From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #37 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 29 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 037 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #36 eskrima: Re:FMA in Japan eskrima: thumb openers eskrima: cool alternative to brass knuckles eskrima: Re -Knife fighting eskrima: Re: Old Dead Soldiers eskrima: Traditional FMA Uniform? eskrima: Re: Brass Knuckles eskrima: Yes there is FMA/JKD in Japan (I'm doing it) eskrima: Mike Inay in Chicago eskrima: Chokes, Stab vs. Slash eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! 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Peter Lee ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:40:26 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re:FMA in Japan From: Manny Gonzales > Hello everyone. I was told by a friend that FMA and other non-Japanese martial arts are very popular in Japan. Anyone have comments to share on this topic? A while back I read in one of the martial arts magazines ( can't remember which one) that Guro Dan Inosanto and some other instructors went to Japan to teach a seminar on FMA and JKD concepts. I believe that Rick Faye has regular(?) trips to Japan to teach. Try him for information. Minnesota Kali Group 328 E. Hennepin Avenue ~ Suite 200 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Phone: 612-331-6440; Fax: 612-331-6438; email: diana@skypoint.com pat - aberdeen martial arts group ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:57:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: thumb openers >>Does anyone know of any stub or knob that can be attached to a penknife/swiss army knife main blace which allows the knife to be opened with one hand only? I believe I say something like this in a knife mag years ago, but cannot track it down now? Anyone? Anyone?<< Years ago I bought a bunch of the original thumb attachments because they were going out of production. The newer ones are smaller and slicker little buttons, but the problem with using something like these on a pen knife or Swiss Army job is the gap between blades or the blade and the bolster might be too small. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:13:44 -0800 Subject: eskrima: cool alternative to brass knuckles Kelly Worden recently sent me one of his "DTL Kerambits" (DTL for disarm, trap, lock). It is a slick little hand tool, something I'm quickly becoming fond of carrying in my jacket. Like a kerambit, it has a ring that slips over the index finger, a comfortable grip, and a projection that sticks forward from under the little finger. The DTL-K is professionally produced from a black high-impact plastic, and looks more like a tool than anything (Officer, my buddy uses this for alignment to tune multiple carburators on an old British sports car.) It makes a decent striking weapon (especially for downward chops), and the finger ring allows nasty pinches with the thumb (my students are not too fond of my experiments with this!) One of the better non-lethal concepts I've seen in awhile. Kelly also has produced a videotape just for learning to use this thing. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:57:15 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re -Knife fighting Here's one for you knife fighters out there. About 10 or 12 years ago Remy Presas and I met this guy who did some form of Japanese Karate. He had a book that showed a picture of some Japanese Master Knife fighter. The Master had a unique way of fighting. He would supposedly wait for a thrusting or hooking type of motion and then would jamb his hand into the path of the knife one the knife went through the hand he would turn his hand making it hard for you to dislodge your knife then he would stab you with his!! does anyone know if this is true!! Has anyone ever met this guy? Gives a whole new meaning to the word knife hand!!! ------------------------------ From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Old Dead Soldiers Animal wrote: >Remember the Roman general who said "You wound with the edge, you kill with >the point." When they dug up old graves of soldiers they discovered healed >slash wounds, but that what done 'em in most was the point. Howdy Animal, While I agree with the adage you quote, I wonder about the archeological evidence you cite. As you know, bone tends to fossilize a lot better than flesh does. Healed slash wounds seem like they'd be unlikely to show up a thousand or so years later unless they'd slashed all the way into the bone. So did they find a lot of healed bones that appeared to have been slashed earlier or is it something else? I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm just interested. Randy B. brannan@spawar.navy.mil ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:11:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Traditional FMA Uniform? Meowmix to All, Traditional FMA Uniform is depend in what region you from,Luzon-Visayas- Mindanao Me came from Luzon via Cavite City they wear White T-shirt,Red Loose Drawstring Pants,Bandana around the Neck and Rice Strawhat front is flap up . CAT Society is hosting GM Ramiro Estallila of Rigonan-Estallila Kabaroan on Saturday,Feb. 20,1999. More details will be forwarded later on,Thanks. Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad CAT Society(Consolidated Arnis Tabak Society) Arniste@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Leland Predon" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:14 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Brass Knuckles I have Karate friends who use them. They are called teko (sp?). They use their regular punching techs, and also a few others which invole using the inside of the hand.....(there is a solid bar part which is held onto). I dunno, but these things look nasty, instead of just a flat piece of metal there are a couple of small metal cylynders welded onto the front. ouch! LP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Joe Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:46:20 +0900 Subject: eskrima: Yes there is FMA/JKD in Japan (I'm doing it) Yeah there is FMA, JKD, Pencak Silat, Tae Kwon Do, Brazilian Jui Jitsu, & Gracie Jui Jitsu here. I am currently a member (not an instructor) of IUMA (Inosanto Unified Martial Arts) - Sifu Yori Nakamura is our head instructor. I also train at Yuki Nakai's Paraestra - Shooto & Brazilian Jui Jitsu Academy. At Guro Dan's seminar last month I'd say that we had about 100 people. Modern martial arts are filtering themselves into Japan slowly - but it's only the young people that are doing it. Older Japanese seem to have that country pride/Japanese martial arts are the only martial arts. What is funny to me is that it is very common to meet and instructor in say karate, that has a black belt in Judo, and Kendo. Or you'll meet an Aikido instructor that has a black belt in few other Japanese arts. Growing up doing martial arts in America - JKD people were the only people that I came in contact with that actually encouraged that. I do have to admit that it took me a while to find the newer more eclectic arts - but when I did - it all seemed to blow up in my face. Modern martial is actually growing very fast here. E-mail me if you are visiting soon and need help with finding places to do modern MA. Joe Take a look at the Community Please come in and take look at the Progressive Martial Arts Community Online. The community provides chat rooms, discussion sections, a place to upload and download martial arts related photos and files. It also has an events calendar so you'll know what's going on in your local area or an area that you'll be visiting. You can post your school events (such as martial arts seminars, tournaments, camps, clinics , etc?). The best thing about it is that it is being offered as a public service so it's Free. Click on the text below to check it out. http://mycomm.excite.com/mycomm/browse.asp?cid=.gJWmHPLR1FF Joe McCray Head Instructor Progressive Martial Arts Fussa-Shi Tokyo, Japan ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:04:08 EST Subject: eskrima: Mike Inay in Chicago A slightly belated thanks to Suro Mike Inay and all participants who made our seminar a success in Chicago. We look foward to bringing back again next year. Sid"Vicious" Stein Filipino Kali-Escrima Academy of Chicago/Defensor method of Fil/Indonesian m.a. Sidney525@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:11:01 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Chokes, Stab vs. Slash Observations on Chokes: In one of the styles of Penchak I studied, attacks to the neck were always neck breaks rather than chokes. Even in Pekiti-Tirsia, stick chokes are transition techniques used to set-up a neck break. One of my Pekiti Tirsia students also has 25 years experience in Ju-Jitsu. He tells me that he teaches locks and counter-locks mainly as a precursor to chokes, which are themselves precursors to neck brakes. Grappling is present in every country in the world. I would think the problem of grapplers with "unchokeable" necks has come up before. To brake a neck takes less time than to choke someone out. Chokes are relatively difficult to counter empty handed but fairly easy to counter if you have a knife. My question is, is an arts' emphasis on chokes rather than on neck braking a way to differentiate between a sport oriented martial art and a combat oriented martial art? Do other members of the digest have experience with both neck braking techniques and chokes in the same art and how are they used in conjunction with each other? Warning! Shameless commercial plug to follow. Pekiti-Tirsia stick chokes and neck brakes will be among the techniques I will be teaching at my seminar at the Inosanto Academy in Marina Del Ray, CA. Tuesday, February 23rd and Wednesday the 24th. The price is $50 per day (payable to the Inosanto Academy) and the seminar runs from 12 noon to 5 pm. Call the Inosanto Academy at: (310) 348-9944 for more information. Winter Clothing - Stab vs. Slash: A heavy Barong or Bolo or even a much smaller Bowie knife would make short work out of most winter coats or leather jackets, but few of us carry a weapon of such size on a daily basis. I use an arts' (especially a FMA's) emphasis on stabbing rather than on slashing as a way to differentiate whether the art was designed around a small knife like a Balisong or a large knife like a Barong. I have seen, read of and experienced myself too many failures to do great damage with a slash with a pocketknife even without winter clothing present to rely on a slash with a small pocketknife in the winter. I would not rely on a 4 inch or less blade to cut through a winter coat plus a layer or two of whatever clothing is underneath and still have enough length left to do sufficient damage with a slash to get the job done. A stab with a 4 inch knife, even through winter clothing, is still a four inch deep wound. A pocket knife is a rather poor substitute for a sword (no matter how much you wish it were otherwise). Just as a small caliber handgun round is less forgiving of bullet placement than a more powerful round, a slash with a pocketknife requires much more precise placement to get the job done than a large blade (a disarming cut with a Barong is really dis-arming!). I remember the "knife fighting" techniques developed during WWII by men who had studied western fencing. They taught parrying the opponent's knife blade-to-blade with their 7" Fairbane dagger- trying to use the very same techniques they learned with foil and epee' without modification. This is called "when all you have in your toolbox is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails." I see the same problem in FMA based arts when an instructor takes a stick or sword technique and teaches it unmodified as a technique one can use with a pocket knife. One should remember that sometimes a technique (especially in S.E. Asia) has two parts, one seen and one unseen. I saw one Penchak instructor giving a demo in which he used slashes with a small karambit that I didn't think would be effective. In response to a question he said, "Back home, my Karambit has poison on it. One scratch, 30 seconds and you're dead." How many westerners walk around with such a poison on their knives? And yet you could learn a technique that has an effective combat history without possessing an important piece that makes it work. As to what techniques to use with a knife in the winter: I don't feel comfortable describing knife techniques over the net, but the most obvious targets would be the face, throat and wrists which would have the least amount of clothing in the winter. There are nerves in the arm that are susceptible to stabbing. Also practice joint breaks like the straight arm bar that are not hindered by thick clothing. You will find yourself doing many of the things a knight or a samurai would do against an opponent in full armor, aiming for the gaps and braking joints. S.C.P. # 2 I will be teaching small knife techniques at the Honolulu, Hawaii Pekiti-Tirsia camp February 27 through March 2nd. For more info visit the PTI web site at: WWW.PEKITI-TIRSIA.COM Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:41:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #37 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.