From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 023 In this issue: eskrima: Methods for Toughening My Palms eskrima: Re: Rattan Treatments eskrima: Re: Thesz and Gotch eskrima: Knife Disarming Experience eskrima: Choking eskrima: Tom Clancy and FMA/Indonesian Silat eskrima: fear eskrima: Re: Full Contact Magazine eskrima: Re: MARDIS GRAS MARTIAL ARTS CAMP 1999 Re: eskrima: Black Sphinx Karate eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:23:48 EST Subject: eskrima: Methods for Toughening My Palms Does anyone here have any suggestions on methods that I can use to toughen the palms of my hands? After a while of doing stick drills, my hands start to get sore. I even developed two blisters. I figured someone here has a solution to this problem. Thanks in advance, Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:23:49 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Rattan Treatments >I don't care for the dremel in this application. Easier to use than that >or a disk sander is to get a disk sander to use in a 1/4" electric drill >that is fixed in place (bench mate or vise). Use medium grit paper, about >240. This setup lets you angle the stick to get the nodes, better than a >disk sander machine, and gets more surface with less risk of grinding too >deeply compared to the dremel. I stand corrected. Thanks for the additional info, Mr. Finder. By the way, I can't wait until I receive your composite sticks! :-) ________________ Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:07:48 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Thesz and Gotch Mr. Terry, You were asking about Lou Thesz's comments on Frank Gotch. I have had the pleasure of meeting and corresponding with Mr. Thesz and your memory is just a little off. What he has said in his autobiography and in a lecture I was at was that Gotch was a great wrestler and was the most important figure in popularizing wrestling to the general public (Gotch was THE most famous athlete in America from 1908 -1912, bar none), but that he was not the BEST wrestler ever. Thesz puts up Ed Lewis, Farmer Burns, or maybe Ad Santell. Also, Thesz is very careful about talking about people he never met. His opinion's are based on his own experiences, not other people's heresy (wow, there is an amazing concept in the martial arts world). Also, Karl Gotch (no relation to Frank) never wrestled any of the Gracie's. He did live in Brazil for a couple of years in the mid 60's, and tried to wrestle anyone from Carlson's school but they refused to get on the mat with him. He did wrestle and beat the great Kimura (he made Kimura tap a couple of times). This was one of the reasons Gotch first became well known in Japan (I think this was in the late 50's or very early 60's). Re: Nakamura & Sayama : Sayama isn't Gotch's son-in-law. A guy named Sorami Sakanura is/was. He helped form the original shootfighting group in Japan, UWF around 1985 with Sayama, Akira Maeda, and Yoshiaki Fujiwara. He was living in Florida but died about 4 years ago. And, speaking from personal experience, Tony Cecchine is the real deal. Get on the mat with him once and you will be a believer. Unlike most submission grapplers nowadays who have a core of BJJ, Tony moves differently from every BJJer out there. Check it out if you can. Cecil Burch "A man has only lost when he admits it to himself" Hans Ulrich Rudel ------------------------------ From: Joe Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:34:23 +0900 Subject: eskrima: Knife Disarming Experience I just returned today from what I thought was a great training experience. I don't know if this will help anyone or not - I'm not tooting my own horn; I'm honestly looking for more training ideas. Anyway on with the experience. I went to America to do a few seminars and for some personal training. I did a lot of stick sparring (not that much knife sparring though). My self and my training partner got on the subject of close quarter knifefighting and knife disarming after we were working a knife tapping drill. We both teach Aikido as well as practice JKDC ( I also do Shooto & BJJ here in Japan and he is learning Sambo ) - We were discussing the validity of the training methods of each art. Out came the motorcycle helmet.... We decided that we would start each simulated altercation from just inside of punching range. Attacker with the training blade, and helmet - other dude with only eye protection. This lasted quite a while - but we learned a lot. The objective was to disarm that attacker if possible, and to see what disarms came up the most frequently if at all. Stage 1 Attacker could slash or thrust at any angle as many times as he wanted. Could not punch or kick. Stage 2 Attacker could slash or thrust at any angle as many times as he wanted. Attacker also wore a boxing glove on rear hand and was allowed to punch. Stage 3 All out. Notes from the training: Knife or Stick vs. Empty Hand in Close Quarter (Use the Helmet) * Control weapon arm - No brainer * Keep weapon away from opponent's other hand by use of position, manipulating your opponent's body, checking, sweeping, and striking * Joint Locks/Manipulation, and Sweeping works!!!!!!!!!!!!! * Disarms work!!!!!!!!!! * Get in opponent's face with your hand and really off-balance him * You must make him user friendly!!!!!!!!!! - You have to work that guy over * Armpit control worked * Aikido Tenkan (spinning movement) worked This lasted for a few hours and several variations to the rules and tactics to be used came out of it. We know that you have to be very aggressive, you must make you opponent what we like to call "user friendly", joint & body manipulation (such as Dumog, wrenches, etc...), Aikido Tenkan (spinning) motion really worked to create the opportunity for joint locks really well. We both cam to the conclusion that the Dikit drills from Ron Baliki's tapes are excellent for getting a person familiar with disarming from different reference points. We waited until we could do all of disarms and drills on both right and left side before attempting this. Ron's tapes have some good stuff. A few hours later this turn into groundfighting. Notes: Grappling against a Blade Can be very different then regular grappling Attach yourself to the knife bearing arm at all costs (distance is the enemy) Immobilize the knife and keep it away form opponent's other hand Armpit trap worked If you have control of the weapon bearing arm - look for a reversal to the top position A lot of the information from the Ron Baliki Defensive edge series was great in terms of giving us some fun disarming drills to practice. The one area that I have to disagree with the tapes is in the knife groundfighting section of tape 3 which shows Diana Inosanto in what we call the Russian guard (half guard position - on your back with your right shin across your opponent's waist and your left foot hooked under your opponent's leg) - I personally found that I wanted to attach myself to weapon bearing arm as much as possible. I had total disregard for position - I didn't favor the guard or half guard because it had a tendency to create distance (which I felt very uncomfortable with against the blade). Now for the record - I am not a professional grappler - I understand that Guru Baliki has had a few Shooto fights here in Japan, and I've seen a tape of him in one Sifu Yori's Shooto classes. Bottom line is - I know he can grapple. Maybe my usage of the position was bad. I don't know - I'm going to email him and ask him about it. Notes on Grappling against a Stick Not as bad - It's just grappling Emphasize controlling the weapon with every part of your body Look to pin the weapon to the ground, yourself, or your opponent with any part of your body. Lay on weapon if possible. If you find yourself in one of the different types of guard positions look grab your opponent's wrist, or check his biceps with your foot or knee Look to use the guard (open guard especially) - look for reversals Thanks to my training partner looking at the Dog Brother article in Martial Arts Illustrated I got 2 hand thrusted with the stick. Found that to be quite effective if you've got the stick. In both of the above cases (knife & stick) disarming is possible and in many cases probable. - ----- I'm not an expert - I'm just a guy searching for the truth. Please send your training ideas and experiences to me or post them on the Progressive Martial Arts Community Discussion section. If you know of a better way to train this type of stuff or have tips and notes of your own - please send them to me. I just want to improve. If you don't have them then you better get Ron Baliki's Defensive Edge tapes. All 3 of them are great. Joe McCray Come in and take a free look at the Progressive Martial Arts Community Online: http://mycomm.excite.com/mycomm/browse.asp?cid=.gJWmHPLR1FF Joe McCray Head Instructor Progressive Martial Arts Fussa-Shi Tokyo, Japan ------------------------------ From: "Grantham, Stephen" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:37:51 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Choking Glenn said: It was mentioned a few times that certain persons could not be choked out. Sounds like that would be a useful ability in certain situations. Any idea how to train something like that? - ---- Glenn, on the tape I saw of Tony Cecchine's Catch Wrestling seminar, he mentions training with your head hanging off of a bench, with a weight on your forehead. I don't know how good this is for the neck, but he does demonstrate a very strong throat by having someone at the seminar stand on his throat will all his weight.. He mentions Farmer Burns, and old catch wrestler from the late 1800's who weight approx 175 lbs had a 20 inch neck and could take a 6 foot hangman's drop.. Steve sgrantham@microage.com ------------------------------ From: Manny Gonzales Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Tom Clancy and FMA/Indonesian Silat Hello everyone. I just picked up a copy of Tom Clancy's new book titled "NetForce". He makes a lot of references to Escrima and Indonesian Silat. check out Chapter 4 and parts of Chapter 15. There is also a really good knife fighting scene in the book. from UC Irvine, Manny Manuel T. Gonzales | mango@uci.edu | www.gsm.uci.edu/~mango | ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:50:23 +0100 Subject: eskrima: fear In regards to "fear" and its effect during a fight: Following is a quote from Oscar De La Hoya, which appeared in "Parade" on 3.30.97. "I learned long ago to live with fear -- controlled fear. Anxiety, panic or outright fright, that's fear out of control... Inside a ring, I'm afraid but I'm NOT scared. If I get very scared, then I'll lose, because I won't know what I'm doing. One must have fear -- but once inside the ropes, one had better control it. It's as if something else just takes over. I'm not embaressed to have fear. But I'd be out of my mind to let it get the best of me." food for thought, chris h. citrus7@erols.com student: Executive Edge Martial Development ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:43:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Full Contact Magazine > still being published? Full Contact went the way of all flesh several years ago. ------------------------------ From: Ron Harris Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:55:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: MARDIS GRAS MARTIAL ARTS CAMP 1999 > From: > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:57:48 EST > Subject: eskrima: Re:MARDIS GRAS MARTIAL ARTS CAMP 1999 > INSTRUCTORS > John C. Clements, Historical Western Swordsmanship etc.>>RHarris > > Is this the second camp in which Mr. Clements been involved in? Thanks. > - --Rafael-- Rafael, John has done some seminars and demonstrations around Texas. I know he goes to renaissance fairs and such. My understanding is that this is the first camp John Clements has been involved in. Try for more information. John will be showing the long sword, which is also practiced with wooden weapons. Ron _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ron Harris Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:00:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Black Sphinx Karate > From: > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:45:44 EST > Subject: eskrima: Black Sphinx Karate > > I noticed in the seminar listings for the big Lousiana Bash, Black Sphinx > Karate. > What the heck is that???--------Tom Furman...aka....tcsno@aol.com Tom, Black Sphinx Karate is a style from the Philippines. Guro Dan Medina learned it there, while in the Navy. Ron _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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