From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #54 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 7 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 054 In this issue: eskrima: Dr. Gyi Chindit articles eskrima: 'gear'ing up eskrima: Re: Clirifies this fight of yours Jeff eskrima: GM Ramiro Estallila`s Seminar eskrima: RE: Ischemia eskrima: shouts eskrima: Get a Grip eskrima: Great Cesar's Ghost! eskrima: RE- hand strikes/full contact/timing eskrima: Bob Orlando Seminar eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel McNamara Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi Chindit articles Dr. Gyi did an autobiographical, three part series on his war experiences for Command magazine. Circa 1994, it should be available as reprints directly from the publisher. Sorry, no address at hand but Barnes & Noble and most of the big chains usually stock this military history mag. Extremely intense reading, with interesting khukuri versus katana accounts. Joel ------------------------------ From: ttruscott@pacificcoast.net (Ted Truscott) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:29:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: 'gear'ing up I've lost track of who to credit for reference but: > >From: "Marc Denny" >A Howl etc: Its not so hard >to take a natural bad-ass and teach him to fight. The real trick is >getting the non-natural bad-ass up to speed. I have had a struggle getting the gentlemen and the ladies in my classes who have the techniques to work them fiercley so that they get the skills...they don't want to hit because they don't want to hurt their partner - which I emphasise at the lower ranks. I finally had to buy some torso pads so they would hit each other but I won't let them wear them long because I fear that they will come to depend on them rather than zone. I know that the best sparring is still not fighting but I won't send students out to wreak havoc in the name of training realistically - perhaps I'll try scenario training and try to add some emotional content. Thanks for listening and hope for feedback: [is that TFL&HFF?] Ted "the fighting old man" Truscott ttruscott@pacificcoast.net www.pacificcoast.net/~ttruscott ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:36:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Clirifies this fight of yours Jeff In a message dated 2/6/99 12:27:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << BTW, when I fought in 2 tournaments in the Philippines, the locals felt that the larger foreigners went at it with too much power. They tried to say full contact had to show finesse, as well. They lost the argument, and many of the fights. I thought the toughest competition in my weight class was right here in California. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org >> JEFF OUT OF RESTPECT YOU DONT FIGHT FOR FULL CONTACT UN-PADDED IN CEBU PHILIPPINES? ARE YOU? MAY BE NOT. IF YOU DO FIGHT THE FULL CONTACT IN THE PHILIPPINES IF SO? WHERE? ILL INVITED YOU TO GO LAGUNA. YOU NEED TO GO TO THE REAL WAY IN THE MOUNTAIN THEN YOU SEE THOSE OLD FILIPINO ESKRIMADOR STILL HAD A GOOD GRIP ON THATS STICK. YOU DONT SEE ENOUGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIGHTERS FROM THE PHILIPPINES IN GENERAL. IF YOU CLARIFIES THIS PLEASE?!!! YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINTS BUT YOU NEED TO BE CAREFULL TALKING ABOUT US FILIPINOS. PLEASE NEXT TIME MENTIONED WHERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. TO PREVENT MIS-WRITE OR MIS WORDS. GUMAGALANG /WITH RESTPECT GAT PUNO ABON "GARIMOT" BAET LAGUNA ARNIS FEDERATION INTERNATIONAL ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:05:52 EST Subject: eskrima: GM Ramiro Estallila`s Seminar Meowmixnews to all, CAT Society(Consolidated Arnis Tabak Society) is hosting GM Ramiro Estallila of Rigonan-Estallila Kabaroan System . When: Saturday, Feb. 20,1999 Time: 12noon- 4pm Place: 3918 Atlantic Ave., Long Beach,CA. Cost: $40.00 (for a good cause where trying to send him to Hallof Fame) Contact:Nelson"Pinoy Kowboy"Trinidad CAT Society Email-Arniste@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:23:38 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Ischemia > A choke sustained long enough to cause brain ischemia (no oxygen) will > cause powerful reflex increase in arterial pressure. The resulting I think it's important to bear in mind that in a fighting situation, minutes can be a long time, relatively speaking. I've seen the discussion about ischemia vs. drop in blood pressure being the big factor in a choke, and my thought is this: Yes, both can occur, but the drop in blood pressure, and the resulting faint occurs first and fastest. Therefore, in a martial arts sense, a properly applied choke will seek to cause the fainting so you can rapidly deal with other attackers, not have to worry about fighting for a prolonged time and worry about whatever else the situation requires. Of course, there are also the chokes that cut across the windpipe and cause a lot of coughing, which can also be a nice way to reduce the efefctive fighting ability of a person. Again, the reaction from those tends to be rather quick. I think that's a rather major issue to consider with any technique, what's the fastest way to render a person unable to continue fighting? - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:48:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: shouts > OUT OF RESTPECT YOU DONT FIGHT FOR FULL CONTACT UN-PADDED IN CEBU PHILIPPINES? > ARE YOU? MAY BE NOT. IF YOU DO FIGHT THE FULL CONTACT IN THE PHILIPPINES IF [snip] No shouting, please... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon K Curtis" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:34:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Get a Grip Crafty Dog wrote: >Kev, I've been working with the 4 ft staff for a bit. FWIW 1 1/4 sounds >good to me, but I would suggest working with different sizes and weights-- >just as one should with sticks. We were honored to have Dr Gyi in attendance as a special guest at Guro I's seminar a couple weeks ago. Dr Gyi not only brought up the fact that we should train with different size sticks, but he also said we should not get in the habit of gripping the stick in the same manner. Sometimes we should grip in the usual manner, sometimes in the middle, sometimes reverse grip...... moving our point of grip around. He also moved his grip after he was already holding the stick. He would use the other hand and various body parts to slide the stick in the "gripping hand". >Remember you can work double end as well as single. And the middle too.....right? :') ~Kev curtisjk@harborcom.net http://members.harborcom.net/~curtisjk/index.html ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:24:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Great Cesar's Ghost! In today's local papers. I like the police comments about the guy not being unconscious (compared to onlookers comments .... ) PLEASANT HILL -- A martial arts teacher with fast feet chased down a suspect running from police Friday afternoon, subduing him with a debilitating jujitsu neck grip. Cesar Gracie, a member of a world-renowned Brazilian martial arts family, chased down a Lodi man whom police had stopped at 12:49 p.m. across the street from Gracie's academy, on Contra Costa Boulevard near the Concord border. Police said James Conrad, 38, was driving with a suspended license and officers found what they believed were illicit drugs in his car. Conrad fled across the street, gaining distance from police as he ran through the parking lot of the martial arts academy. "This Gracie guy is apparently lightning fast and chased this guy down like a greyhound and by the time the officers got there, he was down," said Pleasant Hill police Sgt. Hakeem Shabazz. Gracie said he heard police yelling, "Freeze" and ran outside, barefoot, to help the officers. "They were huffing and puffing. The guy was getting away. I put on the afternburners and he went to jump over a fence," said Gracie, 33. "I grabbed him and put a choke hold on him. He passed out in a few seconds. I don't think the officers realized. They came up with their Mace and they were spraying the guy, but he was passed out already." Gracie, a third-degree black belt, said he is trained to release the grip so the victim recovers consciousness. Police acknowledged his help, but disputed the claim that Conrad passed out. Lt. Terry Simpson said Conrad was awake when police arrived and unloaded their pepper spray. Ordinarily, said Simpson, police would discourage a citizen from assisting them in a chase. "He didn't know what the suspect was wanted for, whether the suspect was armed. He could have been hurt," said Simpson. "In this case, this young man was certainly comfortable in his ability to defend himself. The suspect could have probably picked a better location." Amazed onlookers touted Gracie as a hero. "It looked like a film with those stunt guys. It was unbelievable," said Anna Zelloso, 46, who is from Argentina and visiting friends. "I parked my car to watch, I was so excited. By the time police got there, the guy was already sleeping." Andre Dumdumaya of Fairfield, a student at the academy, said he wasn't surprised by the ease with which Gracie stopped Conrad. Several of Gracie's family members are expert in "ultimate fighting," and Gracie has displayed his skills on television in Brazil. He moved here eight years ago. "That's our specialty," said Dumdumaya. "With this style, you can put somebody out without even punching them. It's a different pain that's worse than being punched." Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:40:44 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE- hand strikes/full contact/timing The Grand Poobah wrote: > think I'd rather take out their weapon hand first and -then- go for the head > and body. If you don't take out the weapon hand first, then at least control > the weapon/hand first. > I have found that if your opponent strikes, in such a fashion that it is natural for you to strike his hand first than this should be the tactic. However I have seen many a fighter consistently go after the hand and this can lead to problems. I agree much more with the second half of Ray's statement, control the hand or the weapon, often by blocking the weapon its self rather than the hand. From my own personal experience, I struck full force to an opponent hand in a full contact match, caught him right on the nerve of the wrist, which automatically opens the hand. However the stick continued to whip around and put a hugh dent in my fencing mask right where my eye was!! So without the minimal pads that fight might have had a different end result. Which brings me to the full contact thing that pops up every other month. Stick fighting is like Karate fighting you should practice all aspects of it from point to semi sparring to fully padded to lightly padded because they all offer benefits. I myself don't think much of the WEAKA stuff I think the name says it all, However WEAKA fighter seem to have great endurance and can go for ever, so this is a great benefit from their form af fighting. Lighter padded stick fighting builds toughness and a little more respect for the weapon, but it also comes with a negative by product, injuries, However stick grappling which is the next level of combat when padded even lightly is a benefit, because the first thing you learn is Damn this shit hurts , so you want to close the gap as soon as possible, because grappling is less likely to break things, unless you have an opponent who doesn't like you and decides to torture you once he has control. If you talk to the old timers about stick grappling most agree it is very important as do I , However most that I have spoken with say it didn't happen all the often in a real fight with no pads, most fights were over with real fast, the only 2 fights I ever had for real were over in seconds, so I believe this. Which is why you must alternate you rules sometimes allow grappling and sometime don't, and force the opponents to really stick fight. Nik Wrote; > I thought that speed and timing were the first to go, strength remaining the > longer. George Foreman, for example, was mucgh slower during his recent > comeback, but still packed a wallop. > I think if you study some of the older fighters that are successful you will notice that their speed may diminous , while the power increases ( in men to about the late 30s to mid 40s) but most importantly often times their timing is perfect. GM Buot constantly preaches about timing, no mater how fast you are if you can't hit your opponent you aint worth a damn. Remy Presas once told me of a fight he had on the beach back home. This guy came at him swing and twirling and dancing with his happy feet . Remy said he was like a whirl wind coming at him at first Remy was nervous, but as he backed away from the guy he noticed the guy could swing but could not time a strike so with one shot Remy ( timed perfect ) Remy hit him right between the eyes, end of story. Which brings us to something the Crafty one has mentioned on several occasions, twirling or being able to do sinwalli is one thing but being able to fight with it is another. I think if you practice fighting with sinwalli you will discover how improtant timing is!! P.S am I the only one that thinks Morro is the better looking of the two, with a dog that size who needs martial arts!!! Rocky Chief instructor Anciong's original Balintawak Founder of Cuentada DeMano ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:04:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Bob Orlando Seminar From Animal For those of you in the Colorado area Bob Orlando will be giving a seminar in Castle Rock Colorado on the principles of silat and kuntao of March 20th Who is this guy? - Author of "Indonesian Fighting Fundamentals", "Martial Arts America" and the video "Fighting arts of Indonesia". How good is he? - Let's just say the only way I would mess with him is through crosshairs. Better yet though, he is a great teacher with a talent for explaining things. Where is Castle Rock? - Between Colorado Springs and Denver Where is the seminar? - Omega Karate 1564 Park St. (1/3 mile north of McDonalds) How long? - From 1pm to 5pm How much? - $20 at the door How do I find out more? Contact animalmac@aol.com to find out how to get there or rattle Bob's cage directly at Bob.Orlando@juno.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:03:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #54 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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