From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #39 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 29 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 039 In this issue: eskrima: NYC instructor eskrima: neck breaks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #38 eskrima: Tekko v. Brass Knuckles eskrima: RE: Old Dead Soldiers BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Dave Green" (fwd) eskrima: Re: cheap knives eskrima: Re: breaks /chokes /etc eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:43:16 -0800 Subject: eskrima: NYC instructor Yesterday I got to work out with my original training partner, Marc Sabin, who now lives and teaches in New York City. He and I go back to the late 70's, and were even roommates for awhile. Together we earned black belts in Kenpo and certification from Angel Cabales in Serrada, plus starting Tai Chi Chuan with the late John Wong. After 1990, while I focused on my FMA, Marc got deep into his Tai Chi, training extensively with Patrick Lee of SF, who is an expert in applications and push hands. Now for all the years Marc and I trained together, I always felt I could take the upper hand. No more. What I felt yesterday was an exceptional skill in entering and taking the center (Marc has won a national push hands championship, and is slightly smaller than me). I never once took his balance, and he had mine at will (and I've been told by WC and Aikido friends that I'm not too easy to move). Considering his background and knowledge, I would not want to tangle in close quarters with this guy. I would highly recommend anyone in NYC to look Marc up. He's not well known - yet, but what he can offer, especially on an empty hands level, is impressive. He can be reached at whitiger@slip.net. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:52:21 -0800 Subject: eskrima: neck breaks >I am not a human or animal >anatomy expert and so my question is, are goats' necks, like chmpanzees' >arms, simply much stronger than human's? or is the neck break another "one >punch kill" sort of technique--great if it works but usually doesn't. Gee, it always works in the movies, in about .10 second .... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:59:54 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #38 In a message dated 99-01-29 14:39:18 EST, you write: << Actually, slashes and stabs both commonly leave marks on the bones. If you get a chance, there is a very good program about forensic detective work on the Discovery Channel which has alluded to this several times. >> That's part of it. Also as you can see an old bone break that has healed on even a skeleton, you can see the same healing on slashes. What they figured however was since there was no healing around a majority of puncture wounds, that was what killed the guy. It's kind of scarey when scientists can tell you what killed a 3,000 year old mummy. Besides, you don't have to go all the way back to the Romans to see people killed with sharp pointy things. ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:18:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Tekko v. Brass Knuckles At 02:39 PM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Jon Howard" >Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:20:21 -0000 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #37 > >> >>From: "Leland Predon" >>Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:14 PST >>Subject: eskrima: Re: Brass Knuckles >> >>I have Karate friends who use them. They are called teko (sp?). > >Arn't these the so called "ninja cat-claws" that have small hooks on the >inside of >the palm to aid climbing? - Now that would make a mess if used with a "Bitch >Slap" No, the Tekko is not the same as the "ninja cat-claws". I can't remember what those are called at the moment, but they're two different beasts. One thing about the Tekko that I find preferable to brass knuckles, is that with brass knuckles each finger has an individual hole, but the Tekko is basically a steel rod with a "U" shaped steel "band" welded to it. The band is very firm and leaves plenty of room for all four finger...and yes...they do weld steel studs to the outside of the band. They hurt like hell to get hit with and my impression is that the Tekko is less likely to break the user's own knuckles than the brass knuckles. Tekko is a rarely seen/taught part of modern Okinawan Kobudo. One of their uses, as I was shown, is to make limb destructions feel a little extra-special. Like the Tekko, limb destructions are a part of karate that is rarely seen/taught today. FWIW. Dave. ------------------------------ From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:49:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Old Dead Soldiers "Allen Eastwood" wrote: >Actually, slashes and stabs both commonly leave marks on the bones... > Thanks Allen. That was what I was wondering about. stickman wrote: > It takes millions of years for things to turn into fossils. The Roman >Empire wasn't THAT long ago! Hello Jeff, I'm not sure whether a process of fossilization needs to have begun in order for bones to be intact after 1000 or more years but it's clear that flesh decays rather quickly and bones can stick around a lot longer. That was my seemingly obvious point. >Though skeletal remains are most probable to >be found, I'm sure some must have mummified or left enough leather on the >bones to see scarring. From what Allen says it seems the leather isn't necessary in most cases in order to find evidence of slash wounds. That's not what I would have guessed but then I'm not an archeologist or a forensic detective. Anyways it sounds like there's a lot more battlefield skeletons showing evidence of slashing and stabbing than there are battlefield mummies. Randy B. brannan@spawar.navy.mil P.S.- Those sticks and knives I bought from you last year are working out great. Nice work! ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:44:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Dave Green" (fwd) You are subscribed as william_david.green@virgin.net. Please correct. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Forwarded message: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:59:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Dave Green" ] From: "Dave Green" Subject: Hooking Hi all Jon asked about Catch Wrestling & the hook. Put simply a hook is a submission / break etc. Dave G Http://eskrima.cjb.net Wigan, England ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:21:28 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: cheap knives from leighans@aol.com................................dear folks......what is this about cheap knives dont cut as well as better quality ones?....gee, this tends to make me think that practitioners of a blade oriented art have failed to grasp one important concept......such as how to sharpen and maintain an edge.....there are only a few knives that come razor sharp out of the box......cold steel and spyderco being the only ones that come to mind.....even my boker applegate-fairbairn wasnt shaving sharp out of the box....nor were my gerbers.....but i have since remedied the problem........i know that some cheap blades(normally from india or pakistan) have really inconsistant tempers.....some wont take an edge, even after putting them on a grinder and others will take one easily, only to curl up onto itself........however, on a more practical note......the advantage of a cheap knife, is that if you have to lose it, it wont hurt your feelings or your pocketbook by doing so....i love the a-f, but i will be damned if i ever carry it in nyc only to end up having it confiscated or me having to ditch it because it was used.....a $20 knife is real easy to replace.....and you can abuse the daylights out of it and not feel guilty......if it has a lousy edge, go buy a mill bastard file and a decent sharpening stone......it works wonders on an edge.....even on a cheap knife....leighan ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:49:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: breaks /chokes /etc eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: In the ways I've learn it anyway, neck breaks and chokes are taught as different techniques though theres is a little overlap where certain chokes can be turned into breaks. Most direct form of puter kepala I know is a break my instructor calls "coconut breaking" ..rather than turning. I don't feel it would take much to screw the average person's neck up but good. Chokes have a purpose mostly in the one on one type of scenario were submission or control is desired but in real time vs. mutliple, or the potential for them, the 3-5 seconds (someone in very good skill! -at best once applied too) to dim the lights could spell a lifetime depending on the situation...remaining so static. Then switching from choking the arteries to pressing the windpipe often gets attention real quick (got to be careful there). ON the brass knuckles and blackjacks / saps - again check your local laws more often then not they're illegal. The Tekko is a different weapon than the "Ninja hand spikes". Like a steel palm stick with a metal band that loops over all four forefingers with knobs jutting out of the band. << How does one carry such a lethal weapon on a daily basis without risk of scratching oneself? >> With the same care one handles a loaded firearm or curare coated arrow points ;) Regards, Travis Kilap@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #39 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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