From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #38 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 29 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 038 In this issue: eskrima: Seguidas eskrima: RE: Old Dead Soldiers eskrima: FMA Choke defense eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #37 eskrima: Re: neck breaks eskrima: Summercamp in Germany eskrima: Kelly Worden contact info [none] eskrima: McGrath post eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:32:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Seguidas I finally bought some Dog Brothers tapes and have some questions on the Seguidas from Tape 4. Are these usually practiced solo? Or are they primarily practiced with a partner feeding an attack, such as the seguida featuring punyo attacks? How prominent a role do they play in the curriculum? At the risk of starting a "we have that too" thread, the seguida with abaniko strikes was similar to the "Abaniko double action" combination (which is three abanikos to temples with two clearing strikes through centerline) that I learned in Baston-te (instructor's style of Modern Arnis). I'm still "recovering" from my intial viewing of these tapes; it blows my mind. And forcefully dispelled any idea that I could casually roll into Hermosa sometime and "try" full contact at a Gathering. It would take me months, more like a couple of years to gear up for something like that. Because I might be in condition physically, but no way am I anywhere near ready to deal with the pain or the mental aspect of that stuff. I mean, come on!! Two-handed punyos to the ribs!! Sticks WHOOSHING, left and right.!! I was ducking for cover, man. Ah well, another newbie exposed to Dog Bros... Another question, how do you motivate others to try this stuff with you? I'm not sure if showing them the tape is the best way, because it might freak them out as much as it did me! How soon do students in your school begin doing this? Great job to Crafty et al, Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:02:25 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Old Dead Soldiers From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:23:17 -0800 (PST) >Animal wrote: >>Remember the Roman general who said "You wound with the edge, you kill with >>the point." When they dug up old graves of soldiers they discovered healed >>slash wounds, but that what done 'em in most was the point. > >Howdy Animal, > While I agree with the adage you quote, I wonder about the >archeological evidence you cite. As you know, bone tends to fossilize >a lot better than flesh does. Healed slash wounds seem like they'd >be unlikely to show up a thousand or so years later unless they'd >slashed all the way into the bone. So did they find a lot of healed >bones that appeared to have been slashed earlier or is it something >else? I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm just interested. Actually, slashes and stabs both commonly leave marks on the bones. If you get a chance, there is a very good program about forensic detective work on the Discovery Channel which has alluded to this several times. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:52:58 EST Subject: eskrima: FMA Choke defense Mr. McGrath wrote: "Chokes are relatively difficult to counter empty handed but fairly easy to counter if you have a knife." I love this line! A classic display of a knife fighter's mentality. A keeper. Thanks, Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:20:21 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #37 > >From: "Leland Predon" >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:14 PST >Subject: eskrima: Re: Brass Knuckles > >I have Karate friends who use them. They are called teko (sp?). Arn't these the so called "ninja cat-claws" that have small hooks on the inside of the palm to aid climbing? - Now that would make a mess if used with a "Bitch Slap" BTW. With all the current talk on Catch Wrestling and Grappling could somebody please explain exactly what is meant by the term "Hooking" in this context (I'm assuming it doesn't refer to the boxing hook punch) Thanks in advance Jon... - --------------------------------------------- Jon Howard - jon@full-fat.com "The mind is like a parachute, they both work best when open" - --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: John Frankl Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:50:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: neck breaks Thanks to Tuhon McGrath for the discussion of various topics. I found the thread on neck breaks vs. chokes very interesting. Tuhon mentioned that breaking the neck is faster than choking and this would seem to make sense if the neck breaks. I wanted to ask, however, how easy/difficult it is to actually break the neck. Some friends of mine many years ago took the goat for an annual "goat roast" at school and tried to break its neck. it was already dead and so not resisting but it still took them about a half hour of various twisting and torquing. I am not a human or animal anatomy expert and so my question is, are goats' necks, like chmpanzees' arms, simply much stronger than human's? or is the neck break another "one punch kill" sort of technique--great if it works but usually doesn't. Finally, I realize Tuhon was also addressing stick work, the added leverage of a stick against the neck might make these techniques a lot more feasible. Looking forward to all opinions, John ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:48:41 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Summercamp in Germany Every 2 years the German Arnis Association (DAV) is conducting a summercamp in Germany. It happens again this summer. We are practicing Modern Arnis but other stylists are also welcome. It will last a week and usually 80 to 100 people take part. Even if you are from the US, think about it, one week of training and good fun with friendly people for a fair price. Just see the following invitation. If ou have any more questions don´t hesitate to e-mail me directly: Dieter Knüttel: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de I can send you the invitation also as a file to print out, when you mail me directly. I would be glad to see some of you here. INVITATION to the 6th International Modern Arnis Summercamp of the German Arnis Association, DAV 26th July - 1st August 1999, Hufhaus/Harzhöhe, Ilfeld, Germany Dear Arnis Friend! We invite you to the 6th International Modern Arnis Summercamp of the German Arnis Association (Deutscher Arnis Verband e.V.), DAV. It will be held in Summer 1999 "Hufhaus/Harzhöhe" near Ilfeld, Germany. This is between Hanover and Leipzig in the center of Germany. DATE It will be held from the 26th of July to the 1st of August 1999 Monday after lunch will be reserved for traveling to the camp. In the afternoon, there will be the first training session. The camp will end on Sunday with lunch, so that you have the afternoon to travel back home. TRAINER Datu Dieter Knüttel 6th Dan, Hans Karrer, Jorgen Gydesen, (both 4th Dan), Helmut Meisel, Alfred Plath, Peter Rutkowski, Michael Jux, (all 3rd Dan). There are possibly other trainer from Denmark, France and hopefully from the USA. The training will be held in german or english when necessary. ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD The house, Hufhaus/Harzhöhe, Ilfeld, will accommodate you in 6 Bungalow with 16 Beds. You will find a training hall, swimmingpool, volleyball-cort, a lot of free space around the house for outdoor training, which will favor, whenever the weather alows it. You will have 4 meals per day, so you will not starve. PRICE The fee for members of any Modern Arnis association, including training, accomodation and 4 meals per day: about 300$. For non-members it will be about 350$. A downpayment of 60 $ in advance has to be send to the account of the DAV. At the same time the registration form has to be send to John-Peter Foelsch, who organizes this camp. You find all the information at the end of this invitation. TRAINING AND GRADING There will be 4 to 8 hours of training a day. Most of the times several groups will be taught parallel, so that the groups are not too big. Every instructor will teach his specialities. We will hold special black belt classes as well as students and black belt examinations during the camp. If there are instructors from the USA, we will be glad to see their special techniques and training. Very importand: We will have a lot of fun training and want to learn from each other. LEISURE TIME In addition to the training we want of course to offer some nice activities like an evening at the fireplace, a BBQ-Party, theory, video evenings (or nights) and sight-seeing at some nice regional sights. AROUND THE CAMP There will only be 100 practicipants on the camp. The reservation for the camp will be in the order, as the applications will arrive at John-Peter Foelsch. Please use the application form at the end of this invitation. Abuse of alcohol or drugs will result in the immediate suspense from the camp. The organizer does not take any responsiblities on the camp. Everybody participates on his/her own risk. APPLICATION The application should be send to John-Peter Foelsch, by Mail or E-mail until the 17th of March 1999. In return you will receive detailed information about the training, activities and travel-information. Registration for the 6th International Arnis Summer Camp 26th of July to 1st August 1999 Hufhaus/Harzhöhe, Ilfeld, Germany Name : First Name : Street : Postcode/City : Country : Date of Birth : Tel. : Member of which national Arnis/Kali/Eskrima Association : Modern Arnis Degree : Degree in other Filipino MA : Please send this application form back to: John-P. Fölsch, Rosenhagen 7, 38100 Braunschweig, Germany Or by E-mail : John-Peter-Foelsch@t-online.de Downpayment of 100,-- DM (or 60,-- US$) sent at: .......................Date ... included as a cheque ... included as cash Please send the draft with the code-word "Summercamp 1999" to: Deutscher Arnis Verband e.V. Postgiroamt Hannover BLZ 250 100 30, Account Nr.: 605 860 -307 Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions European Modern Arnis Representative E-Mail: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de Internet: http://www.dao.com/abanico/ ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:06:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Kelly Worden contact info As some emailers have pointed out, I negelcted to post contact information for Kelly Worden in my post about his kerambit. Ah, well, sorry for posting in haste, but I needed badly to get out the door .... so here it is: Worden's Combative Asrts Assn, POB 64069, University Place, Wa. 98464-0069. His website: http://home.earthlink.net/~wordenk/ or you can email directly at wordenk@earthlink.com. Finally, (253)564-2867;fax(253)565-7108. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:13:26 -0800 Subject: [none] > While I agree with the adage you quote, I wonder about the >archeological evidence you cite. As you know, bone tends to fossilize >a lot better than flesh does. Healed slash wounds seem like they'd >be unlikely to show up a thousand or so years later unless they'd >slashed all the way into the bone. So did they find a lot of healed >bones that appeared to have been slashed earlier or is it something >else? It takes millions of years for things to turn into fossils. The Roman Empire wasn't THAT long ago! Though skeletal remains are most probable to be found, I'm sure some must have mummified or left enough leather on the bones to see scarring. Probably worth a visit to an archeological museum; maybe a website out there with the answer??? Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:21:31 -0800 Subject: eskrima: McGrath post >My question is, is an arts' emphasis on chokes rather than on neck braking >a way to differentiate between a sport oriented martial art and a combat >oriented martial art? Or a combat orientation vs. a liability situation (LEOs, for instance). >In response to a question he said, "Back home, my >Karambit has poison on it. One scratch, 30 seconds and you're dead." How does one carry such a lethal weapon on a daily basis without risk of scratching oneself? Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:39:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #38 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.