From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #26 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 21 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 026 In this issue: eskrima: Skin toughening herbs eskrima: Netforce on TV eskrima: Stevie Siegal eskrima: Grappling, etc. eskrima: chokes/sleeper holds eskrima: Hand Toughening [none] eskrima: Re: Tony C and Net Force eskrima: Oh you've got to see this if you do martial arts eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:10:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Skin toughening herbs >Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:31:54 -0800 >To: ironpalm@onelist.com >From: gold@ij.net >Subject: Skin toughening herbs > >Well its not a herb but a resin. Benzoin. The main ingredient of betodine solution. > >Benzoin resin is pretty easy to get. Its cheaper than bentodine. I was suprised to see it at the local (laugh, there is no local in florida), heath food store. > >Betodine solution is recommened by professional hikers to apply to the feet to make the skin into leather. > >It doesnt dissolve in water or alchohol. It gets sticky anyways. So I made put it in my oil based stuff. Its a decent incense. Mild vanilla odor. Would go nice with thorn apple essence. Has a strange calming effect. > >This stuff has a interesting calming effect on people when heat it as a insence. Clears the mind and opens the orifices. > >It tastes like crap if you eat it. So its not a good food flavoring. It was tempting. > >Other herb sources recommend a oil. It does seem to make the oil penetrate faster. > >The chinese medica's say it openes the orifices. It is good for asthma type stuff and can clear excess dampness. > >Turiyan > ------------------------------ From: Guyver Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:48:32 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Netforce on TV It seems Netforce will be a movie on ABC Feb. 1st. It stars Scott Bakula, Brian Dennehy and Kris Kristofferson. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:23:36 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Stevie Siegal A Howl of Greeting to All: Concerning the Stevie Siegal & Gene LaBelle story: I have heard a couple of variations of this one, and given who told me one of them, IMHO its basically true. Variation 1) SS said "That grappling stuff won't work on me" and LaB offered to help him test it. As LaB achieved a choking position, SS did one of those "but-I-could-hit-you-in-the-nuts" things and LaB put him out. Variation 2) SS was trashing on his stunt men (and he does have an extensive rep for doing this) and some grizzled old geezer told him to lighten up, and SS told GOG to , , , go elsewhere and one thing led to another. The GOG was LaB Both variations conclude with SS out cold and being photographed laying there in LaB's arms. One variation has him losing control of bodily functions. Moral of the story: Good manners is good policy, especially when the Grizzled Old Geezer is Gene LaBelle. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: jmfrankl Date: Wed, 20 Jan 99 21:31:31 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Grappling, etc. Some more random thoughts on grappling. Again, I am sure that there are many tough Katch guys out there and this message is not personal, it is theoretical/strategic. On the position vs. submission debate. Position would seem to be a crucial prerequisite for a variety of reasons. If you have position, and can hold it, you have all day to get your submission. If you look for a submission from a "bad" position--being mounted let's say--you may or may not get it, but if you do not get it in about one second you stand a good chance of being pounded. And even if you eventually get the submission, there is such thing as a Pyrrhic victory. Some of you will remember Yuki Nakai (then a shootfighter, now a BJJ brown belt) vs. Gerard Godeau (sp?) in one of the first Japan Vale Tudo events. Nakai stayed on his back, sort of using the guard, and repeatedly attempted to finish with a heel hook/foot lock. Godeau punched and kicked his face almost at will. Nakai finally won and probably injured his opponents knee, but he lost an eye in the bargain. Contrast this to Brazilian fighters like Fabio Gurgel (vs. Mark Kerr) and Murilio Bustamante (vs. Tom Erikson); they both lost to much larger fighters but defended themselves and came out with only minor bumps and bruises. It is great to be able to do more damage than the next guy, but what about taking less? Finally, regarding the I'd bite and fishhook and scratch strategy, what if your opponent decides to do the same--BUT he can control position and you cannot? All of these options are viable but they also up the ante; they make it anything goes, and so like the one chance at submission if you are mounted, you also get one bite, pinch, claw, etc. If it's not just like Enter the Dragon, if the guy is as determined as you to do everything, and you can't get him off of you with that one bite, he will re-adjust and you will be completely vulnerable to all of his biting, etc. I guess it's like pulling a deringer on a guy with an uz; if you put that one bullet right between the eyes, great, if not, be ready to taste a lot of lead. John ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:11:34 EST Subject: eskrima: chokes/sleeper holds In a message dated 99-01-20 19:58:06 EST, you write: << > >> I've been practicing chokes and sleeper holds for years and have written a couple articles on them. I've also had to use them in real situations, and I have yet to see anyone that could not be put out if the hold was done correctly. If you cut the blood supply to the brain off by constricting the carotid arteries along the side of the neck, the person is going to go out and go out real quick. You can not train for this, if the blood supply is cut off, you are out. Doesn't matter who you are. The only thing you can do is prevent the hold from being properly applied, and there are ways to do this, just like there are counters to just about everything else. Alain Burrese aburrese@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:04:59 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Hand Toughening > aluminium-containing anti-perspirant > for three days > Be careful with the aluminum friends. Regardless of its route of entry, e.g., ingestion or absorption through skin, it may wreak a little havoc on the brain. Aluminum has no known role in human metabolism and only causes problems. Most of it gets excreted, but it can be found in the arteries, brain, lungs, liver and thyroid. Consider: "Small quantities of soluble salts of aluminum present in the blood cause a slow form of poisoning characterized by motor paralysis and areas of local numbness, with fatty degeneration of kidney and liver. ... Trace amounts of aluminum spplied to the brain surface of animals resulted in seizures and fits ... aluminum salts injected into the [cerebrospinal fluid] produced changes similar to those occurring in senile dementia. ... cats given aluminum became slow learners ... the level of aluminum in the cats' brains was equivalent to the amount found in the brains of persons who have Alzheimer's disease." Hey, guess what ... it usually doesn't get filtered out of our drinking water ... it gets put in as a flocculant if my memory serves accurately (had that in chem a long time ago, aluminum sulfate added to water during the "purification" process, some of it is still there [at the tap] after filtration). Some table salt includes aluminum, also deodorants, baking powder, some cheeses and some white flours. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Grantham, Stephen" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:54:43 -0700 Subject: [none] John said: Finally, I liked what Carl Fung said about the choke. Who was trying to choke these Katch guys? The farmer next door? Sounds like Houdini's "punch me in the stomach" trick--let me get ready first and let you not be a trained puncher. John - ----- I agree that chokes are tough to deal with. The Machados, and for that matter, most BJJ stylists can really do some damage with the effectiveness of their chokes. According to Jean-Jaque Machado, it doesn't even need to be perfect to be effective in most instances. Having said that, I have seen Tony Cecchine on his seminar video talking about having a strong neck. I believe he trains specifically for that strength. I saw him demonstrate having a student stand on his throat (Tony was on his back on the ground), with the student's other foot off the ground, thus putting his entire body weight on Tony's throat. Tony continued to talk while the guy was standing there. That's a pretty strong neck. Can he be choked? Who knows, but it would definately be much tougher to choke him out than to choke me out! Steve Grantham sgrantham@microage.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:03:29 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Tony C and Net Force <> Btw, I just wanted to clarify that the above phrase is unrelated to my Tony C post. From Tony C's other posts that I have read, he seems to have a very realistic view of his talent and doesn't even claim to be the best out there which is rare in these days. As to whether his post on Gotch is heresay or not, I'm not claiming either but thought the list might find it of interest. Tony C seems to believe it 100 percent, so take it up with him or present some counter data from other sources. On a different subject, I just saw a tv ad for Netforce- the Tom Clancy book that someone wrote about earlier which had mentions of eskrima and silat. Does anyone know if any martial artists of note were used as advisors for the tv movie? Being that FMAs are so celluloid shy- the knife work is probably by that James Lew guy... every action star's favorite asian punching bag. I'm sure the guy is talented and all, but every time I see him on screen, I start to count the seconds before he gets KOed. I hope I am wrong and some incredible blade /empty hand work is showcased. Was Mr. Plinck contacted? - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Joe Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:49:06 +0900 Subject: eskrima: Oh you've got to see this if you do martial arts everyone - if you are a real martial artist you have to see this page. I = apologize if it offends anyone but I just think it is really funny. Click on the blue text below: http://www.megsinet.net/~rlsweb/stick/master.htm Come in and take a free look at the Progressive Martial Arts Community = Online: http://mycomm.excite.com/mycomm/browse.asp?cid=3D.gJWmHPLR1FF Joe McCray Head Instructor Progressive Martial Arts Fussa-Shi Tokyo, Japan ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:12:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #26 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.