From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #49 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 4 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 049 In this issue: eskrima: Seminar in Modernized Phillippine Martial Arts eskrima: Tapado eskrima: re: Tapado eskrima: RE: Animal on knives and arteries eskrima: Re: Kris question eskrima: RE: Small knives and training under stress eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #48 eskrima: disarms, kicks, Dayton eskrima: Pencak Silat Seminar - March 20-21 Portland Oregon eskrima: Merrill's Marauders eskrima: re Tai Chi and Internal Strength eskrima: various rambling thoughts eskrima: San Sau = San Shou eskrima: "Internal Power" eskrima: Artery eskrima: Decrement eskrima: a need for good rattan eskrima: re functional Tai Chi eskrima: FMA Instructor Albany, NY eskrima: Re: Dr Gyi eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "big Joe A." Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:24:19 PST Subject: eskrima: Seminar in Modernized Phillippine Martial Arts Sorry there are a few corrections that I had to make to my earlier seminar post. A two day seminar in Modernized Phillippine Martial Arts, being taught by it's founder Norlito B. Soriano will be conducted on March 13th and 14th in San Jose, California. It wil be held at: Solari Community Center 3590 Cas Drive San Jose , California 95111 Fee: $80 per full day for participants /$20 per day for spectators Topics Covered : Day 1 will be an intensive 8 hour session starting at 10a.m. The first half will cover the basic angles of attack and basic defenses of the Visayas Style of stickfighting. During the second half of the 8 hour session we will cover the preset sparring lesson. All equipment will be provided. This day is open to the public. Day 2 will cover intermediate and advanced lessons of the visayas style of stickfighting. This day is only open to current and former students of Mr. Soriano. Equipment needed : Some loose comfortable clothing , tennis shoes ,cup is optional for males. All sticks will be provided no hardwood or synthetic sticks allowed. For more Info. contact: Joe Artigas (408)266-2931 or E-mail me at Ninjoe@hotmail.com If I'm not there please leave a message and I will get back to you as soon as possible. - -----------*********Absolutely NO cameras Allowed******-------------- P.S. Space is Limited So reserve now. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon K Curtis" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:54:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Tapado Hi, I'm planning on purchasing a 4 foot rattan staff to do some work with a weapon of this length. I was thinking about getting one with an 1 1/4" diameter. Does this seem like a good size to work with? How many of you guys train the FMA with the longer weapon? I have done very little, other than converting some of the box pattern/sumbradas to the two-handed weapon. Any training advice or links would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ~Kev ------------------------------ From: "Jon K Curtis" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:05:18 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: Tapado Oh yeah......It would be really neat if we could get Ajarn Salty to discuss the similarities and differences between Krabi Krabong's two-handed weaponry with Tapado. Thanks again! ~Kev ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:02:11 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Animal on knives and arteries > That's why you wiggle the blade and carve your way out. That > small rocking > motion after you've gone in is critical as even if you missed > the artery. By > waving the blade around in his innards it tends to cause more > damage and > rectify your mistakes > > Animal *grin* Of course, Animal! I think my issue with what I've seen in a lot of knife techniques is a tendency to believe that the knife will do much more damage than it actually does. That's why I mentioned the "magic" knife. Along the same vein as when crafty talks about the magic stick. Another concept that I like very much is "hitting" with the knife. That is to say that your thrusting techniques are backed up with the same kind of power as your punches. Every so often, in sparring empty hands, I pretend that I'm holding a knife and focus on making thrusts. Not only does it give me some time to work on another mindset, but I've gotten several comments on how hard that hit actually is. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: tony pfeiffer Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:14:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kris question I just acquired what is obviously a Muslem (formerly known as Moro) Kris with a hand-forged blade -- looks like a looser version of damascus (not as many folds?). My question is anybody care to venture a guess as to how common these are? I've seen many spring steel or at least not folded metal ones. age? ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:11:55 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Small knives and training under stress > From: Lonnie Pollard > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #46 > >His > preference for the > small blade came much from his own knowledge of the extra > difficulty of > disarming a small blade The preference for a smaller knife is something that I've heard repeatedly from some older instructors and certainly has contributed to my own preferences. Another thing that comes to mind is something that Stickman told me back in October, if you practice in a area xxx big, under stress, you perform xxxxxx big. But if you keep your practice in an area x big, under stress it's only xxx big. >engaging targets under stress > (i.e. after being > hit with a stun gun, or having people firing blank guns over > your head, etc), I think this is an important thing to remember. Yeah, if you could train on the street, you'd probably have a much higher skill. On the other hand, look at the number of people who die on the streets. As much as I enjoy personally full/Real-contact stick fighting, and as much as I believe in it for what it's done for my skill set, I think that there are a number of ways and tools to help students develop those skill without necessarily putting them in danger or being so hard on them that they quit before the conditioning can set in. Yet you still preserve the essence of the art you are trying to impart. Just my $0.02 worth. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:56:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #48 Yip: > I think that Crafty was just -trying- to be funny... :) > > As we know, decrement/increment are very commonly used words. > > Ray Terry And obviously not succeeding-- I even got private e-mail on this , , , Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:51:10 -0800 Subject: eskrima: disarms, kicks, Dayton >All of the dissarms were of the accidental type, and all were a "snake" >type dissarm of some kind. Lots of times people hold their stick out where it can be grabbed, or their attack can be timed. In either case, stripping or twisting the weapon out of their grip is a possibility. Heck yes you can hit the leg; the stick is faster and feels less pain. Most folks will quit sticking their leg out there so readily. It takes timing, but that's why you are supposed to monitor the opponent's other weapons, natural or not, to pick up the next attack. Mike Dayton: Originally he was from Concord, in Contra Costa (CoCo) County in the Bay Area (California). I've heard he still lives out there. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:41:12 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Pencak Silat Seminar - March 20-21 Portland Oregon Text kindly prepared by Steve Perry (sperry@teleport.com): Take heed, this is a commercial ad, I'm not trying to sneak any spam past anybody, so if this kind of thing bothers you, please stop reading now: After all the hoopla of late about silat here on the newsgroup, you might or might not have had your curiosity roused. If so, consider this: On March 20th & 21st, 1999, senior Guru Steve Plinck and Guru-Sifu Cass Magda will offer a seminar on Pentjak Silat and Kali, presented by the Stark Street Academy of Kung Fu, in Portland, Oregon. The sessions will run from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., both Saturday and Sunday. Cost will be $70 for one day, $100 for two, there is a 30% discount for additional family members, and a group rate is available. Plinck and Magda are two of the most well-respected and adept silat teachers in the U.S., and they have written articles, produced best-selling videos, and given seminars around the world. Guru Plinck is a very senior practitioner in Pukulan Pentjak Silat Serak, and in addition to silat, Guru-Sifu Magda is a qualified instructor in Kali-Escrima and Jeet Kune Do. If you want a recommendation, ask anybody who has had an opportunity to train with either guru. These two know their stuff -- between them, they've got well over fifty years of experience in the arts. So, if you are wondering what all the fuss is about, you might consider this hands-on opportunity to see and practice one of southeast Asia's most interesting fighting systems. You don't need to be a student of silat, any serious martial artists are welcome, but class size will be limited, and for insurance reasons, participants are required to bring a mouthpiece and a protective cup. For registration or further information, contact: Todd Ellner, at tellner@cs.pdx.edu (503)493-4431, or the Stark Street Academy of Kung Fu (503) 254-1478, 7841 S.E. Stark, Portland, OR 97215. ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:14:05 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Merrill's Marauders Mr. Crafty wrote: > Dr. Gyi, as part of the famous Chindit (sp?) >battalion taught to Merrill's Rangers in their WW2 mission behind Japanese >lines in the Burmese theatre. I learned this when I asked him if the >Chindits had been assigned to MRs. "No" he replied, "They were attached to >us. We were under General Mountbatten" (I hope I have this right) Has Dr. Gyi written any books on his military experiences with the Chindits? Please post titles, if any... BTW, one of the few films on the CBI theatre, specifically on Merrill's Marauders, was filmed in the Phil. in the '60's... Ray Terry (we're not worthy, we're not worthy) wrote: > focus on only the bad stuff. By this I mean be such a kung fu master that you > see sunsets, butterflies and kittens as well as assissins lurking in the > bushes. >Samurai kittens??? :) no, ninja vixens... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "JYCHOW.AU.ORACLE.COM" Date: 03 Feb 99 15:57:07 +1100 Subject: eskrima: re Tai Chi and Internal Strength My coment concerning Allen's queries:- > on PG Edgar Sulite and TAi Chi > PG Sulite learnt Wu Style in Philippines. He also knows a little Hsing Yi and Yi Chuan from Master David in Binondo (Manila's Chinatown). PG Sulite and I exchanged some secrets when I visited him in 1993 in LA. He showed me how he train his internal power from Hsing Yi. He said he has shown only 1 person prior. Don't know how many he has shown since then.= >I'm not sure that internal power is anything >more than a very sophisticated and advanced use of body mechanics and focus. > This is certainly not the case. Body positioning is body positioning. This is a requirement in Chi Kung training. It is a requirement! Not Chi! I have never heard any 'old Chinese master' claim this is Chi, as wrongly stated by some gods of the Neijia list. (To date, I have not a shred of proof this is so). All genuine Tai Chi masters should know this difference between prerequite requirements and the final fruit of the result. Likewise, the Peng Energy, much quote by many famous masters in the West, is not the bouncing energy of structural alignment. Chi is Chi - energy. It is not structural alignment which is physical bones, joints and flesh. >I just do not think that there's any mystical or supernatural >qualities to the phenomenon. > Absolutely correct! Chi, or really, CHING is natural life force. I have, to date, never heard any 'old Chinese master' claim that his Chi or Ching is a mysterious and supernatural phenomena. Of course, I have heard Neo-Traditionalists claim that 'old Chinese master' say this. I wish they present the proof. Don't listen to people who claim what other people say. For a good and reasonable description of the background of Tai Chi Chuan, read Peter Lim's web pages:- http://sunflower.singnet.com.sg/~limtk As a Chinese practitioner, I concur with Peter's views on a Chinese art. If you practice hard, no matter what art, you will always develope and refine your internal power. Chi is not for Chinese only!!!!!! You do not need to know Tai Chi to develope Chi. You do not need to know much biology, physics and mathematics too (implied by some modern masters in the West to understand Chi). I believe many FMA practitioners have good Chi development already. No lessons under Chinese Chi Kung masters! Cheers! John Chow Australia ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:09:25 EST Subject: eskrima: various rambling thoughts Out of lurking: ;) Some thoughts that have come to mind lately..... 1) Recently caught a quick blurb in the paper re:Parkinson's disease now that it's been in the headlines recently.... seems a reputable doc did a study that was published recently (unfortunately i threw away the darn paper so this is from memory) which came to the conclusion that aside from a small # of cases where it could be traced to genetic factors (i.e. when it develops in those who are on the younger side), the Parkinson's seemed to be caused by...... Long term exposure to chemicals????? Interesting.... 2) I have never been so glad that I took that Medical Terminology course last term.... especially when all that talk of slashing this or that artery came up... LOL I actually knew what you all were talking about!! 3) tenrec said recently: >>>>Related to practicing chokes, I recently saw a tape (?) or delayed news report which featured a young instructor demonstrating a "sleeper"-type choke on a reporter...not meaning any disrespect to this instructor, IMHO few instructors FULLY understand the medical effects (side-effects, long-term damage, micro-damage), particularly with this risky maneuver... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com<<<< Not to sound ignorant..... this topic does interest me a great deal... could you go into greater detail regarding the side effects, long term and otherwise (besides losing consciousness... ;) also if you think these concerns have a bearing on learning chokes in a training situation as opposed to a self defense situation where you would really be going for it.... 4) Also recent posts inquiring about Hilot are of interest to me, being a Physical Therapy student. I became fascinated with it after reading Mark Wiley's interview with Sam Tendencia in Filipino Martial Culture. In it, he refers to "bone-setting"- research on my part has come up with zip on this subject. Does anyone have any information on bone setting, if Sam Tendencia is still teaching or if any of his students are? 5) Very excited to hear that Crafty will be in my neck of the woods this summer. I'll gladly drive the 3 hrs. or so to get to the Orlando area for the experience.... 6) ... and in that vein, anyone have a line on Kali/Eskrima or JKD Instruction in the West Palm Beach, FL area? any info would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me... - - Rick Spiritwkr3@aol.com P.S. Ray I'm sure you get tired of hearing this ;) but I must say you are doing a great job on the digest. The recent posts especially have been excellent, esp. the ones on hooking and the like. ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:17:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: San Sau = San Shou Tai Chi San Shou and Tai Chi San Sau are one and the same. Some of the "clear lines" drawn between various kung fu "styles" are misleading. Tai Chi paired/fighting forms (Yang et al) can include Da Lu as well as the static and mobile Tui Shou exercises. There are also paired weapons forms. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:20:46 -0600 Subject: eskrima: "Internal Power" > I'm not sure that internal power is anything > more than a very sophisticated and advanced use of body mechanics and focus. > I'm not gonna get dragged back into this one, but there is definitely more to "internal power" than body mechanics. In fact, it has little to do with body mechanics or the body per se as we are usually accustomed to using it. From experience. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:25:56 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Artery > To effective slash > across it, you'd have to at least cut the tendon first just to get down to > it. > So slash longitudinally between the tendons ... can't miss shredding it that way. Hope that doesn't sound "mean-spirited" ... just an informational response, really. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:33:19 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Decrement Yah, as in negative increment, sorta like saying stepwise/progressive decrease. You sound like one of my old gurus pal: "Ah, so first you were dis-integrated ... so now you must re-integrate yourself, yes?" ... or ... "If you did not make the appointments, you would not experience the dis-appointments." :-) Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Tim Kashino" Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:57:00 -0000 Subject: eskrima: a need for good rattan Hi everyone, I have a whole lot of people that are in need of some good rattan (Dale Hinton, where are you?). Would anyone with info on rattan suppliers please contact me directly so we don't clutter up the list with responces. Thanks in advance. Tim Kashino sinumbagay@angelfire.com Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ From: "JYCHOW.AU.ORACLE.COM" Date: 03 Feb 99 11:04:57 +1100 Subject: eskrima: re functional Tai Chi I hope not to offend readers and many new Tai Chi masters in the West, but I can not help stating my opinions obtained through observation. From what I observe, many Tai Chi techniques performed by 'fly by night' Tai Chi masters claiming to be the real and original art are simply not true. These Neo-Traditionalists are mainly re-construction of what they thought could have been the original art. The history of such arts is a little vague. eg. Nobody in their close circle of friends, senior students, or relatives, have ever seen their master........etc if you see what I mean. Their revelation of the 'original style' usually is preceded by their having made some contact with another master around who gave them a good clue, but then, the name of that master simply was mysteriously omitted in any history. I have a very well known example of a world famous = master in mind very much because I was involved as a go between him and the master's closest student. Sorry for being vague here. I do not wish to meantion names because that name is well known. Many Neo-Traditionalist masters imply that the changes Yang Cheng Fu made to the art made it less of a martial art. In particular, certain grandmasters were singled out for criticism. I have heard directly from the lips of a well known master that the famous GM Cheng Man Ching (teacher of William Chen) was lousy and can not fight, and his senior student GM Huang Sheng Shen of Sarawak, Malayasia was hopeless. I have learnt a little craft under a few lineages from Cheng Man Ching and I found great fighters there. I would advise, if you want to have a quick shot at combat Tai Chi, learnt from those Neo-Traditionalists. This is the rough sketch of the art. If you want to pursue the art deeply and unravel the subtleness, go further = and learn from the old traditionalists later on. The going will be slow, but the secret, very plain secrets, will be there. By the way, there is no such thing as Lung Har Chuan within Tai Chi. It was a terminolgy that a friend of mine used to explain certain aspects of fighting Tai Chi to a well known master (ie. using the Loong Har as an analogy to illustrate the postures). It was misunderstood to mean there is a separate Loong Har Boxing in Tai Chi. Then suddenly the term appeared= in the whole of Australia a few months later (1984) and thundered across the world. You may research whether this terminolgy was used by Tai Chi masters in the West priori to 1984. ie. Check my statement! This Loong Har Boxing is not taught by any old Chinese master of Tai Chi Chuan across the world. Not taught, therefore not known, therefore is a secret art transmitted secretly to only a select few closed students:- this is the reasoning that Neo-Traditionalists transmit to their students. The truth is:- Not taught and not known because it was never a boxing of the art. It was never an issue! Tai Chi Boxing is Tai Chi Boxing. We do not need a Loong Har Boxing to be Tai Chi Boxing. Nevertheless, the principle of being a Loong Har is valid. But...... try to remember the original context it was communicated, eh? Likewise, while there is Chin Na and grappling aspects in Tai Chi, there is no such thing as Brazillian Jujitsu in Tai Chi. Oh..... I heard an interesting story about the Gracie brothers and a well known Australian Neo-Traditionalist Tai Chi master. I am happy to take this discussion off line from the Escrima Digest. Cheers! John Chow Melbourne Australia ------------------------------ From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:37:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: FMA Instructor Albany, NY From: Thomas Paul Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:00:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Capital District Instructors ....Does anyone know of any instructors/practitioners in the Albany, NY area who are open to new students? .... Mike Alfano teaches FMA in the Albany, NY area. You can reach him by e-mail at Malfano261@aol.com. Mike has been to my schools to give seminars and was well received by both beginner and more advanced students. A little of his background, He has been recognized, trained, and ranked with Professor Presas for over 11 years. He is as Instructor of Kali and training under Tuhon William Mcgrath of the International Pekiti Tirsia System and Guru Dan Insanto. He has trained under Sayoc Kali System with Master at Arms Bram Frank for 5 years. Vic Cushing www.combathapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:53:09 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr Gyi Hello Crafty - I have really enjoyed reading your stuff on Dr Gyi. This last one on the Dhanda staff was very interesting. Any chance we can get more details (maybe pictures on your site?). Have you given any thought to trying to preserve some of Dr Gyi's teachings on video? It is frustrating to know that there is this depth of knowledge out there that is hard to access for most of us. Something besides the occasionally mention on the list would be appreciated. Plus, and no disrespect here, but Dr. Gyi is getting up there in years. The thought of all that wisdom not passing it on is troubling. I only mention this because my old boxing coach just passed away last week. His name was Paavo Kentonen and he was incredible. He was also a judo expert. He took most of his knowledge with him, and it saddened me alot, especially when there wasn't much I could do about it. I don't want to see that repeated, you know? Cecil Burch ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #49 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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