From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 2 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 045 In this issue: eskrima: Bouncers eskrima: 4 inch blade eskrima: Getting Older eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #44 eskrima: a,b,c,d,e,f, GYI!!!!!! eskrima: RE:Hilot/Apology eskrima: "Get tough" eskrima: Re: Knife fighting eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #44 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #41 eskrima: Re: blade length eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:36:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Bouncers In a message dated 99-02-01 17:35:34 EST, you write: << Which is pretty scary when you've seen the bozo brigade in action as much as I have and know that is exactly what they need. >> I'm guessing Marc M. wrote this? Am I correct? If so, remember the member of the bozo brigade working the bar in Missoula that time. We sat there watching a situation escalate, wondering why the bozo didn't come over and stop things in the beginning. But hey, it wasn't our job, we were just out for the night. This post was very correct. The best bouncers fight the least, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:47 EST Subject: eskrima: 4 inch blade In a message dated 99-02-01 17:35:34 EST, you write: << Could you please give us the citation for the Federal Law that you are referring to regarding the 4" length blade and concealed carry. >> I'm not at the law library right now, so I can't check federal law. Montana Law is this. Montana Code Annotated 45-8-316 Carrying concealed weapons. Every person who carries or bears concealed upon his person a dirk, dagger, pistol, revolver, slingshot, sword cane, billy, knuckles made of any metal or hard substance, knife having a blade 4 inches long or longer, razor, not including a safety razor, or other deadly weapon shall be punished by a fine........ That last catagory can be just about anything, since Montana's definition of a weapon is very broad. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:21:11 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Getting Older Age has been shown to decrement 3 components of physical ability: endurance, strength and speed in that order. According to some sources, speed is the least affected. According to our lifestyle, we can moderate the curve of degeneration for all three factors. If what we see in the old masters of FMA and other fighting systems can be taken as markers for a norm, we should expect to be able to maintain speed as physiological research has shown we should. Use it or lose it. Problem is how to use it ... and smooth is where it's at. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: adrowell@webtv.net (Arthur Rowell) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:39:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #44 If anyone is interested in seeing "functional" taiji, then I suggest you pick up some of Erle Montaigue's videos. This guy shows a side of taiji that is simple brutal. He teaches the old Yang style that was passed down from Yang Lu-chan, the man who made taiji famous as a fighting art. As I understand it, the taiji slow form wasn't meant so much to teach fighting as it was to increase and preserve health for fighting. Yang Cheng-fu changed the slow form so that the general public, including the old, could gain the health benifits of taiji. This is the form that has become so popular today. Their are some less well known fast two man forms that were used to teach the principals of fighting such as the Pauchui cannon fist form, the Lung Har Chuan, and the San Sau fighting form. These were used similar to the two man drills in arnis. They were not just techniques, but means of developing attributes for fighting. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: a,b,c,d,e,f, GYI!!!!!! A Howl of Greeting to All: Just a brief report on the Dr. Gyi seminar on the Dhanda Staff held at the Inosanto Academy on Saturday evening: This past Saturday evening (Sunday would have conflicted with the Superbowl) the Inosanto Academy was proud to host a seminar by the legendary Dr. Gyi, GM of the Bando system. Attendance was very strong, including Dogzilla, Surf Dog, theTree That Walks, C-Pappy Dog and yours truly of the Dog Brothers. Guro Inosanto, as he always does concerning Dr. Gyi, made sure to be in town so he could attend. Apart from his formidable history and skills as a warrior, Dr. Gyi is an unusually learned man, holding multiple PhDs in various areas and speaks an extraordinary array of languages quite fluently. He recently has been translating some ancient manuscripts concerning the Dhanda Staff, the earliest records of which can be dated to 500 BC in India. Dr. Gyi eloquently described and made come alive for us the life of a fighting man in ancient days: "Foot soldiers in ancient times had to walk, march, or run an average of 15-20 miles a day over rugged terrain and then fight for several hours. Very often they were forced to engage in a full day of battle in harsh environment. Physical strength, speed and stamina were necessary to survive the battle. Without modern weapons, equipment, medical treatment and transportation systems, they had to be self reliant on the fighting and survival skills. To a foot soldier, the staff readily transformed from a walking stick into a formidable weapon such as a spear, lance, spike and so on." He pointed out that those 15-20 miles a day involved carrying everything one needed for the campaign (months?). The Dhanda Staff, adopted by Bando system of Burma by 300 AD, is a system of exercises with 6 purposes in mind: 1) Strength: Special exercises 2) Stamina: exhaustion and fatigue are reduced, and endurance increased, the healing process is fomented 3) Speed: 4) Stability: 5) Suppleness: 6) Senses: including preparation for battle These exercises were done (in our case at any rate) with a staff of 6 feet, and included how to do so in formation without clocking or poking one's neighbor. With the image of marching 20 miles a day, day after day in mind we could easily envision being tired, stiff and sore, and the importance of a body of wisdom for helping keep and army fit and healthy. It was this portion of the Dhanda staff on which Dr. Gyi focused the evening's material. As Dr. Gyi proceeded, it became clear that these exercises were very yoga like, indeed, much of yoga descended from them! Those of you familiar with "the Warrior Poses" for example, if you picture them done with a 6 foot staff draped across the shoulders, will begin to get the idea. It would take too long to relate with clarity, but it was very, very neat. I have dabbled with yoga on and off over the years, but with only moderate success. As I mentioned in a post very recently, I have had problems of alignment due to an injury for the past several years, but with the Dhanda Staff exercises, the staff always made it clear where straight and center were and allowed me to get a far superior leverage and I got for more out of them than I ever did before. My hips, lower back, and shoulders felt absolutely great and these exercises are now part of my personal routine. There was much, much more, (e.g. some mudras) far too much to relate, but an absolutely magical evening for me and I suspect everyone else. Dr. Gyi's presence is profound and inspiring. The next morning, there was a small seminar for Dr. Gyi's student Mike May's school in El Segundo (310-414-9222.) Again the Dhanda staff was covered as was material the Dr. Gyi, as part of the famous Chindit (sp?) battalion taught to Merrill's Rangers in their WW2 mission behind Japanese lines in the Burmese theatre. I learned this when I asked him if the Chindits had been assigned to MRs. "No" he replied, "They were attached to us. We were under General Mountbatten" (I hope I have this right) Any way, Dr. Gyi related how a 5 foot staff was part of the issued gear of every one of Merrill's Rangers. If you're going to go hiking through the Burmese Jungle for a couple of months, with 80 pounds or so on your back, its pretty handy to have a staff as you go across that mountain during a rainstorm, or need to probe for landmines, improvise a stretcher for a sick or wounded comrade, or toss a snake out of the way, etc. Dr. Gyi showed the strikes to all directions that were taught for when a CQ ambush didn't give time to draw firearms. The power of Dr. Gyi's thrusting technique with the staff is frightening to behold. Its very hard to believe that he is 74 years old. At lunch afterwards, I got his input on some things I've been working on, and instantly he was right at the essence and helped orient my thinking. Anyway, I begin to blather, but it was very, very cool. My deepest thanks to Dr. Gyi Woof, Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:25:40 EST Subject: eskrima: RE:Hilot/Apology In a message dated 2/1/99 10:00:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:07:14 EST Subject: eskrima: Hilot Someone else was inquiring about this so I'll add my question to his. Is there any material out there book, video, website that has info. on hilot ? Or secondarily, is some of the info. on hilot related to shiatsu or trad. Chinese medicine so by studying those discilplines one could get a clue on hilot >> Hello folks, I am back finally for a long sleepy Months. In regards on Hilot book, there published the first one ever published on the book of Hilot in title (The healing hands of Hilot massages) in California I cannnot find the name who's the author. I think one of them is Evangelista the last name. He e-mail me the info. Just came out Last January 7, 1999.,,,,, Inquire in Filipinas Magazines I am sure they have this info. To all Friends and brothers in the FMA , I am sorry for not replying on your past e-mail. If you could e-mail me again and I will promise I will answer all the questions you may have. As a Chef, Opening the big Hotel in the middle of the Holidays and Superbowl is not that easy. So I put a lot hours at work organizing and planning, so I hope I have not loss your trust on this process. Have a very wealthy New Year. Gumagalang at Humihingi ng Paumanhin (Respect and Apology ) Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:07:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: "Get tough" ><< .capt > fairbairn put out a book called 'get tough'.....it is very very basic > stuff....but the interesting part is the diagram of the human body withe the > major arteries and veins.......he lists the depths below the skin surface and > approximate time for death to follow.....dont really know how valid it is >> > >greetings to all..... >in regards to the above book.... does anybody know how valid it is??? >also can anybody else recommend any books with similar information?? > I recall seeing the info in the book. I always wondered how the actual figures were obtained... Anyway, the anatomy is fairly straightforward: You can hit all the major arteries (carotid, femoral, brachial, radial and probably popliteal) with a 1-1/2" needle without having to bury it in to the hilt. 8" inch blade is a bit of an overkill here. The important thing is to hit the artery, not the vein alone (they are close together and a good slash will probably get them both, but not necessarily, as I believe happened to a hockey goalie cut with a skate). The vein will bleed relatively slowly and the guy will continue to do damage for a while. As for the times to death or loss of consciousness I cannot be sure. All I can say that it takes about 6 seconds for the consciousness to be lost afer the heart stops. It is quite unnerving to see a flat line on the monitor while the patient is still talking. Presumably the mechanism of syncope with the carotid artery slash is similar, i.e. cutting off the circulation to the brain (the contralateral carotid artery will go into spasm). With the other arteries one relies more on shock and exsanguination so the syncope onset will be much later. My only experience with a major bleed from a femoral artery is that one can keep the person alive by pressure on the bleeding site for a long enough time to get other measures going. I am not sure this would work with the carotid. This is incidentally relevant to the recent thread on what kind of blade one needs to get the heart with. Heart is difficult to hit, particularly in young and fit people even when they keep still. I would have thought the above targets were preferrable. The longer blade will come into its own in an attack to the abdomen or back where it will be able to reach abdominal aorta with effect similar to that of cutting a major artery. I would have thought this easier than trying to reach the heart through the ribs or the diaphragm. Of course if the blade is really *big*, decapitation may be an option...There can only be one!:-) Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:02:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife fighting In a message dated 2/1/99 5:34:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My first Silat teacher, Brandt Bollers, always says "Your knife should be long enough to reach to the bottom of a peanut butter jar." Todd >> Todd, I respect the idea of your first instructor. In knife fighting we believed (Garimot System) it not how big or small your knife, is how accurately, effectively, safely you can diliver the knife techniques. I could tell you a lot of instructor have different logic explanation in knife fighting. How good can you used the big knife or how good can you used the small knife ? This is not the question, the real question is, how to survive in this kind of fights. On my experience, I believe the smaller the knife the harder to be recognize as weapon. So I was trained to be aware in any fights that my opponent have a weapons, if he does I have prepared myself already the outcome of the scenario, be very carefull. Dont take it for granted small knife can cause big damages, cutting and slicing muscle, tendon and arteries. I hope I have not touch your brain and ego on negative way , I hope you will take this as a pieces of advice. Be carefull out there be alert at all times. Dont be fool by your own emotion. Gumagalang (with Respect) Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Founder of Garimot Arnis System Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:29:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #44 My cousin's boyfriend is a very big guy (6'5" with frame to match) and strong (i.e. benches about 450 ten times, etc.) he used to be a boson's mate in the navy. He was a bouncer and had the typical attitude of I can handle myself (=I don't need to learn anything). He has never said anything about the martial arts except from a few off comments about tae kwon do but I suspect that he didn't really believe it was very effective. Thought of it as mostly a joke. Anyway he was working at a bar and a couple of guys were being obnoxious. He went over to throw them out but one of the guys was a small Filipino. He said that they would keep it down. But my cousin's boyfriend said it was to late and grabbed the guy to throw him out. The guy just grabbed his hand and pinned it to the table with one hand. My cousin's boyfriend said that he couldn't move his arm no matter what he did and that this guy could have killed him without much effort. Someone called the cops so the guy left peacefully. He told me he has never been so scared in his life. He quit bouncing after that incident and has a new respect for martial arts. Jeff M. ------------------------------ From: jmfrankl Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 00:40:24 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #41 >I haveseen 2 fighting style knives thatI would appreciate any info >on.They are both made by R.E.K.A.T. I think. One is the "Pocket >Hobbit", the other is the "Escalator". If you have seen these or had an >opportunity to test these out I would like to know what you thought of >them. They are semi high dollar items and I don't care to buy something >that is not practical and useful. Thanks for any help. >Tommy Baker > watuswarrior@webtv.net > >----- I am fairly sure that the knives are high-quality. My concern would be legal issues. Crafty's post made sense because is folder has a utility look. The pocket hobbit looks like a fighter--nothing else. This makes it hard to explain why you are carrying it. John ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:45:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: blade length Dr. Barber, Darned if I can find that reference now. I did come across a reference to NYC penal code that prohibits knives in excess of 4". Perhaps I confused the two. I will continue to search and I will post my findings. Glenn ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.