From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #46 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 2 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 046 In this issue: eskrima: armor eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 eskrima: NetForce eskrima: Taiji eskrima: Aloha Online News (fwd) eskrima: Paging Todd Ellner eskrima: RE: Tai Chi Fighting eskrima: Re: just a thought or so eskrima: RE: Arteries and knives eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:59:35 -0700 Subject: eskrima: armor Al Sardinas wrote (in response to Tuhon McGrath's comments about armor): "However as I get older, slower and hopefully wiser, I know that armor will not enhance any skill or courage. The only thing it will give you is a BIG false sense of security." This theme seems to come up repeatedly on this list, and I must say that its a mystery to me. Armor only gives you a false sense of security if you ignore what the hit "would" have meant. Let me propose the following scenarios: 1) Student "A" wears no protective gear, since he doesn't belive in it. He attempts a basic block against full power attack, has poor technique, and takes the blast directly on his stick hand. His hand swells, maybe a busted bone or two, and he can't really use it. Thus, no more practice for a month or two (with that hand, anyway). 2) Student "B" does exactly the same thing with protective gloves on. He takes the same shot on the same hand. Nothing is injured but his pride. He looks for the error in his technique, and attempts to correct it. Maybe he still gets hit the next two times. Finally, he finds the error in his positioning, and gets it right. He does 100 more reps, and pretty soon, gets it right most times. He practices this way every day for the next two months, along with other techniques. Pretty soon he can do it without the gloves. Two months later, whose skill has been enhanced? One could argue that you can start at a slower speed and build up, and that does work. But for me, full speed/full power always looks a little different when you first see it. Steve Wolk swolk@nexstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:26:01 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 [on knives that should reach to the bottom of peanut butter jars] >I respect the idea of your first instructor. So do I. His technique is really ugly, but he's had a horrific amount of experience and survived more bad shit than I care to even contemplate. I disagree with him from time to time, but never lightly. > In knife fighting we believed (Garimot System) it not how big or small your >knife, is how accurately, effectively, safely I don't think anyone is disputing this. Hitting with a .22 is better than missing with a .45. But if you can hit with the .45 you are much better off. Yes, we worked with tiny little knives, even staples and toothpicks from time to time. But the discussion was about preferences. >I could tell you a lot of instructor have different logic >explanation in knife fighting. Indeed. The reason I studied with this particular gentleman is that what he does he has had to make work. Repeatedly. I have a great deal more respect for that than for any "logic explanation". >I hope I have not >touch your brain and ego on negative way , I hope you will take this as a >pieces of advice. Hardly. >Be carefull out there be alert at all times. Dont be fool by your own emotion. The really difficult part is being alert without becoming exhausted, paranoid, and jumping at shadows. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:59:46 EST Subject: eskrima: NetForce Anyone who checked out the first half of the ABC TV movie NetForce know if any of the silat or eskrima was featured? I heard it was omitted altogether even though it's presence was throughout the Clancy book. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:45:44 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Taiji At 10:09 AM 2/2/99 -0500, Arthur Rowell wrote: >If anyone is interested in seeing "functional" taiji, then I suggest you >pick up some of Erle Montaigue's videos. This guy shows a side of taiji >that is simple brutal. He teaches the old Yang style that was passed >down from Yang Lu-chan, the man who made taiji famous as a fighting art. >As I understand it, the taiji slow form wasn't meant so much to teach >fighting as it was to increase and preserve health for fighting. Yang >Cheng-fu changed the slow form so that the general public, including the >old, could gain the health benifits of taiji. This is the form that has >become so popular today. Their are some less well known fast two man >forms that were used to teach the principals of fighting such as the >Pauchui cannon fist form, the Lung Har Chuan, and the San Sau fighting >form. These were used similar to the two man drills in arnis. They >were not just techniques, but means of developing attributes for >fighting. Hi Arthur, I'm not sure where you got some of your information but, to the best of my knowledge, the "cannon fist" form is from Chen Taiji (Chen Village Taiji) and is not part of Yang style. It's also a solo form that teaches the expression of fajing (explosive power). Lung Har Chuan and San Sau Fighting Form don't sound like traditional taiji forms either. As for taiji's two man drills, you have push hands. There's a fair amount of info on the web that should help clarify this matter. HTH Dave. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Aloha Online News (fwd) Aloha.... IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!! A start-up Internet company is giving away free stock - 100,000 pre-IPO shares (similar to what Yahoo did) to 10 lucky winners. That's 10,000 shares of stock each! The website address to register http://www.exit23b.com Please use burt@aloha-enterprises.com as your referral. Thanks and Good Luck! TOURNAMENTS/SEMINARS Celebrity Seminars with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace scheduled in Northern California - February 11th at Smith's Shorin Ryu in Concord (925)827-9946 - February 12, at Pine Waves Karate Academy in Fremont, CA. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:16:48 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Tai Chi Fighting > Subject: eskrima: Re: Tai Chi Fighting > I saw in an interview that Punong Guro Edgar Sulite studied > and practiced Tai > Chi. > He didn't go much into detail about principels he used from > it, but talked > mostly about how it helped him relax, espically before sparring. > Does anyone from Lamenco have any insight into weather or not > PG Sulite was > using body mechanics or internal energy applications from Tai > Chi when he > taught or when he was fighting? I remember PG Sulite talking about his tai chi and showing some stuff after a seminar a few years back in El Paso. I've got kind of my own theory about "internal" power. Based on everything I've seen, and experienced, I'm not sure that internal power is anything more than a very sophisticated and advanced use of body mechanics and focus. That's not to say that I do not think that "internal" arts are not effective, on the contrary, I've found the philosophy and techniques very useful. I just do not think that there's any mystical or supernatural qualities to the phenomenon. From a personal perspective, I was working out with someone a few months back who commented on the amount of power I was generating. I'm always intrigued by that sort of thing as I try to relax and just keep up. Of course, I do have more than my fair share of extra body mass (less than I used to, thanks Marc for that recommendation about the Zone diet!!), but I seems to have always been pretty good at getting it around. So, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's take, especially if you have studied internal and external, and also Jeff, if you want to comment, I'd be really interested in seeing what your take is on the difference. Thanks! - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:47:29 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: just a thought or so from:leighans@aol.com i realize that there are some folks who study martial arts for professional betterment(such as leo, soldiers, bouncers,etc)........and some as a hobby, form of fitness,even as a last resort for protection(and any other reasons not mentioned or thought of).........from a self defence pov, both my father and instructor always taught that the best defence was simply not being there.....it is pretty hard to intercept a punch or stab if you are not in the area.........i believe the saying goes....she who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.......but there are also certain factors which restrict us from using that option........as an leo, i am bound by duty and other things to intervine and defuse the stuation, if possible....but regardless, i have to stay and DO something......retreat is not an option for us........for those of us who have families, again we must do something..........ideally we would love to flee to safety with our loved ones, but we cant........my son and daughter are simply not capable of outrunning me at their young age........and what kind of parent would leave their children in a situation like that to begin with?........obviously, i would have to stay to do whatever was needed to insure they were able to reach safety.......ok, say you dont have the young ones to look after............you are out with your significant other?.......would you honestly abandon one you care about?.................if so, it really doesnt say much for your character.........there is a world of difference between doing what is the right and honorable thing and just looking for trouble.........i realize that fma is not just sticks and knives, but because they are included and focused upon more than in other arts, we need to be sure of our intentions before we act......with a simple punch, you will hurt someones pride and possibly their body(depending on the strike), but the permanency of what you have done will fade in a few days....blackeyes do go away, broken bones do mend......but with a weapon, it is very hard to undo the damage....yeah, cuts heal......but suppose you hamstring someone?......the cut heals, but there is a lasting effect.....or if you kill you opponent, you wont be able to come back by a few days later and see that person doing something else.....only on television do the effects of knives and bullets and other such toys have no lasting results.......with this in mind, the time to make your decision of action is before you engage, not while engaged........if you cannot enter with a clean conscience of what you are about to do, you should stop and rethink your action........but when you can do so, you should enter with complete and utter commitment so that you will be the victor.........a true warrior protects those who cannot protect themselves......they are not common bullies and thugs. as far as cheap knives and thugs go, i dont know if the lowlifes there are so unsuccessful as to not be able to afford anything better or not........but here in new york city, especiall the grand concourse in the bronx, it is not uncommon to see these same persons walking around with cold steel knives and other quality blades.....point is, dont understimate your opponent in anything.......he may have just gotten his blade at the same place you did......leighan ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:02:29 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Arteries and knives > Anyway, the anatomy is fairly straightforward: You can hit > all the major > arteries (carotid, femoral, brachial, radial and probably > popliteal) with a > 1-1/2" needle without having to bury it in to the hilt. 8" > inch blade is a I think a few things bear mentioning here. Arteries are pretty damn hard things to hit. When I worked in the trauma center, I saw at least a dozen stab wounds to the neck. Of them all, only one even slightly nicked the carotid. Furthermore, having done a few arterial sticks and a-lines, you have to get the damn thing in just the right spot. Then you have to penetrate this nice, tough layer of fascia to get through. An IV, which goes in the veins, slides in with a barely palpable "pop". An arterial stick, on the other hand, have a very distinct pop as you get through the fascia and then the much thicker and more muscular walls of the artery itself. Arteries also have a tendency to be shielded by bony structures. For instance, the radial, which we see people taking pulses at or try to cut in suicide attempts, this sucker is pretty much buried between the radial wrist bone on one side and a nice strong tendon on the other. To effective slash across it, you'd have to at least cut the tendon first just to get down to it. Even when the artery has to run over an area without bone to protect it, it's generally buried pretty deep. So, yes, they are not very deep in comparison to a knife blade, but they are very well protected. I think sometimes it's easy to be overly optimistic about one's chances of causing enough effective damage to an artery to cause severe enough bleeding out to matter that soon. >It is quite unnerving to see a flat line on > the monitor > while the patient is still talking. Well, unless the damn leads fell off. But, yes, it does take a while after cessation of a pulse to see the effects in many cases. I've also seen people with all kinds of funky, you-should-be-dead rhythms talking like nothing was wrong and having not a complaint. Then there was the lady with a perfect sinus rhythm who was coding like nobodies business. > Presumably the mechanism of syncope with the carotid artery slash is > similar, i.e. cutting off the circulation to the brain (the > contralateral > carotid artery will go into spasm). With the other arteries > one relies more > on shock and exsanguination so the syncope onset will be much > later. Hmm, I'm not too sure what difference arterial spasms would make if the artery is severed. Most of the difference in effects is due to the fact that when the body goes into shock, the first thing that shuts down is peripheral circulation, so as to preserve blood flow to the brain. > person alive by pressure on the bleeding site for a long > enough time to get > other measures going. I am not sure this would work with the carotid. It someone's done an OJ on a person, well, there ain't much you can do. But for what I'd refer to as the "average" stab wound to the neck, pressure is a good thing in most cases. >Heart is difficult to hit, A major reason I don't consider it much of a target. > reach abdominal > aorta with effect similar to that of cutting a major artery. Heck, there are much better targets that are not near so deep or well protected. I'm not sure that I feel entirely comfortable talking too much about what my preferred targets are and why, for many of the same reasons others don't show knife techniques on the net. However, I will say that I think you need to have a really good understanding of the structure of the human body and devise your strategic thinking accordingly. >Dont take it for granted small > knife can cause big > damages, cutting and slicing muscle, tendon and arteries. I keep hearing the older Guro's repeating this. I'm beginning to wonder if they are seeing a "magic knife" syndrome? On the topic of carrying. In the US, it's far more acceptable to carry a gun then a knife for self-defense. Now mind you, I'm a big believer in armed societies. On general principle, I agree with the concept. However, I think that you're also asking for trouble. If you do use it, then you've got face trying to get 12 people to understand why. And face it, a knife has a sinister, evil sort of impression in many people's minds. What are the legal pros and cons of a knife over a gun? Also, just a general feeling...if you carry a weapon, there is the possibility of developing a dependence on that weapon. Do you ever consider the situation in which you are attacked and get creamed while you're busily trying to draw? Personally, I think it's much more valuable to have your reactions tuned to using what's most immediately available, empty-hands. Thoughts? Thanks! - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:48:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #45 A Howl of Greeting to All: > Age has been shown to decrement 3 components of physical ability: > endurance, strength and speed in that order. "Decrement?" I'm not familiar with this term. Is it related to excrement, e.g. one is no longer full of excrement, one is decremented? Or is this a college educated term for "decrease"? ;-) Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #46 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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