From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #52 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 5 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 052 In this issue: eskrima: remember not to forget eskrima: Hilot & Healing Arts eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 eskrima: Capital District Instructors eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 eskrima: Various eskrima: Sam Tendencia/Hilot eskrima: Kodokan Chokers eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51-KRAV MAGA eskrima: Potpourri eskrima: Re: Chokes eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! 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Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: David Reyes Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:13:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hilot & Healing Arts > > I was lookin through some of the back issues of the Eskrima Digest and > saw a post mentioning a book on the filipino healing arts. Has this book > ever been published? > > Any information is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Steve Sorry for the late reply. The book entitled "The Healing Hands of Hilot - - Filipino Therapeutic Massage" is now available. I have forwarded information on this subject that might be of interest to the digest members. I hope this was of help. Regards, David Reyes A traditional, indigenous, holistic, and scientific perspective: First Guidebook on Philippine Healing Arts Not much is known of the healing arts of the Philippines which is blessed with healers who command a cornucopia of healing specialties using traditional, indigenous, holistic and scientific practices. This is about to change. The Healing Hands of Hilot - Filipino Therapeutic Massage is the very first instructional manual on this fascinating traditional healing art. This 150 page manual covers the salient points of Hilot, various hand maneuvers and techniques, practices of the manghihilot (healer), stimulating nerve centers and pressure points, special exercises, the role of Hilot in the Filipino martial arts, and fascinating facts of other indigenous healing arts. The book's authors - Cornelio H. Evangelista and Virgil J. Mayor Apostol, are both licensed as Holistic Health Practitioners and Massage Therapists, and both trace their lineage to their respective families of healers in the Philippines. The science of hilot can be indigenous because Filipinos interpret imbalances in the body through the ways of nature or metaphysical beliefs. These includes the affects of hangin (wind), pasma (spasm or exposure to extreme temperatures), and sira-ulo (insanity perhaps due to kulam or sorcery, or from the escaping of ones soul). Scientific since hilot relates to medical terminology and conditions such as sala (pinched nerve), manhid (numbness), pulikat (cramp), and panunuyo (dehydration). In other words, the healing arts of the Philippines is holistic in that the healer treats the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of man. Such cases ranging from musculoskeletal problems to nerve disorders have been healed as a result of hilot therapy. This is not to say that the hilot therapist can heal disease, but that the skill of a hilot practitioner can help pave the way for the mind and body to heal itself. Evangelista and Apostol, as their names imply (evangelist and apostle) are missionaries in healing . . .Filipino style! This long-awaited book, The Healing Hands of Hilot: Filipino Therapeutic Massage, is the very first instructional manual on this fascinating traditional healing art, at 7x10, this 150 page manual contains over 100 pictures and illustrations. For information on how to order and reserve your copies. San Diego & Los Angeles: Virgil Apostol rumsua@k-online.com San Francisco: Sulu Books 415.777.2451 miromero@sulu.com Wholesale 415.527.4840 colourp@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: "crossman" Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:26:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 John wrote: Okay, I guess. But wouldn't the part about firing blanks kind of make this type of training more analogous to using protective equipment? My entire point was that even when training very realistically, safety is and should be a concern. Me: I think my compadres meant that you train hard and exercise control. When they mentioned training "realistically", I think they meant that you train without pads, since no one walks around wearing body armor on the street. If you can control your movements safely to the point where you can place your hits, but not make your opponent do the owee dance, then for sure you can unleash your counters full force just as well. To quote a previous comment from Al Sardinas: ...if readers don't mind I like to repeat Guro Galicha's (edited) wisdom -"One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that your hands get pretty tough from getting hit repeatedly. .....Besides building toughness you also build up pain tolerance as well." My instructor, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet, echoes these thoughts as well. And using my instructor as a reference, the ultimate skill would be not to get hit at all (that's what 25 years of full contact unpadded sparring will do for you!) Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis To which John inquired: Again, I'm confused by the logic. If one is into building up toughness and pain tolerance via getting hit, how, and why if it is good for one, does one go about becoming unhittable? Me: As a basic student (and even as an advanced guro), you still get hit because that's just the nature of the art and that's all you can do at this level. Conditioning comes through practice, and in practice, sometimes you do get hit. And to agree with Al Sardinas, after many years of practice and study "unpadded", I'm sure that somehow, your body would be able to shift and move to avoid hits, instead of just being a sitting duck, taking the shots. You learn the hard way, or you don't learn and eventually quit. As stated earlier, I'm not saying that using body armor is wrong and unpadded is right. It's just how you approach the art and what you want to do with it. For us, we don't wear pads because of the opinion that you lose respect for the weapon. We've all heard too many times of people in competition taking the shot just to be able to counter with another. Mostly all of the advanced guros, and the current students have gotten hit, which teaches them to either counter or get out of the way. I've often told the other advanced guros that I guess we're "purists", where we learn the way people previous learned. Sure, Master Uddin took his shots from Angel, as did Angel when he was learning from Dizon. And from what we've heard about the way they trained, if you don't counter or move, you get hit. And they hit alot harder and faster than they way we do now. Most of us are "nine-to-fivers", stealing time to train whenever we can (at least I do), whereas those previous immersed themselves wholly into the art. Their life was to train, so there was nothing to compromise time to learn. I've never seen footage or pictures of the old Grandmasters (Tatang, Angel, Mena, Villabrille) wearing pads, and I doubt they used them. But yet, they survived the live-stick training/fighting and lived/live long lives. I'm sure they took their shots along the way, too. Peace, Bob Manalo, Jr. IESA P.S. For those of you in the SF area into Pilipino history, there is a free syposium on the Philippine-American War at San Francisco City College tomorrow (2/6/99) in the Visual Arts Building at the end of Cloud Circle. Registration is at 08:30, and the syposium goes from 09:00-4:30 p.m. They will have about six professors who will speak on the Philippine-American War. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:53:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 >Actually, auditory exclusion kicks in and your ears suffer little. But >getting hit by a stun gun will make you wish you had some protective gear on... For some time now Massad Ayoob has added a little stress to his teaching by zapping students with a stun gun before they start shooting. He's also been hit, kicked, and elbowed by students as their first reaction to the sensation. I'm surprised nobody's shot him yet.... I've actually been zapped twice by stun guns. Once was in a class. Someone had a couple of them, so like a fool I agreed to use them for knife sparring. I got zapped (still suffering crosstraining troubles from fencing - I tried a parry quarte). It hurt, but didn't stop me. The second time was at a party. Some numbskull had one of the big baton-like ones with a "pleasing organic shape" and zapped me from behind. I wasn't prepared, didn't have my intention set, and wasn't expecting anything like this. It didn't drop me to the ground in agony. My immediate desire was catch the guy, shove the thing somewhere painful and humiliating, and hold down the trigger until the battery was completely discharged. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:27:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Capital District Instructors Greetings everyone! Sorry if this comes to late, but this is my first post to the digest. I have been subscribed for some time, but don't get a chance to read each digest. I usually get to them after about 2-3 weeks later. I recently was told about this post and would like to clarify what my good friend Vic said. I do teach the FMA in the Albany, NY area. It's usually just a bunch of good friends getting together a training once a week. During the summer it turns into a big picnic. For the past 3 years I have been giving clinics on the FMA worldwide. Most of those clinics are direct towards schools that would like to start a secondary style to supplement their base style. The clinic's are based on basic to intermediate level training. I also give clinic's to local police officers, who want extra training. As far as a background, I am recognized, trained, and ranked with Professor Presas. Yet, if anyone needs advance training in Arnis, I usually tell them to see Guru Tim Hartman in Buffalo, Bram Frank in Florida, or go talk to the Professor. I am qualified to teach advance people, yet I feel that their are people better qualified to do that than me. If someone wants Kali, I tell them to do what I am doing. Go see Tuhon Mc Grath. I am a student of the PTI system, but not certified to teach that system. I do study with Tuhon McGrath about once a month, along with studying from Guru Dan, the Sayoc system, and from a number of other great instructors, like James Keating, and Kelly Worden. When I can get to them. I would suggest that if anyone wanted to train FMA, go see the Professor and Tuhon McGrath. No disrespect towards any instructor, but both of these people have made the greatest impact on my training. If your in my area and want to slam & jam, look me up, anyone is welcome to come. Thanks, Mike Alfano www.Malfano261@aol.com http://commonsenseselfdefense.com/index.htm ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:28:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 In a message dated 99-02-05 10:34:42 EST, you write: << >He also wrote that when hitting a person, especially in the torso, that >the stick stops for a sec before you can withdraw it enabling the other >person to " trap" your stick with his/her arm/or hand. >> In the silat form I study, we automatically pull back the staff after a strike. Not necessarily because we expect and intentional trap, but because the automatic reaction to being struck hard is to curl up around the pain. Which can, and often does, trap the impact weapon as effectively as if the guy did it on purpose. Animal ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:36:54 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Various >I like what Burton Richardson says on one of his tapes about this. In >mid-range you must account for the weapon first--not the hand as is >commonly taught--or be hit by it. John - You may recall this is - exactly - what Angel taught in Serrada. >I think many FMA'ists have developed their internal power without >training in Chi deliberately. The Chinese say "Chi (energy) follows Yi (the mind)" Any mind/body discipline will help strengthen this link. I certainly agree that FMAers benefit internally from their training (Angel showed some excellent internal strength, especially in his weakened final days). However, some awareness of internal development will expedite this process. Chi follows Yi .... >Again, I'm confused by the logic. If one is into building up toughness >and pain tolerance via getting hit, how, and why if it is good for one, >does one go about becoming unhittable? Darn intellectuals .... but I know what you mean. Anyway. Toughness and pain tolerance are as much about mental capacity to handle the challenge as about the physical. Learning not to stop the mind from fear or shock. I would presume that, unless one is muy macho, over time the lesson is learned and not so much reinforcement is necessary. One learns to avoid the mistakes. If toughening up the hand is so important, I'd think controlled conditioning through hitting things (steel plate, ball bearings, concrete, etc) would be more useful than getting hit at random. >at the Kodokan they did a multi-decade study of the effects of being >choked out thousands of times and found no adverse effects! As we all know, different medical studies often contradict each other. Could be methadology used, or other variables. For instance, choking out 100 students one time each, would be quite different from choking out 1 student 100 times. I've heard from TCM practitioners (trad. Chinese medicos) that the cumulative effect of repeated chokes (we're assuming using the same points repeatedly) could adversely affect the functioning of those points, cause hardening of the arteries at that point as conditioning to the stress, and can have adverse affects on blood pressure (related to the hardening, I believe). Krav Magya was developed in Israel as a simplified combat art, based mostly on Japanese styles. There is a civilian and a military version; the latter is more brutal, as it is geared for full combat, but both versions stress simple practicality. The founder of ths system died last year, I believe. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:55:08 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sam Tendencia/Hilot Greetings, Several issues back someone asked about Sam Tendencia and the term bonesetting. I have known Sam for 12 years and have been made whole more than once by him. I have never been formally trained by him, but I have studied his methods. What he terms "bonesetting" is what sets him at odds with the American Chiropractic community: They consider what he does in the domain of orthopedic surgery and not chiropractic. American chiropractors get real nervous when you start talking about bonesetting, particularly the way he does it. Bones are held in alignment by muscles,tendons, scar tissues, and the fascia coverings. What Sam does is decide how tht bones are supposed to be, and move the connecting parts to get that alignment. He literally, through external manipulation, tears the connective tissues apart and then moves the muscles and ligaments to a new position to hold the bones in place. It can be held akin to surgery without the knife. It is enormously painful, and gives virtually instantaneous results. I swear by it , and at it, during the process. I have practiced it in some degree myself for 6 years, but not at 1% of what Sam can do. The biggest problem with any injury is that when you tear muscles or tendons they form scar tissue during the healing process. Since the injured muscles/tendons and ligaments are torn or stretched, the scar tissue tends to hold the bones out of alignment, and to heal in that misaligned position. Thus the Filipinos prefer to do bonesetting immediately following an injury. Certainly the most painful time, but the best in terms of long term healing. Cacoy Canete set my foot immediately after a bad Judo fall, and it was the most painful thing I have ever experienced. I am now completely healed, and from an injury that put me on crutches for three days, a cane for a week, 6 months of limping and a full two years to full recovery. I never visited a doctor but trusted GM Canete's expertise, and it was trust well placed. This relates to the Tai Chi thread as well, because muscle groups tend to develop micro adhesions to each other which limits overall movement and individual muscle group movement. The relationship is that slow specific movement tends to isolate individual muscle groups and separate the micro adhesions. Rapid movements cause the muscles to go into self protection and limit their range of motion, thus you don't get the full extension necessary to pull the microadhesions apart. The reason you should do your stretches slowly is the same: The rapid movement causes the same reaction in the muscle. Tom Meadows tmeadows@fix.net ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:51:57 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Kodokan Chokers > But it's not just our culture, at the Kodokan they did a > multi-decade study of the effects of being choked out thousands of times > and found no adverse effects! Someone else may know more details. Still, > I don't want to do it even once if I don't have to. > Dass a lotta chokin' dude! :-) Whoa!!! When was this done? Talk about research. I'd bet that if there were/are any effects to be measured they'd be related to the duration of the strangulation ... the length of time that the brain was deprived of oxygen. Chokes and knock outs both = unconscious ... good as dead on the street. Maybe the best way to deal with those who specialize in the choke as their "final common pathway" in fighting is to not let them fight their fight. I'd still rather work on ways to beat the grappler-to-choker than to work on fighting his fight. OTOH, I will go for a choke of one type or another when it flows in what I'm trying to do or flows with what shows up in the midst of dealing with an adversary. Master John Wang of Combat Shuai Chiao once demonstrated it as one of his primary goals in prepping a throw. Some of the sweep/throws which we see in Silat may vary into the same approach, i.e., get the guy by the neck instead of across the chest/shoulders/whatever, then execute the same technique that you would otherwise -- don't go to the ground with him. Wang is one of the most impressive fighters that I've ever seen. Every sweep/throw flowed into a knee-drop-into-chest finish and looked almost Baryshnikov-like in its smoothness. He's a fast, pipe-smokin' Ph.D. software engineer for IBM - -- one of Chang Deng-Sheng's "disciples." Most of the students of Chang whom I met in Atlanta back in 1989 were doctors of some kind ... engineers, MDs, PhDs (except for the cops from Taiwan's Police Academy). All excellent skill. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:26:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51-KRAV MAGA Hello everyone, I have been doing Krav Maga for the last two years here in LA. I agree what mostly said about the art, for example that is less oriented toward " pure" technique and more in reactive body response. I also agree that some defenses vs. knife are based on he fact that the opponent is not skilled in wielding a knife. One thingh that I do not like, for example, is kicking the arm ( or hand) that is armed with the knife, seems to me that you can been cut very easily in your leg, and that you have a bad balance in trying to kick. A the same time, I strongly believe that these weaknesses in dealing with the knife can be extended to the majority of non- FMA ( I have also a Black Belt in Shotokan). Part of the problem is that, IMHO, that in order to deal with the knife you must know how to use it in a proficient way. One thing that I really like about Krav Maga is that is could be called an art "in progress". The system is open to improvement and modifications, and also to learn from some other MA. For example, in my dojo we have also the chance to study BBJ, Mu Thai, Sambo, and the last week there was a seminar with Bas Rutten. Even if I do not practice FMA ( for now) I liked them a lot , and I specific asked if we could incorporate FMA in our curriculum, or at least have some seminars ( Crafty Dog or someone from Hermosa Beach available?). Please let me know if someone has more questions about KM.] Peace to everyone Luca Levorato LLevorato @aol.com. ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:32:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Potpourri At 10:33 AM 2/5/99 -0500, Ray Terry wrote: >Actually, auditory exclusion kicks in and your ears suffer little. But >getting hit by a stun gun will make you wish you had some protective gear on... I can't comment on "auditory exclusion", but I can confirm about the stun gun from personal experience. A female friend had one while we were in college, and one day I thought "Hmmm...how bad could that thing really be?" Hey, at least I had enough common sense to test it on my quadriceps muscle...ouch! ;o) Now a few of questions: 1.) I carry a Spyderco Endura (a 4" blade), which I consider "small", but I'm curious what others think is "small" & "large". 2.) Can anyone direct me to websites with info on the Sayoc and Garimot systems? I see the names pop up regularly, but haven't been able to find websites that tell me anything about the systems. 3.) I was wondering if there's anyone other than Kris Cutlery who makes/sells Filipino/Indonesian weapons. I'd like to do a little comparative shopping. 4.) How's the quality of the Kris Cutlery weapons? TIA. Dave. P.S. I've really been enjoying the digest! ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:50:16 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Chokes rom: Kalki Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:24:44 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Chokes Mik wrote- "Tenrec makes a good point re: microdamage ... got me thinking (for a change :-) ... what's the difference between starving the brain of oxygen via choke and starving the brain of oxygen via a stroke (aside from the fact that the chioke may involve only temporary oxygen deprivation)?" I reply-Probably not very much difference between a stoke and a choke- it the lenght of time the blood supply is cut off that matters. This happens to be an area of research that I am currently involved involved. One animal model involves placing a thread up thru the carotid artery to temporarily block the blood supply, others involve permenant ligation of arteries. If you leave the thread in long enough- you get damage. I know of strains of rats that develop large areas of infarct from experimentaly induced permanent loss of blood supply, can have the blood supply cut off for over 10 minutes and not show any detectable damage (we look at the brain in the live animal w/ MRI). So from what I know in the resarch literature a deprivation of short time is probably not all that bad. Which is why time is so critical in the case of a stroke- some education groups are trying to get people to think of a stroke as a brain attack, to denote the same urgency of getting to the hospital as in a heart attack. No real reasearch on multiple temporary loses that I am aware of. Mik wrote " H'mmm... I think that our culture does not promote appreciation for the fine aspects of things. Like, getting choked and starving the brain of oxygen ... how does that affect the brain at a low, i.e., cellular, level? I dunno. Can't be good as a repeated experience, even though a practitioner might feel OK about their return to consciousness. " I reply For short periods- as far as I know there are no functional losses, I'm not sure about exactly what permenant and temporary changes may occur at the cellular level. A very new and interesting area of stroke research is the protective phenomenon of pre-conditioning. Pre-conditioning is the temporary loss of blood supply (say for 10 minutes), followed by return to normal blood supply. In the animal model, preconditioned animals have significanlty smaller areas of damage to their brain following permenant loss of the blood supply when compared to non- preconditioned animals. So is everyone getting choked out preconditioning themselves? Will a often choked out person suffer less in a stroke? I don't know and it would be difficult to say- although a well done epidemiologic study may help. I will raise this idea w/ some researchers I work with. I have more detailed info and references if folks want to contact me off line. (The above are my own opinions, I am not a MD, I don't speak for my company) Sean Sean_3_Maguire@sbphrd.com ------------------------------ From: Lonnie Pollard Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:36:36 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #51 >>"Garimot" Baet, echoes these thoughts as well. And using my instructor as a >>reference, the ultimate skill would be not to get hit at all (that's what >>25 years of >>full contact unpadded sparring will do for you!) >> >>Respectfully, >>Al Sardinas >>Student of Garimot System of Arnis >Again, I'm confused by the logic. If one is into building up toughness >and pain tolerance via getting hit, how, and why if it is good for one, >does one go about becoming unhittable? > >John Frankl > I'd like to take a shot at this one from my own limited perspective. Increases in toughness and pain tolerance that might come from getting hit are more incidental, and getting hit is not the goal. There are better ways of conditioning. More importantly, the pain from getting hit serves more to build awareness of where not to get hit and how to protect the more vulnerable targets. And even avoiding getting hit in general. A strike to the head should not be viewed as an opportunity to toughen the skull, but rather as a lesson to avoid getting hit in the head. One way to learn how not to get hit comes through learning largo mano (I'm using the "Garimot" meaning for the term largo mano). It takes years of training in the "Garimot" methods and models to get really good at it, but improvement comes quickly from early on. There are many different components, and it is complex, but there is constant improvement in being more and more capable to range someone and learn to be in a position to hit without getting hit. On sparring days, Gat Puno Abon sometimes demonstrates this by having one of us try to hit him, and we as students find that we are unable to hit him with our stick, yet he routinely reaches out and touches us on the head with the end of his stick to show us when we're an open target. It is embarrasing to have someone so effortlessly be able to reach out and tap you over and over, and yet try as you may and fast as you wish, your stick always misses him by several inches. "Humbling" is too weak a word, from my perspective. There's also the one where he has one of us attack him while he's sitting on a bar stool and we're on our feet and allowed to move as we wish. He never gets hit. But we do. That's decades of largo mano training. Lonnie Pollard a student of the "Garimot" system of Arnis (All opinions expressed come from my own limited understanding) >------------------------------ > >From: jmfrankl >Date: Thu, 4 Feb 99 23:19:52 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #48 > >>He also wrote that when hitting a person, especially in the torso, that >>the stick stops for a sec before you can withdraw it enabling the other >>person to " trap" your stick with his/her arm/or hand. I like to add that >>when striking if you execute only one strike yes you might be disarmed but >>if you execute 3 or more strikes the chances for being disarmed is less. >In theory, I agree and Greg probably would too (sorry Greg for guessing >about you). But I think his point was, in practice, regardless of whether >you plan on throwing a 3 or even 10 shot combo the stick does tend to >"snag" and that is where three turns into one and sometimes a disarm. >>The greater the chance for being disarmed is when the stick comes to a >>rest. >Yes. >>Also, regarding the torso hit keep in mind when striking that no more >>than 2 inches of the stick should make contact. The smaller the stick hit >>the faster it will travel. >Again, sound theory. Problem is your opponent moves (I hate in when that >happens). You measure for 2 inches and he either jumps back 3 or crashes >in 5--either way different things happen. I think Greg was just reporting >some of those things. >John Frankl >From my own limited experience, there are numerous ways to quickly change your striking distance. You are not limited to striking at one particular distance. Here's a simple example: move your hand to change the range of your strike. There are *so* many other ways too. Why would one be limited to striking at one distance from one location? Through my own experiences, as one who is barely more than a beginner in the "Garimot" system, targets can be hit with considerable power anywhere from quite close in to out at maximum reach. The more experienced the student the more consistently they are generally able to deliver the strikes accurately with the stick's tip wherever the target might move. Having that as a goal, there is little need to worry about getting it right every time but rather to get it right more and more often. Lonnie Pollard a student of the "Garimot" system of Arnis (All opinions expressed come from my own limited understanding) ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #52 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.