From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #28 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 22 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 028 In this issue: eskrima: Re: ABS/ASP? batons eskrima: Re: Things that make you go hmmm. eskrima: Re Chokes and Exercises eskrima: Knife laws in BC eskrima: Resisting a choke eskrima: Re: What's the law? eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #27 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #27 eskrima: Langka? eskrima: What are the 12 positions of kina mutai? eskrima: sundry eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nate Corley" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:47:41 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: ABS/ASP? batons Don't know anything about ABS batons, but am assuming you meant ASP's. = I own a pair of 26 inchers. A little spendy ~60$ each, but hey are = backed by a lifetime warranty, and seem to be made well. I don't think = you could accidently close one by striking with the punjo (as I = understand it, the short section protruding from the bottom of your = hand?) Mine are downright difficult to close intentionally, even when I = am tapping the tip on the concrete. The harder you sling a pair open, = the harder they are to close. Check with local LEO's about carry in = your area, in some jurisdictions they can be considered concealed = weapons. Regards- Nate ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:29:37 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Things that make you go hmmm. At 08:14 PM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Marc Denny" >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:45:01 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: Things that make you go hmmm. > >Yip: > >> >This stuff has a interesting calming effect on people when heat it as a >> insence. (sic) Clears the mind and opens the orifices. > >Hmmm. > >C. All this talk about hookers, removing blisters from the palms and opening orifices. It is getting a bit strange. I agree with the warning against using the aluminum based deodorant. Sweat is our bodys other waste elimination system. Clogging your pores with aluminum just doesnt sound right. Tien yi ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:33:50 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re Chokes and Exercises John Wrote: > Finally, I liked what Carl Fung said about the choke. Who was trying to > choke these Katch guys? The farmer next door? Sounds like Houdini's > "punch me in the stomach" trick--let me get ready first and let you not > be a trained puncher. > John > First I'd like to say that I agree with Doc. Anyone can be choked out, know doubt, but if you have that ability to drastically prolong the effects of a choke you are left with more options, sometimes causing your opponent to reposition or go for another choke, Which by the way is not what really occurs, since everyone here seems to want to flex their techno superiority, 95% of what people refer to as chokes, are really arterial strangulation that result in not just oxygen depravation, but also an increase in cerebral pressure, which is why the effect is so rapid, where as a wind choke first attack the cardio pulmonary systems, before effecting the brain and causing you to see dead relatives. As for the farmer next door!! Find a Kacth Man and tell him what you think. As for setting up, before someone punches or chokes you, NO DA!!! don't all martial artist do that!!!!! Everyone uses some little nitch to try to pursued people to their side, weather it be demos, with board breaking, being a pressure point expert, building a reputation as a hard core fighter, or aligning your self with people who others respect, Look at the BLBs ( Bruce Lee Boys ) you'd swear that some of them were personal friends of his, even thought they never met him, but quote him as if he were the God of martial arts.. Next order of business someone asked for neck building exercises. I have the following which my father did every other day until about age 79, However I do not recommend, nor do I myself do them, and it goes without saying that you must build up to it. Here it is Micky Pasiwk's neck exercises. 1. warm up with neck rotations 2. Place forehead in palm of hands and push ( isometric exercises ) front back and sides. 3. Use head harness lay on end of bench, do 3 reps of 10 at 25lbs front, back sides, and rotate. 4. increase weight to 50lbs and repeat. 5. forward and backward neck bridges. 6. Head stand against wall and do 20 neck rolls 10 ea. direction 7. Head stand against wall do 3 sets of 10 neck dips, front back and sides. 8. Lateral Neck stands, place head under an unmoveable bench or table that is very low, lay on your stomach, push up with your arms,causing the bench to force your head down and tighten your back and try to elevate your feet off the ground. 9. Make a noose out of nylon, ( like seat belt material is what my dad used ) step off of chair swing and left your weight up and down, moving your chin up and down. My father said to first attach the noose to a pulley with weights and keep adjusting the weights until eventually you can tie off the noose step off of a empty pop crate and work your way up to a chair and then slowly add weights by holding them in your arms. The story of Farmer Burns, being able to take a 6ft drop with a hangman's noose I believe is BS. A hangman's noose is designed specifically to break the neck! 10. Finish up by using a 3 section staff and remove a section so you have a giant pair of nun-chukos (sp) and practice choking yourself arterialy and across the wind pipe. Again I don't recommend this type of training, but you asked!!!! Rocky Pasiwk Chief instructor Anciong's Original Balintawak Founder of Cuentada Demano ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:14:49 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Knife laws in BC >Mainly, I'm interested in B.C. and Vancouver carry laws. There are very few carry laws (surprisingly). In BC generally fixed blade up to 10" is OK if *unconcealed*. Longer blades are swords and covered by different laws of which I know little. Folders are OK definitely to 4 inches, possibly 6 inches. Again concealment is a no-no. On Air Canada anything goes up to 4 inches. The people in one of the Vancouver knife shops told me that Vancouver City is definitely limited to 4 inches. Note, however, that belt buckle knives, switchblades, push daggers, balisongs and some other specialty cutlery are prohibited weapons and such subject to prosecution. Stick to ordinary folders and fixed blades. Common sense, however, tells me that carrying a 10" Bolo on your belt down the Hastings Street will get you unwanted attention, the police being the same the world over. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:51:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Resisting a choke I have participated in a seminar with Rickson where he let all 50 people choke him one by one while he corrected their technique. Lotsa bodybuilders tried to "crank" him with no effect. I understand he allows some students to start with a rear mount, rear choke, and hooks in. Rickson breaths in short bursts, passes the hooks to a half guard, then passes it to mount his opponent. This is done with his hands tucked in his belt. I have seen Paul DeThouars allow anyone to lock him, and he just walks out of it. I am not saying this always works, or they cannot be choked or locked, I am just saying, that this is natural attributes combined with hard training. Pretty amazing. Tom Furman...aka....tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Dave Murray" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:06:33 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: What's the law? >From: "David W. Briggs" >Subject: Laws on carrying knives between Washington State and B.C.? > >Could someone please comment on the legalities and practicalities of >taking personal-use knives into British Columbia, carrying them there, and >bringing them back into the U.S.? You can look up U.S. (Federal & all states), Canada, and Mexico Law at: http://www.lawsource.com/also/ Very scary stuff, everyone owes it to themselves to take a quick look, freedoms vanish as you cross imaginary lines. It's OK for me to carry a butterfly or folding tac knife in my pocket in AZ, better empty my pockets before driving west to California. Short drive to felony land. Regards and respect, Dave Murray ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:22:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #27 I find that some of the best locks come when you or your opponent is transiting from one position to another or jockeying for position. I tend to take the view that the lock usually creates the position and there are no superior positions. It is the fighter who can exploit the strength of a position while minimizing its weakness are the truly great fighters. Well I definitely have some other comments to make but I think I'll just shut my orifice for now. Jeff Monaghan ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:15:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #27 At 08:14 PM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: Jeff Finder >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:07:05 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: stickbags > > I have bags made by a member of this list. They are made of heavy duty >denim and work quite well, I've been using mine for about 2 years, and I >believe some others on this list also have tried and liked these bags. >Soemthing else that works well are those long zipper insulated bags for >keeping beverage cans cool in summer. Available at your local quickie mart >with all your favorite logos. There's also something called a "Bazooka Case" that was originally made for carrying fishing rods. They're a heavy plastic case that comes in varying sizes, depending on how many rods you wish to carry in each case. They are also "telescopic", allowing the length to be adjusted (they can even hold a 6' staff). I *think* they may even be lockable and they're available at local sporting goods stores...I know the local Sports Authority carries them. HTH Dave. >------------------------------ > >From: "Marc Denny" >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:45:01 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: Things that make you go hmmm. > >Yip: > >> >This stuff has a interesting calming effect on people when heat it as a >> insence. (sic) Clears the mind and opens the orifices. > >Hmmm. > >C. If it opens *all* the orifices, I'll bet it clears more than your mind ;o) Dave. dwf@computerpackages.com P.S. If anyone knows of a good FMA teacher in Maryland, please e-mail me privately...TIA ------------------------------ From: Peter Sampogna Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:19:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Langka? I am looking for vids or books containing langkas as mentioned in Wiley's book the ones he mentions are langka-silat, langka-kuntaw, langka-lima, langka-pansak, and langka-sayaw anyone? Pete Sampogna ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:20:59 -0500 Subject: eskrima: What are the 12 positions of kina mutai? Hello, Someone posted to another forum about the 12 positions of Kina Mutai, Kali's biting and pinching art. Does anyone have any info? I would venture a guess as to one of the 12 biting positions being the ear or perhaps 2 positions, the left ear and the right ear. TIA. Hy bakayaru@pipeline.com p.s. there goes that magic number 12 again. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:17:15 -0500 Subject: eskrima: sundry Hello, Sorry for the delay in replying to the various answers I got to my q's from V6#1. My year-end closing work is done, but the auditors are still questioning me on some of the numbers and they found some mistakes I made because we were rushing to close. - ---------- On the Drunken Style as a legitimate CMA: Thank you all for correcting my erroneous friend. Like I wrote, I sometimes take what he says with a grain of salt. - ---------- On the Parkinson's thread: There were replies for both sides of the q. of boxers getting P.'s syndrome (or is it disease?). So, that would seem like the $64,000 q. is still not answered. :-( - ---------- Turiyan wrote in V6#2: >Is your fu jow friend chinese? And did he hear this from ng wai hong himself? He is and I'm not sure the source of his info. I do not think it would be from Wai Hong himself. - --------- Rich Parsons wrote in V6#2: >My data shows 2/6/99 as the new year? Hmmm wondering which it is. I've got 3 calendars, all of which indicate 2/16/99 as the New Year's Day for the lunar calendar as reckoned by the Chinese. >The Jist is I celevrate to celebrate, any excuse to celebrate :~) Cheers! That's the spirit! - -------- Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) wrote in V6#2: >If you could find the magazine article, I too would be greatly >interested in getting a copy of it. The only reference I've seen to >this is in John Steven Soet's book "Martial Arts Around the World", >which provides a few pictures but little useful information. Sorry, if I'm not mistaken, the article I have was reprinted as is in the book. It was not an article, per se, but part of the series of "articles" that IK did which featured XYZ martial art vs. common various attacks (bear hug, front kick, right cross, lapel grab, etc.). Later, it was bunched together and printed as a book. However, if there was an article, I would be interested too, if anyone has it. Also, if you are still interested in a copy, please let me know. I'll dig it up from storage. - ------- Mik wrote in V6#2: >...from a child of the Hare/Rabbit's Year. Next year would make you either 12, 24, 36, 48, or 60 years old. Happy Birthday. - ------- Al Sardinas wrote in V6#8: >Also with the blade movie talk, my favorite movie is the first >Chinese movie I ever saw back in 1972 which was the "One Armed >Swordsman" with David Chaing and Ti Lung. Tsui Hark (famous HK director) re-did this movie in the 90's and it was called BLADE. It was too "arthouse" for me and too much character building. The last 30 mins or so, when the protagonist lost his arm and learns to use a blade attached to a chain vs. multiple attackers is pretty interesting. - ------- Turiyan wrote in V6#12: >I am intersted in hearing if anyone here takes or teaches or knows >anyone that does the wuzu quan. A south china martial art combining >the best of 5 martial systems. and John Chow replied in V6#13: [snip] >since Master Alex Co from the Beng Kiam group in Manila is >very close to Bakbakan Alex Co wrote a book on Ngo Cho which I think is the style you are referring to which is published by Tuttle, the same company which published Mark Wiley's FILIPINO MARTIAL CULTURE. Sorry, do not have the ISBN or list price info handy. - ------- On the solo training thread: Due to family (5 months old baby!) and work situations I have to work out solo at home, which I have neglected lately due to constant attention to the baby. One of my new year's resolutions is to begin again. Before the marriage and pregnancy, I was saving up for the wedding so I also trained solo. FWIW, what I did, which is nothing original or new was to copy certain segments of a MA video onto a separate video. I then followed along with that video. I have one vid which is what I call the Power vid which the bulk of it is following along with Top Dog from DB#1 performing the power strokes. For warmup, I copied Richard Bustillo's Muay Thai Workout section on warmup and Top Dog warming up from DB#3 IIRC. For cooldown, also from Bustillo, I copied his Boxing Workout section on cooldown. I have another workout which I call the Jabs vid which is following along with Top Dog (again) from DB#4 doing witiks. The forearms and grip really burn after you do this one. Also, I dread the Overhead and Toe Smash, my thighs kill me afterwards. Eventually, will put together a vid following along with PG Edgar Sulite doing the stroking patterns. Some recommendations: is to find vids where the instructor repeats the technique a few times without speaking. Those are the easiest to work from. It is correct to say that it's best to have an instructor, but I feel that this is the next best thing if you cannot have an instructor. Due to my circumstances, it's best for me presently. This of course, is provided that you have 2 VCR's to do the copying and the room to swing a stick(s) in front of your TV/VCR. Another idea: try to find an informal workout group. HTH. - -------- Chris Hermann wrote in V6#23: >In regards to "fear" and its effect during a fight: >Following is a quote from Oscar De La Hoya, which appeared in >"Parade" on 3.30.97. [snip] This is from BAD INTENTIONS: THE MIKE TYSON STORY written by Peter Heller: Page 253 Spinks, who came from as tough a ghetto in St. Louis as Tyson did in Brooklyn, was less macho: "I'll carry some fear into the ring, at least I hope I will," he admitted. "I think fear is good for a boxer because it makes you respect the individual you're fighting_I don't feel I can fight well without it." He went on to tell how he had fought without fear only once, as an amateur, and how, as a result, he had lost. He described how he had seen his brother, Leon, defeat the Soviet fighter Rufat Riskiev, and how he had not thought Riskiev much of a fighter. Several months later, he himself had faced Riskiev in Moscow. Overconfident, he underestimated his Russian opponent, was knocked down and lost the fight. Then, in the Montreal Olympics, he had to fight Riskiev in the finals for the gold medal. He entered the ring with that healthy fear and used it to his advantage to beat Riskiev and win Olympic gold. It was that same fear that he hoped would carry him through the storm that was Tyson. Page 255 The fear was there. It was coming. And Tyson knew he would have to harness it, control it, in order for it to work to his advantage. He needed the fear, just as Spinks did. Sometimes he worried that he had dominated his thirty-four opponents so completely that he would become nonchalant and lose that edge the fear provided. He was actually relieved when he dreamed one night that he and Spinks had fought and that Spinks had beaten him. It was a sign the fear was still there. and Geoff Thompson writes in his book DEAD OR ALIVE: THE CHOICE IS YOURS - THE DEFINITIVE SELF PROTECTION BOOK about a Fear Adrenal Map. The following info was from the recent BB article on Thompson and the Fear Adrenal Map. It details the various stages of a fight and the effect of fear/adrenaline: _Fear_ The first pre-fight stimulus is the fear of fear itself. It occurs when you don't know why you are feeling anxious. "Oftentimes, when you cannot pinpoint why you are experiencing fear, then there probably isn't a reason other that natural anticipation," Thompson says. It produces a slow release of adrenaline. _Think-Fight Fear_ The second pre-fight stimulus occurs whenever you anticipate a confrontation, Thompson says. Your body releases adrenaline slowly, often over a long period of time. Because of the extended duration of the release, it can exhaust you. _Post-Fight Fear Before the Fight_ The third pre-fight stimulus occurs when you anticipate the consequences of a fight before the fight even begins, Thompson says. The fear of those consequences - being arrested, sued, beaten up, raped, murdered and so on - often causes the slow release of adrenaline into the would-be attacker's body. This sometimes prompts him to abort the attack. _Pre-Fight Fear_ The fourth pre-fight stimulus occurs when anticipation is not present or when a situation escalates unexpectedly quickly, causing an adrenal dump, Thompson says. "This feeling is often so intense that the person mistakes it for sheer terror and freezes." Pre-fight fear is the most devastating of all the adrenal releases, he claims. _Secondary Adrenaline_ The fifth pre-fight stimulus stems from the fear of the unexpected. Thompson explains that before, during or after a confrontation, something unexpected may happen. "The brain, sensing this lack of preparedness, gives the body a secondary kick of adrenaline that is nearly always mistaken for fear," he says. _Peripheral Adrenaline_ "Often people get tunneled in their awareness," Thompson says of the sixth pre-fight stimulus. "That is [to say], they are so indoctrinated into expecting an attacker or an attack to fit a certain place or type that they are completely taken by surprise when attack occurs outside of their expectations." This can lead to another adrenal dump. _Post-Fight Fear During the Fight_ The first in-fight stimulus causes many people to lose their fighting spirit during a confrontation because they suddenly think about the consequences of their actions, Thompson says. If their assailant is a clever one, he may even remind them of these consequences on purpose. "This often occurs at a crisis point within the conflict," he says. Thinking about the possible consequences of fighting back can cause doubt, which can trigger adrenaline to be released slowly. "This is mistaken for fear and can lead to capitulation," he says. _In-Fight Fear_ The second in-fight stimulus can occur when you experience pain, exhaustion or frustration because things are not going as you had planned, Thompson says. Once again, the brain senses the danger and produces a third - or fourth or fifth - kick of adrenaline to help you deal with it. "This offering may be misread for fear, and panic ensues," he says. _Post-Fight Fear_ Even the aftermath of a fight can be stressful. "After a confrontation, whether [a person is] successful or not, the body often secretes slow releases of adrenaline brought on by the stress of scenario overload," Thompson says. "If the confrontation was traumatic, the body and mind are forced into overload, leaving the person mentally and physically weak." At the time you may also experience post-fight anticipation, in which your brain senses or dreads another confrontation or a repeat of the earlier confrontation. This leads to another release of adrenaline to prepare your body for action. It has caused many a sleepless night for martial artists and non-martial artists alike. _Adrenal Combo_ The final stimulus can be a combination of any of the above-mentioned stimuli. People who work or live in a stressful environment may experience various adrenaline releases at the same time, Thompson says. "The body produces a slow release because the person anticipates confrontation, an adrenal dump when unexpected situations arise, and [another] when the situation is over." Sorry for the long post, Ray. Just catching up. Very best, Hy bakayaru@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #28 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.