From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #24 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 19 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 024 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Thesz and Gotch eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 eskrima: De La Hoya eskrima: Re: Knife Disarming Experience eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 eskrima: Hooking and all that Jazz! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 RE: eskrima: Catch,Shoot, grappling in general eskrima: Catchascatchcan eskrima: Re: Gotch/Kimura eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:13:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Thesz and Gotch > You were asking about Lou Thesz's comments on Frank Gotch. I have had the > pleasure of meeting and corresponding with Mr. Thesz and your memory is just a > little off. What he has said in his autobiography and in a lecture I was at... Ok, thanks. But it sounds like you're not referring to the televised interview, w/Lou, yes? It was on within the last couple of weeks. I can't recall now whose involvement he was downplaying if it wasn't FG. Anyone else catch that interview? Do you have the publisher or ISBN for Lou's autobio? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:56:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 Greetings to all Regarding previous post asking about Bob Dubljanin. Bob is an instructor under Guru Cass Magda. He has a school in Mannheim Germany. He is an excellent teacher. Also, Guru Cass Magda will be conducting a seminar in Cleveland Ohio Jan 30-31. He will be covering various aspects of JFJKD, Kali-Escrima, and Pentjak Silat. Contact Chris Hoy-(216)398-5254 or (440)886-2766 for details etc. Thanks Magda Institute of Martial Arts. ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:02:12 -0600 Subject: eskrima: De La Hoya > I'm afraid but I'm NOT scared. If I get very scared, then I'll lose, > because I won't know what I'm doing. One must have fear -- but once > inside the ropes, one had better control it. > Exactly what I was getting at. In the trained/able individual, struggle-related fear yields determination to succeed. Fear of losing is cousin to burning desire to win. How we "look at" a situation determines which way the emotional and behavioral tide will go. De La Hoya is right on the money and has plenty of experience to back it up. Fear is a VGT. It says, "Hey! ... there's SOMEthing that YOU - -REALLY- NEED TO DO, like, NOW!" Then we have to access and implement a plan ... which might amount to "FIND the nearest EXIT!" :-) or some other appropriate and hopefully well-practiced "coping" strategies. Serve'em sumthin', eh? Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:04:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife Disarming Experience Hi John, I have to be honest with you, My ground training consists of much more than what I put on the tapes. Whenever I grapple with the knife I still take a large percentage of cuts, I have brought my percentage down a lot using some of those techniques, but as you know it's hard on the ground when there is someone intent on getting the cut. To me the knife is the hardest part of martial arts. The ground material on the tapes are from Guro Inosanto, I am sure he performs them better than I do. The half guard that we used on the ground is not full proof but I feel it has value. I have used some of the techniques successfully from that position, some have failed me, or the way that I look at it, I failed them. Try some of the techniques from that position on someone who has never seen the tapes and see how it comes out. Use what you can and discard the rest. It sounds to me like you have a great training program going. I think your right about sticking to the knife arm, especially when your on the ground. Train hard and stay safe Ron Balicki ------------------------------ From: "Carl Fung" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:29:17 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #22 <> I have never seen a person who could not be choked out. There are many who are hard to choke out but part of the problem is knowing "how" to choke different people out and being able to flow into another choke like ones does a lock flow. Before BJJ and groundfighting I "knew" how to choke people out. Then I "learned" how to choke people out. Now I "think" I know how to choke people out. carl ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:50:17 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 In a message dated 1/18/99 9:08:45 PM, you wrote: < for more information. John will be showing the long sword, which is also practiced with wooden weapons. Ron>> Thanks for the information, Ron. Please let us know how the interaction with the FMAs goes with Mr. Clements. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:14:07 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 In a message dated 99-01-18 21:09:17 EST, you write: << I just picked up a copy of Tom Clancy's new book titled "NetForce". He makes a lot of references to Escrima and Indonesian Silat. check out Chapter 4 and parts of Chapter 15. There is also a really good knife fighting scene in the book. >> Yeah, Steve Plink's video is also described. For those of you who missed the announcement about his upcoming seminar, I'd like to point out that Steve Plink is undoubtly the most competent hand to hand fighters I have ever met in my life. If you get a chance I highly recommend you mosey on over Warshington way and get beat on. From just conversations with the man I have spent at least a year reviewing everything I thought I knew. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:20:21 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Hooking and all that Jazz! Just a side note - In Yang Jwing Ming's books on Shaolin Chin Na he talks extensively about "dividing the bone" and "dividing the tendon" techniques designed to break bones, dislocate joints, tear / seperate tendons etc ><a tendon or breaking a bone. > Maybe there is some degree of crossover here, maybe someone with access to more info about Katchas Katch Kan and Chin Na techniques might like to elaborate. On a related tack - does anybody know of any good grappling instructors in the UK (that the little bit of land across the pond - for most of you guys in the states *grin*), especially in the Midlands. Yet another $0.02 (whats that in ECU's ?) - --------------------------------------------- Jon Howard - jon@full-fat.com "The mind is like a parachute, they both work best when open" - --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: James Owens Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:55 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #23 > he was not the BEST > wrestler ever. Thesz puts up Ed Lewis, Farmer Burns, or maybe Ad Santell. Local PBS here in Minneapolis aired a program on local wrestling the other night. There, still climbing into the ring at ? (would not say his age but is estimated at 68) is Farmer Burns. He gets into the ring and comes alive! He enjoys doing the small Minnesota venues and is a great example of staying active and doing things you love as long as you can at any age. ------------------------------ From: "David R. Riggs" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:23:43 -0500 Subject: RE: eskrima: Catch,Shoot, grappling in general Paul wrote: > >Has anyone on the list seen or trained in Dr. Gyi's Naban, which is the >grappling portion of Bando... I hope you are asking about Dr. Maung Gyi, Bando instructor, et al. For the list, Dr. Gyi formed the American Bando Association in honor of American veterans of Asian wars (Bando is a martial art from Burma). Dr. Gyi was a member of the British 10th Gurkha Regiment and served in many military conflicts throughout the world. He is now in his seventies, looks and acts like someone in his forties, and is definitely NOT someone I would wish to meet in a dark alley. I have been to four or five of Dr. Gyi's seminars and every one is well worth the time and money spent. Actually, his seminars may be the best I've been to. Sadly, I do not believe that Dr. Gyi currently accepts new students. However, there are several of his students that do a great job teaching the different branches of Bando. I can let you know the next seminar Dr. Gyi will present in the Dayton, Ohio area or give you contacts for some of his students in the Ohio area if you are interested. E-Mail me personally at the address below for more info. So much for my lurking. Hope this post was not too off-topic for the list. "The true victory of shobu aiki (aikido) is to strike down and destroy the mind of doubt and conflict within yourself. It is to realize and carry out the destiny you have received from divine providence" - O Sensei David Riggs davidrriggs@msn.com ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:25:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Catchascatchcan Hello, I don't remember who was looking for info on Catchascatchcan, but may have found something of interest to them. I came across the web site for the Western Martial Arts Association. They claim to be a non-profit association with the goal of researching and preserving several western ma's, including Catchascatchcan. Their URL is www0.delphi.com/iemartialarts/ HTH Dave. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:12:50 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Gotch/Kimura Hi folks, Below is a post from Tony Cecchine from aol... I had inquired about details on the Kimura Gotch match and he posted this. <> ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:51:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #24 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.