From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #57 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 9 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 057 In this issue: eskrima: seminar in modernized philippine martial arts eskrima: RE: Crafty's sundry observations eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #56 eskrima: Baybayin eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #53 eskrima: To block or not to block, that is the question. eskrima: [Q] Request for Eskrima/Kali Instruction eskrima: Depends on the choke eskrima: maculele eskrima: Speed and Quickness eskrima: RE:Hit and Draw Back and Striking eskrima: Hitting senior grades eskrima: correct hitting eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "big Joe A." Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:12:47 PST Subject: eskrima: seminar in modernized philippine martial arts Hello everyone, To anyone who might have been interested in attending the seminar on Modernized Philippine Martial Arts I have some bad news. Due to an unforeseen problem with our location we will be forced to postpone the scheduled seminar. As soon as all problems have been worked out and a new date set I will post the new information of course only with Mr. Terry's approval. Sorry to all if we have caused any inconvenience. Peace and respect to all of my fellow FMAers out there. Your friend in training, Big Joe A. P.S. My apologies once again to anyone I may have inconvenienced. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:09:56 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Crafty's sundry observations > From: "Marc Denny" > Subject: eskrima: sundry observations: > > 1) Concerning this thread on what target to look for first: > If I may say, > with no offense intended to anyone, that at moments it sounds > like chess > players arguing over which piece is better, when in point of Well stated, Crafty! For myself, I think that a lot of this comes down to a doctrinal approach to fighting. In other words, it's not so much what specifically I hit first, as having a mindset that's more a long the lines of, "how do I end this ASAP?" or "what's the quickest way to destroy my opponent's ability to fight?" I think that's a key point. I know that a 2-3 minute round, whether it be stick fighting, grappling, boxing, whatever, takes a lot out of me. I have to face it, that my job has me sitting in front of a desk all day. I suspect that few of us have jobs that do much to help our physical conditioning. It's certainly not working on the docks all day. No sense for me in keeping things going any longer than I have to. Not too mention the odds may not move in my favor as things go longer and longer. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: Tobias Kohlenberg Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #56 On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: "Bill Lowery" > Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:56:57 PST > Subject: eskrima: Hitting senior grades > > "It reminded me of the story Guro Inosanto told about the time Daniel Lee > actually landed a punch on Bruce Lee. I Believe Dan Lee was a Hawaiian > boxing champion and Bruce Lee took a dim view of being hit. He promptly > broke Dan Lees's jaw for him and Guro Inosnato said the punches that Bruce > wass throwing sounded like an electric typewriter. > > Tommy the typewriter > tmeadows@fix.net" > > Hi Tom, > > A couple of points. 1) I have always been told "you shouldn't hit senior > grades" This is usually taken to mean that you should show the senior > grades > such respect that you make no real attempt to hit them. I prefer to know > that they are senior grades because I cannot hit them (although I do try > ;-)). > > 2) I have trained with senior grades within T'ai Chi and Eskrima, and > have experienced the same thing as you describe. A (usually) lucky hit gets > through, they get that look in their eyes and I immediately think "...ahh, > now that was a mistake". And it usually was!! It appears to be the mind set > of those who wish to be the best they can be. This is how one of my teachers is. I pretty much take for granted that once I pick up the pace and start working to hit him, he will return in kind and better, doesn't mean I will do it any less. I find that sparing with my classmates is much less frightening once I have done a round or two with my teacher (they move in slow motion compared to him!) Toby ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:56:18 EST Subject: eskrima: Baybayin Well I got my mitts on a copy of the Jan. MA illustrated and it's gone belly up? First copy I've seen and it's seems like to decent mag. Anyhow what's the baybayin or old filipino script say on Crafty's black baston? Regards, Travis Kilap@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Brian T. Henderson" Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:09:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #53 Greg McFerren wrote: "Does anyone when doing Sumbradas, Box Patterns or Sinawall Drills hit the other person's hand every time? or try too? I know when we drill we target the stick, knowing that in RL we would target the hand." Me: In the Cabauatan System of Escrima, which I am a student and teacher, we target the weapon arm with control, and then follow up with attacks to other targets. This is done to conform to the "remove the threat" concept, which we take literally to mean, "remove the threatening limb" :). The only exception is during sinawali drills where this would not be practical. I also believe that the "Siete Pares" group, under Guru Labitan train this way as well. God Bless You All, Sifu Brian T. Henderson ------------------------------ From: "Michael Melone" Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 03:51:16 -0000 Subject: eskrima: To block or not to block, that is the question. Ray said- >I'm confused... By hitting at whatever your opponent throws are you implyingthe stick or the hand/arm holding that stick?< My interpretation of this is that one need only be concerned with the opponents strikes that have a chance to land and do damage. Anything that'll fall short or you can avoid doesn't warrant a block. Maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically. Ciao Mike GET YOUR OWN FREE, PRIVATE E-MAIL ACCOUNT FROM RECYCLER.COM -- FREE CLASSIFIEDS, FREE AUCTIONS, AND LOTSA R'COMMUNITY -- HTTP://WWW.RECYCLERMAIL.COM ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:40:56 PST Subject: eskrima: [Q] Request for Eskrima/Kali Instruction I'll apologize in advance ... I'm a newbie to this group. I live in Almaden Valley (south San Jose, CA) and would very much like to learn eskrima/kali. I have not practiced the art before, but did obtain a shodan in ju jutsu in an earlier part of my life. Can anyone recommend an academy or instructor that I may contact ? Thank you in advance. Mark _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:57:18 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Depends on the choke > If you got behind someone and remained on your feet > while choking you could keep him between you and the other ? guys. > Perfect reply. Imagine how the ? guys might feel when their buddy gets dropped after lights out. In the "heat of the moment" some might take the fallen perp for dead. > But > tackling and mounting your opponent while his friends break bottles over > your head, no. > Thanks for voicing my opinion :-) Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Brian Hutchinson Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:27:55 -0800 Subject: eskrima: maculele Can anyone compare and contrast the fma w/ maculele ( similar to Capoeira but the dance is w/ sticks or machetas ) ? Brian Hutchinson ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:09:08 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Speed and Quickness Nik Jones wrote: "I thought that speed and timing were the first to go, strength remaining the longer. George Foreman, for example, was much slower during his recent comeback, but still packed a wallop." I think this is a response to what Medicine Man Mik wrote about strength going first when you get older. Speaking for myself, I think both strength and speed go at the same time because they are dependent on each other. As far as timing is concerned it depends on quickness. To explain this let me quote a famous former basketball player Mr. Bill Walton. He said: "Speed is a physical measurement. But quickness is a mental skill: being able to out-think everyone else, to anticipate, to know what's going to happen before everyone else does." A statement very appropriate for FMA's. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:49:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE:Hit and Draw Back and Striking John Frankl wrote: .. But I think his point was, in practice, regardless of whether you plan on throwing a 3 or even 10 shot combo the stick does tend to "snag" and that is where three turns into one and sometimes a disarm.....You measure for 2 inches and he either jumps back 3 or crashes in 5--either way different things happen. Medicine Man Mik wrote: In Guro Inosanto's book on the FMA he says draw the stick back after striking...........The return is just as important as the hit, yes/no? My answer to the above is that the stick will not "snag" when the intended "return" is to the body. In all due respect to the knowledgeable Mik and great and humble Guro Inosanto, where is the Flow? A simple drill as taught in the Garimot System as in other FMA systems is strike the head, body, head. If this practice diligently where it becomes automatic, it will be hard to stop. And in the same vein, when striking we try to use the end of the stick at all times. The 2 inches is not used as a measuring rod, whether you are close or far from the opponent, we try to use the optimum section of the stick which is the end. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:14:57 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Hitting senior grades When I was training with Master Skens Sitnarong camp that was the general moan there. Whenever they actually got a shot in on Master Sken then they would get the exact same shot back but x times harder. This meant that although they were afraid to open up in when sparring against Master Sken. Why bother if when you do something well he comes back and punishes you? There are different ways of looking at it I suppose but - and im not at these guys level in any way- we try at my club to encourage each other. We don't tolerate bullying but we also don't tolerate sitting on our laurels either. If a student does something well against me I aplaud him for it. The next spar/wrestle/etc will determine whether he is on his laurels but he will grow from being appreciated and I will grow from having better students . Seems like these days they are all better than me! ; ) From: "Bill Lowery" Subject: eskrima: Hitting senior grades "It reminded me of the story Guro Inosanto told about the time Daniel Lee actually landed a punch on Bruce Lee. I Believe Dan Lee was a Hawaiian boxing champion and Bruce Lee took a dim view of being hit. He promptly broke Dan Lees's jaw for him and Guro Inosnato said the punches that Bruce wass throwing sounded like an electric typewriter. Tommy the typewriter Hi Tom, A couple of points. 1) I have always been told "you shouldn't hit senior grades" This is usually taken to mean that you should show the senior grades such respect that you make no real attempt to hit them. I prefer to know that they are senior grades because I cannot hit them (although I do try ;-)). 2) I have trained with senior grades within T'ai Chi and Eskrima, and have experienced the same thing as you describe. A (usually) lucky hit gets through, they get that look in their eyes and I immediately think "...ahh, now that was a mistake". And it usually was!! It appears to be the mind set of those who wish to be the best they can be. Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group * Phone: +44 (0) 1224 795314 * Mobile: 0410 401111 * Smtp: Patrick.Davies@Halliburton.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:24:07 -0000 Subject: eskrima: correct hitting From: "Marc Denny" 3)Mike wrote: "This is an excellent point. I do not get to practice with partners much, but when I do I seem to be more of a threat to them through my lack of control than the other way round. Recently I practiced with a senior student of PT who correctly pointed out to me that my stick technique stinks. I realized that I was guiding the stick onto his stick rather than hitting as one should, all because I was concerned about injuring him through my clumsiness. I do not seem to have this problem hitting inanimate objects. Any hints beyond the obvious...?" This is something I have found difficult to get across recently. I'm getting my students to hit targets but when they feed each other for drills they are hitting empty air! Ask someone to feed an angle 1 and lean back and it wizzes past you without any need to block(whatever that means!). So I tell them to aim for the head, to use a full extension of the arm. Short term they do it and then they fall back to bent arm strokes that fall way short. The point of impact is sometimes the hand as the tip is so far back that it is yet to arrive. With the depth of experience here there must be some suggestions as to a way to get this sorted. On a side note I am hosting next week Marc McFann here in Scotland next week. Any lurkers out there from around this snowbound land interested give me a call. Marc will be covering Dumog and stick grappling. I have his England timetable as well on his current tour if anyone needs it. Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group * Phone: +44 (0) 1224 795314 * Mobile: 0410 401111 * Smtp: Patrick.Davies@Halliburton.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:39:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #57 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.