From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #29 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 23 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 029 In this issue: eskrima: Re: stick bags and knife grappling Re: eskrima: Knife fighting eskrima: neck training eskrima: conditioning eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #28 eskrima: sendmail & PERL help needed eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:34:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: stick bags and knife grappling For stick bags, I like to use the nylon "beer slings" that were designed to hold a six pack like an arrow quiver. They hald a pair of sticks and daggers, and can be gotten for free or next to nothing with cigarette and beer advertising on them. Put some tape over the "Camel" logo and you're good to go. Re: the thread on knife controll in grappling. Tony Blauer has a whole tape out devoted to drills for controlling the knife in a grappling encounter. It is roughly 2 hours long and is a live seminar taped at Walt Lysac's (Sento System) school. This is the same material he designed for the ASLET conventions he teaches at. Well worth the few $ it costs and gives many good, yet simple to apply, methods for dealing with this threat. Pete Kautz Arnis-Kali Ithaca ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:19:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Knife fighting > I really love the strips and knife controls I see in seminars, and on video's. > I tend to think that training with the standard, wooded, aluminum, or plastic > blades allows you to do things that you would not do in real life. I am > wondering if those instructors would strip as fast, even with someone dummying > for them, if they were using a serrated Spyderco Police model. > > I still like practicing the disarms, but I would concentrate less on the the > back hand strips and thumb controls, and put more emphasis on controlling the > arm, and going to armbar, branch up (americana), or branch down (kimura), ala > Steve Plinck's drill from Serak. > > Anyone have any experience with the serrated edge while disarming angle #1 > dagger grip? In teaching an Inayan RKD (Reactive Knife Defense) seminar we'd frequently end the seminar by testing the students with a live blade. After practicing 'same side, palm-down blocks' against a wooden knife for hour after hour after hour I pulled out a Spyderco Endura and told the student to just do what he'd been doing all along. I explained what angle I was going to attack with, told him the attack would be very controled, and told him to 'just do what you've been doing correctly all day'. Well, he apparently had a brain fart when the real thing started coming at him. Instead of blocking arm to arm, he reached up and just grabbed the live blade with his hand. Given I was feeding him a slower speed attack it was easy enough to keep him from getting cut, but he had a death grip on that blade. I just told him to 'slowly remove your hand from the blade', which he did. All in all, better than not doing anything at all, but it clearly shows how some (many/most?) can forget their training when the real thing is coming at you... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:36:29 -0800 Subject: eskrima: neck training >2. Place forehead in palm of hands and push ( isometric exercises ) >front back and sides. Most folks just push with their hands and resist with their neck muscles. A method I have found interesting is to move your head in the direction of the push, instead of against it. It works different muscles and is an interesting effect. >The story of Farmer Burns, being able to take a 6ft drop with a >hangman's noose I believe is BS. A hangman's noose is designed >specifically to break the neck! First, in the Bad Old Days, lots of hangings entailed the gruesome spectacle of dangling bodies writhing at the end of the rope. Victims could take up to 30 minutes to die of strangulation, which is why in some of the old Westerns, you see them put a bullet into the hanged person. This was fact. Variables could be the neck strength of the victim, especially relative to their body weight, the skill (or lack thereof) in the hangman's positioning/tightening of the noose, etc. Second, strongman/chi gung proponent Mike Dayton used to hang himself as part of his performance, especially popular in Las Vegas. No tricks, and he didn't wear a shirt that could hide support ropes under his arms. Just a phenomenally strong neck. He quit doing this after his tv performance of the stunt, because a teenager somewhere tried to copy it and died. Then again, Mike could break 3 sets of handcuffs ..... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Leland Predon" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:54:33 PST Subject: eskrima: conditioning Hey everyone, I've been reading the string on blisters and what not I and I was wondering what kinds of conditioning you guys do on a regular basis? I train in Muay Thai so I'm always kicking/kneeing/punching/elbowing a HEAVY bag with whatever I can hit it with. Usually I try to condition my shins the most, but I try to work on other things when I can. I train my abs and thighs alot too, like taking shots in the gut and legs with a thai pad. I know many Karate (GOJU) people who condition their forearms alot also. What do you guys do? L.P. Toronto,ON Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:17:57 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #28 >I have participated in a seminar with Rickson where he let all 50 people choke >him one by one while he corrected their technique. Lotsa bodybuilders tried to >"crank" him with no effect. I understand he allows some students to start with >a rear mount, rear choke, and hooks in. Rickson breaths in short bursts, >passes the hooks to a half guard, then passes it to mount his opponent. This >is done with his hands tucked in his belt. >I have seen Paul DeThouars allow anyone to lock him, and he just walks out of >it. >I am not saying this always works, or they cannot be choked or locked, I am >just saying, that this is natural attributes combined with hard training. >Pretty amazing. >Tom Furman...aka....tcsno@aol.com >First I'd like to say that I agree with Doc. Anyone can be choked out, >know doubt, but if you have that ability to drastically prolong the >effects of a choke you are left with more options, sometimes causing >your opponent to reposition or go for another choke, Which by the way is >not what really occurs, since everyone here seems to want to flex their >techno superiority, 95% of what people refer to as chokes, are really >arterial strangulation that result in not just oxygen depravation, but >also an increase in cerebral pressure, which is why the effect is so >rapid, where as a wind choke first attack the cardio pulmonary systems, >before effecting the brain and causing you to see dead relatives. >As for the farmer next door!! Find a Kacth Man and tell him what you >think. >As for setting up, before someone punches or chokes you, NO DA!!! don't >all martial artist do that!!!!! Everyone uses some little nitch to try >to pursued people to their side, weather it be demos, with board >breaking, being a pressure point expert, building a reputation as a hard >core fighter, or aligning your self with people who others respect, Look >at the BLBs ( Bruce Lee Boys ) you'd swear that some of them were >personal friends of his, even thought they never met him, but quote him >as if he were the God of martial arts.. >Next order of business someone asked for neck building exercises. I have >the following which my father did every other day until about age 79, >However I do not recommend, nor do I myself do them, and it goes without >saying that you must build up to it. I been liking many of the threads about chokes and grappling that is part of the Digest of late with two of the above being my favorites. Chokes are great in just about any situation either in self defense or competition that allows the technique. Thanks to the DBs and others, we do find ground fighting in our competition. Anymore, the fight tends to go to the ground in which I prefer to be the taker and not the taken. Not being of the same caliber as those that are able to withstand chokes by overgrown muscle bound monsters and walk away I do my best as not to put myself in the positions for the choke. One way is as suggested and another way is to learn not to panic. I find that in a take down, many panic and try to get back to their feet and their neck is there for the taking. If on going down they would turtle up (roll up on all fours and tuck their heads in holding both hands tight on their stick) puts their opponent, many times, in a now what ??? situation. Depending on the rules you might get a restart or if it the match is on you have this person feeding you a limb to be taken. A Judoka or Jujitsu person knows how to turn this person but most seem to freeze. I've seen others spin out on the take down onto their backs and kick out at their opponent working for the opportunity to get to their feet. Therefore, I feel the best way to avoid being choked out is more about fighting smart and not to put too much trust in neck exercises. This puts us back to positioning. Mallen ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: sendmail & PERL help needed A couple of folks have tried to help me fix the bug with the missing 'From:' lines in the digest msgs. The latest person's Ex-wife just replied to my most recent status request e-mail telling me that she got the computer in the divorce, thus he would not be able to help. ??? Anyway, any other volunteers? Not sure, but it probably requires some basic knowledge of sendmail, more than basic knowledge of PERL, and perhaps even a little knowledge of majordomo's scripts. But I have a set of problem documentation that might be sufficient in the area of majordomo and its associated scripts. As ya'll may recall the problem began when I upgraded from one version of Unix to another. Anyone?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:13:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #29 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.