From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #31 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 25 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 031 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #30 eskrima: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" (fwd) BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Virginia Martial Arts" (fwd) eskrima: Re: Stick Bags eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #30 eskrima: cold weather reply eskrima: Gloves and knives eskrima: Winter self-defense eskrima: 'Cause he needed hangin' Q eskrima: as requested... (fwd) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:27:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #30 In a message dated 1/24/99 3:28:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > panic and try to get back to their feet and their neck is there for the > taking. If on going down they would turtle up (roll up on all fours and tuck > their heads in holding both hands tight > on their stick) puts their opponent, many times, in a now what ??? > situation.> > > I may be wrong, but isn't this exactly what you are not supposed to do? I > was taught that you NEVER give your back to your opponent in these > situations. > > Joe Hironaka > Joe, I can tell that you have never messed with a snapping turtle or rattle snake. Your instructor is correct in making that blanket statement to cover almost every situation. However, this would be an exception. If you go down and your opponent doesn't you'd be a foul to do as I say. Also, in my response the opponent made a critical mistake of not holding on to the arm or controlling it on the takedown to enable the turtle up to happen. The turtle up is use when your opponent takes ya down and tries to choke, hold down or limb lock ya. Its not a static position but a transition like a stance. You curl up toward your toes (your toes are coiled) and when your opponent makes his move, you spring your attack. I offered the technique up because I have a great success rate with this and it come from my Judo days and from my childhood days when I almost lost my fingers to one of those snappers. Their necks are about three feet long and you could never tell by the way they stuff it all into their shells ; ) Mallen ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:52:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" (fwd) This looks like what I was looking for. Thanks to Mik. Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:09:08 -0600 To: raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" Ray, Check out http://faculty.web.waseda.ac.jp/vicky/projects/e-mail/emote.html. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:05:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Virginia Martial Arts" (fwd) You are subscribed as dhinton@pen.k12.va.us. Please correct. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forwarded message: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:44:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Virginia Martial Arts" ] From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Subject: sticks to go I have had great luck with some second hand bags. The first is actually a kid's golf bag. This bag is about 34 inches tall with a snapped pocket on the side for gloves or whatever, a comfortable shoulder strap, and a thick, solid plastic bottom that's perfect for carrying blades. It will hold about 8 sticks / blades. I find them at yard sales and such. Another fav of mine is a baseball bag. Use the bat part of the bag for sticks, the other for a change of clothes or kali paraphernalia. Both bags have run me under a dollar each but perfect for students. Remember: The size of a man's kali bag reflects his kali prowess. : ) - --- See you in the sticks, Dale http://www.dls.net/~vama/eskrima Custom Sticks, Discount Price ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:45:21 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Stick Bags I'm in the process of having a custom stick bag made. I'm waiting for the price quote at the moment. It's going to be made of black 1050 ballistic cloth and other heavy duty materials. The company does all types of custom sewing. Tell them what you want and they should be able to help you. Their website is below: http://www.nextdim.com/users/pschwyn/index.htm _______________ Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Thomas Paul Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:02:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #30 >>Normally in mid-january those of us in winter climates are all bundled up- heavy winter coats, hats, gloves, etc. This kind of weather induced dress requirement seems to present a number of difficulties in deploying a knife in a self-defense situation. I'm curious as to what types of solutions the list may have come up with to deal with this potential problem.<< IMHO, as with the employment of any self defense tool, increased awareness is the key to cold weather carry. I usually carry a "tactical folder" clipped to one of the pockets on my right side, and I wear a just past the butt length jacket, so the process of drawing and opening has more steps than usual, since I have to move the lower edge of the jacket. For me, this means extending the range at which I consider personal space incursion threatening. On the upside, I have had the experience of having a player stop, turn around and go back to his "spot", just outside of the Port Authority in NYC, when he saw my hand clear my jacket. I didn't even have to make eye contact... Stay safe - --Thom ------------------------------ From: ttruscott@pacificcoast.net (Ted Truscott) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:58:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: cold weather reply >From: "C. Herrman" >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:50:43 +0100 >Subject: eskrima: cold weather > >It seems like gloves are not really an option if you want to open a folder >and maintain a secure grip. If you choose not to wear gloves your hands >will probably end up in your pockets. If your hands are in your pockets, >and your knife is not, can you still bring the knife into play? > >If your knife is a folder clipped to your pants waistband or pants pocket, >and your jacket extends below the waist, as many winter coats do, your >blade is not easily accessible. To get around this you might carry a blade >clipped to your coat (or in the pocket). If you take off your coat when >indoors you now have to transfer your blade or leave it in the coat. >Transfering the blade could prove awkward; leaving a blade in your coat >presents other potential problems. > >Anyone have any suggestions? Looking forward to your feedback. >thanks in advance, >Chris H. > >citrus7@erols.com >student: Executive Edge Martial Development I wear a shooters type glove from the police supplies cataloge (My brother-in-law is a SWAT guy), and I can open my clipit one handed while gloved but getting it out of a tight pocket with gloves on doesn't work. (These gloves are pretty thin-I can feel the ridges of the edge of a coin thru them.) For heavy gloves and serious self defense needs I'd go for a fixed blade in an outer coat (read:large) pocket and my (never leave home without it) clipit under the coat for when it is removed. If the type of place means someone may rifle thru your coat pockets then make it a throw-away, cheap but servicable and keep it by you all the time. Large coats with large sleeves can provide access to a wrist carry but polite company frowns upon such "blatant paranoia," (they'd rather live in the flock where the predator pickes off those at the edges). Once I felt the need to transfer my clipit into the inside of my glove, in the palm of my hand, with my fingers around it, not in the finger sheaths. Seemed to fit the need at the time but it's not for everyday... Ted "the fighting old man" Truscott ttruscott@pacificcoast.net Each sword has its stone. A warrior, enemies For his edge...no hate. www.pacificcoast.net/~ttruscott ------------------------------ From: "Michael Melone" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:40:37 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Gloves and knives Hi. This is my first post here. I’ve been following the suggestion on the FAQ and checking things out for the last couple weeks. I felt I’d like to contribute to a recent inquiry. >Subject: eskrima: cold weather It seems like gloves are not really an option if you want to open a folder and maintain a secure grip.< I think whether a person wears gloves while using a knife is partly personal preference and partly training. I train with people that choose to wear gloves most of the time whatever the weather. It seems that whenever I’ve seen James Keating more often than not he’s wearing gloves. My personal preference is to not train in gloves. That being said, I do train in gloves sometimes. The reason being this. I ride a motorcycle, a lot. When I ride, I wear gloves and a jacket 99.9% of the time. I want to know that, should it be necessary I can draw, open and use a folding knife while wearing gloves and a jacket. I practice this so that its second nature. >If your knife is a folder clipped to your pants waistband or pants pocket, and your jacket extends below the waist, as many winter coats do, your blade is not easily accessible. To get around this you might carry a blade clipped to your coat (or in the pocket). If you take off your coat when indoors you now have to transfer your blade or leave it in the coat.< My suggestion here would be to carry two knives, one in the waistband or pants pocket and one in the coat pocket. >leaving a blade in your coat presents other potential problems.< What other potential problems? To all- I'm enjoying the interaction on this forum. Keep up the good work. Ciao Mike Melone memelone@recyclermail.com GET YOUR OWN FREE, PRIVATE E-MAIL ACCOUNT FROM RECYCLER.COM -- FREE CLASSIFIEDS, FREE AUCTIONS, AND LOTSA R'COMMUNITY -- HTTP://WWW.RECYCLERMAIL.COM ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Winter self-defense >From: "C. Herrman" >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:50:43 +0100 >Subject: eskrima: cold weather > >Normally in mid-january those of us in winter climates are all bundled up - >heavy winter coats, hats, gloves, etc. This kind of weather induced dress >requirement seems to present a number of difficulties in deploying a knife >in a self-defense situation. I'm curious as to what types of solutions the >list may have come up with to deal with this potential problem. > Fortunately at -16 degrees C there are fewer bad guys motivated to attack one outdoors. Violence is more likely indoors, hence knife stays in the trousers. Outside one runs into legal problems with weapon concealment. My wife walks around with a "walking stick" with a point to "get a better grip on the ice"...pefectly legal. In a dodgy place a large flashlight is also an option. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:59:40 +0000 Subject: eskrima: 'Cause he needed hangin' Q >First, in the Bad Old Days, lots of hangings entailed the gruesome >spectacle of dangling bodies writhing at the end of the rope. Victims >could take up to 30 minutes to die of strangulation, which is why in someof the old >Westerns, you see them put a bullet into the hanged person. An off-tangent question: I heard on a TV show somewheres that there was a difference (in the wild west) when a man was sentence "to be hung until dead" (I think this is what he said) and "hung by the neck until dead"...one meant that the convict was to be hung and his neck was supposed to break when the rope jerked taut; the other meant that he was to die of strangulation...can anyone verify/expound on this? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:39:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: as requested... (fwd) Thanks. Ray - ---------------------- Forwarded message: From bakayaru@pipeline.com Sun Jan 24 21:09:32 1999 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:01:52 -0500 ADN Any day now AFAIK As Far As I Know AMF Goodbye (Adios Mutha-......) BTW By The Way DIIK Damned if I know FITB Fill In The Blank.... 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(a la Mr. Bill) #:-o Same as previous <:-) Dumb questions oo "Somebody's head-lights are on" messages ;-) Wink ( take this message with a grain of salt) |-( Late night messages @>--->---- A rose. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:40:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #31 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.