deadfall to work power. One nice thing about practicing outside is that you get to work on uneven ground. You won't normally get attacked on a nice, even, well lit floor. There is a picture in Dan Inosanto's book on FMA that shows several guys practicing in a shallow stream. I gave it a try one day. Its a great workout. Water trying to move you whenever you take a step. Loose pebbles and silt lousing up your balance. Good luck and I hope this helps. Eric Hargett ------------------------------ From: "Anthony Dawdy" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:18:03 PST Subject: eskrima: Catch,Shoot, grappling in general Has anyone on the list seen or trained in Dr. Gyi's Naban, which is the grappling portion of Bando. I have only had the pleasure of going to a two day seminar with Dr. Gyi once, but I was very impressed. He was friendly, and took any requests I had that I wanted to learn and was at least able to demonstrate if not teach us all. He said we did not have the facilities, space & mats, to do any Naban, but told us a little about it, and I even have a seveal page info/insructional booklet that I was given about Naban. I have not done a lot of grappling, even though I will when given the chance, all experience is good. I am still looking for a full time teacher for that aspect of my training. If anyone has info or trains in Bando or especially Naban, I would apprieciate it. Thank you. Paul :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:28:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Pain and learning There is a world of difference between pain and injury. Most of us doing MA are prepared to put up with pain by definition. There is nothing like a bit of pain to learn more quickly. One can keep telling a sudent to keep the hands up, but the quickest way to achieve this is a quick tap on the snout. No need to break it, though! Injuries that put one out of training let alone work are surely undesirable for 95% practitioners. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:11:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: My , , , nose A Howl of Greeting to All: Opinions are like , , , noses; everyone has one. Herewith mine on a couple of matters First, Gar asked: > >I am what you consider a novice in the world of FMA. > >I was wondering if there were any essential materials a person > >studying FMA should have. > >whether its training equipment, books, videos > >other than a pair of sticks. and someone responded: > All you really need is a good teacher and the will to do > your training on a regular basis. Use the same sticks > and clothes the other students are using. > > As a beginner, if you watch videos and do your own training > you'll only be training wrong moves that your teacher must > later correct. > > After a year or so of training, you will start understanding > your own system enough and can then see what the others are > doing. Then, books and videos make sense. My thought: START! Get anything and everything you can! 1) Sticks of different sizes, rubber knives, aluminum knives, real knives 2) things to hit (a hanging tire is a popular one) 3) hand and forearm protectors-- Lameco Eskrima International has some GREAT ones-- see their webpage at: 4) books: Dan Inosanto: The Filipino Martial Arts 5) videos: Well, no surprise here, I think the Dog Brothers videos are pretty good- go to the catalog page at: www.dogbrothers.com The Punong Guro Edgar Sulite's Lameco videos have some nice stroking patterns in "Essential Single Stick" "Essential Double Stick". Steve "Mr. Peabody" Grody's videos give an excellent overview and explanation of FMA for beginners and intermediates in my opinion. Of course these are only a few of many fine and not-so-fine videos out there. 6) Oh yeah-- Try sparring/fighting with people who have the sense not to tear you up. > ......it does not benefit anyone to be afraid of the consequences of > their actions.... Mik already had at this one, but I gotta say that in my opinion rarely have I seen so wrongheaded a thought. Its like leaving your career, your relationship with your family, and the dignity and effectiveness of the Presidency of the United States of America in the hands of a 21 year old girl (an unsatisfied girl at that!) trusting that she will keep her mouth shut and then blaming everyone else when she blabs. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: If Bill had listened to Hillary, he would have had Ted Kennedy drive her home. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:15:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Full Contact Magazine Does anyone know if Full Contact Magazine still being published? If so, please can you send me subscription information. Thanks, Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:08:16 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #21 I'm wrong about the inventor of Shooto. I confused Yori Nakamura with Sayama. Before I say anymore I will talk to Guy. As far as the Wrestling Guy calls it Gotch Submission or Gotch All-In-Wrestling. My perception of it is that you learn to apply locks, etc in any position and while in transition from position to position. It stresses being comfortable applying the locks even while upside down doing a head stand. Guy is taking easy on us, but the conditioning is still gruesome. We do a lot of sensitivity and flow drills. I've never seen a wrestling system like this. It is just as Carl describes of a sudden you're in this lock or choke that just crushes the hell out you. I am very impressed by the system and Guy's knowledge of wrestling. Being from a wrestling state (Iowa) we're a majority of boys start to wrestle at 8 or 9 years old until college (U of Iowa #1 for over 10 years, Iowa State top 3, and formerly Drake U before the recruiting scandal several years ago). Most of the time you got into a brawl you found you're self getting wrestling down by some big thick headed farm boy so you better know your ground fighting. Jeff Monaghan ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 03:13:38 +0000 Subject: eskrima: cutting edge you say? Herr jmfrankl wrote: >You can bet that at some point in the Philippines, and >all over the world, the so-called traditionalists clung to their bronze >weapons as superior. Unfortunately for them there were also some >iconoclastic upstarts who decided to try iron. As far as I can recall (and I was there that day), the traditionalists were clinging to their "Fred Flintstone" clubs and the "cutting edge" guys were trying to convince everyone that bronze was the way to go. And to those geeks who insisted that "iron" was the "next big thing" (yeah, right): dream on... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Daniel McConnell Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:30:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Remy Presas Seminar in Ohio Modern Arnis of Ohio will host Remy Presas on Saturday April 17 1999 from 11:00 - 3:00 at Britton Elementary School 4501 Britton rd. in Hilliard Ohio. For further info. you can e-mail me at dmmhsmc@ohaflcio.org Thanx, Daniel McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:47:07 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Silat seminar March 20-21, Portland, OR March 20-21 Guru Steve Plinck and Guru Cass Magda will be having a two day workshop on Pencak Silat in Portland, Oregon. Cass Magda is a full instructor under Guro Inosanto and has studied the Southeast Asian arts extensively. Video buffs in the group may know him as the villain and fight choreographer for "Hawk's Vengeance". Steve Plinck is a long-time student of Pendekar Paul de Thouars and one of about three to finish the Serak curriculum. The seminar will cover Indonesian Pencak Silat, particularly the Sera style, including such topics as striking combinations, footwork, djurus, stand up grappling, throws, groundwork, and the use of and defense against traditional weapons like the knife. Cost will be $70 for one day, $100 for both with discounts for people who bring family members, groups of students from the same school, and a special price for chief instructors of a school. I'm being a little vague about the address because we just learned that the University we were going to have it in wants $50/hour for rental and proof of a $1 million liability policy. We're in the process of getting a new space. [Note to Ray: Would it be acceptable for me to announce this seminar once again in early February and once in March?] Todd ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:56:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: rattan treatments >Buy the rattan poles with the skin still(sanded rattan isn't as strong as >rattan that has it's outer skin on). Learn how to prepare and harden the >raw rattan from Jeff Finder's website: http://www.crl.com/~mjr/stickman.html These are the items that I've needed to prepare and harden rattan: - - - A kitchen oven - - - Safety goggles - - - 2 Oven mitts - - - Dremel Multi tool - - - Disposable dust masks(3M makes good ones) - - - 1" Duct tape(or Electrician's tape) for taping nodes and/or ends I don't care for the dremel in this application. Easier to use than that or a disk sander is to get a disk sander to use in a 1/4" electric drill that is fixed in place (bench mate or vise). Use medium grit paper, about 240. This setup lets you angle the stick to get the nodes, better than a disk sander machine, and gets more surface with less risk of grinding too deeply compared to the dremel. Much better to hold the stick to a fixed object than vice versa. I also use a propane torch to bring oils to the surface of the stick before baking. Done right, it makes a nice pattern. Don't burn the stick (those little pop marks we've seen on the commercial sticks show too much heat). Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:20:18 -0600 Subject: eskrima: choking It was mentioned a few times that certain persons could not be choked out. Sounds like that would be a useful ability in certain situations. Any idea how to train something like that? Regards, Glenn Glenn_A._Hecko@oxy.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Ok > [Note to Ray: Would it be acceptable for me to announce this seminar > once again in early February and once in March?] Sure. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.