From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #61 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 10 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 061 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Typical Workouts eskrima: Music & Training (Conditioning) eskrima: Drawing the weapon back eskrima: The best knife? eskrima: black belts who haven't been in a fight since high school eskrima: Re: various threads eskrima: FMA Videos eskrima: question for crafty eskrima: War of Words eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #60 eskrima: Cold Steel Voyager eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:37:36 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Typical Workouts Hey, ! This post is in reply to the article asking about peoples different workout/ training regimens. First of all, I'm no expert, but I've been training for a good amount of years and have attempted a lot of different routines. The following is one of favorites! It was inspired by various past and present instructors, as well as by some SPECWAR( Special Forces) buddies. I'm not claiming to come from a SPECWAR background, I'm just your plain old civilian. * Abbreviations- PT- Physical Training; PMD- Pyramid workouts, i.e., slowly working up to a goal, doubling, or tripling the amount of repetitions performed on each set. Once you have reached you goal, decrease in rep's until you're back where you began. Repeat as many times as needed. Here's a quick example: Let's say that our goal is five push ups, five sit ups, five dips, five lunges, and 3 pull ups. push ups, dips, sit ups, lunges: 1,2,3,4,5,4,5,3,2,1 pull ups( should be 1/3 the amount of other exercises): 1,2,3,2,1 Pretty basic, eh? All should be performed in rapid successions. the primary emphasis is muscular endurance, the kind used most in fighting. Daily Exercises: Every morning, spend 30-45 min running through basics, internal energy( stand in place and vegetate- j/k!), and karenza, 100 different Iron Palm strikes, performed on bean bag w/ dit da jow. Or playing with my dog, Raiden( not named after Mortal Kombat). Dogs are great for footwork drills. Mmmm, but not for sparring partners. Ouch! M,W,F Strength Routine: Warm up- 15 minutes dynamic stretching/ Chi Kung, 5 minutes static stretching, followed by 20-45 minutes of swimming( yuck!), biking, Karenza/ shadow boxing, or running with Rai. *The following section should take about 40-45 minutes. PUSH PMD, consists of a circuit wide push ups, incline push ups, knuckle push ups w/ shoulder roll at top, diamond( hand over hand) push ups, and tricep dips, squats, lunges, one legged calf raises, flutter kicks, and good ol' leg raises. I start at 2 of each and work my way up the PMD to 30 each( in increments of 2) then cruise down the other side. PULL PMD, consists of any kind of pull ups you like( one armed, over hand, under hand, side to side, etc.). I usually start at 2 and climb up the pyramid( in increments of 2) to 14 or 16, and make my way back down. ABDOMINAL PMD, consists any five abdominal exercises you desire to perform. For abs, I work in increments of 5 up to 30 or 40, then back down. On M & F, I sneak in to the high school wrestling room and do do five, thirty foot rope climbs. If you're an avid rope climber, you probably don't need to do this one. These help develop good gripping power. You should feel like crap, now. If you have the time, perform static stretches for 20 minutes, or so. If not, catch up on stretching tomorrow. Total time: approx. 100 minutes, including cool down. T,R Training Routine: 3 hrs basics each day, to be completed before bed time. I aim for 2000 punches, 650 kicks, which can be accounted for in basic training as well as specialized training. Here's a generalized break down: 15 min footwork/ running, 45 min basics, 15 min focus mits, heavy bag, or Karenza, 30 min empty hand, 15 min chi sao/ hubud( sp?)/ siniwalli, 1 hr. messing around with basics and experimental stuff. *On S,U, the majority of my time is spent playing the All American game of "catch-up." I usually squeeze in about 4 hrs on S, and 2-3 on U. If you're thinking," Hey, man, some of us work!" I only sleep about four hrs a day. Too much coffee, I guess. Hope I didn't bore you to death! ~ Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:01:37 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Music & Training (Conditioning) Thinking of conditioning in the behavioral sense (e.g., Classical Conditioning, Operant Conditioning, etc.), what Tuhon McGrath has pointed out is a -very- important piece of advice for anyone who values the integrity of their mind. If anyone doubts that the music that they listen to gets "stamped" into their mind, everybody think "Always Coca Cola" for a sec ... OK, how many people saw a crooning kid on a bus or thought of their favorite movie theater ... try another ... see/hear Elton John singing the words "Diet Coke" ... how many people remember the girl in the red dress slapping her hips to the side as she looks over her shoulder and smiles atcha? If I got any "hits" just now, consider that those multimedia bytes are just things that we heard/saw in passing. I was at a seminar once where a guy was playing some kind of R&B love ballad during a grappling session ... I thought, "Naw buddy, WRONG FREAKIN' TUNE!" OTOH it's cool to learn of situations in which people have taken or are taking advantage of the reliable dynamics of the mind to achieve some "high" training. Cuts through the crapp of the conscious, excellent. BTW, the mind can "take the form of" what it experiences ... sometimes it requires repetition but in some situations, if associated emotional intensity is strong enough the number of repetitions can be effectively reduced. Strong emotional association can make some experiences go straight to the subconscious, e.g., childhood experiences that "color" the remainder of a life. It's just like hypnosis. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:06:24 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Drawing the weapon back While practicin gtoday I thought of another good reason for the pull-back ... the follow-up thrust. Consider a sumbrada pattern ... and the downward strike to foil the #4 in what I think is the most prevalent variant of this "box pattern." Opinions: Is it better to just do what some call "drop stick" or to thwack the #4 in an arcing move that draws our weapon back as the other hand checks? Similarly other sweeps and checks? Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:11:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: The best knife? Greetings all, I have rather carefully avoided the knife discussions for many reasons. But I will interject this thought .The best legal knife you can carry is a Stanley razor knife like the kind construction workers carry. They come in two sizes, one of which is designed for your keychain, they are totally legal in all cases to possess and carry, they have changeable razor blades, and they cost three dollars (if the need comes to leave it behind) and they will reach and cut effortlessly to 50% of the major arteries in the body through most common clothing. And for the "collectors" of knives: No, they don't come in Damascus steel with silver bolsters..... Tom ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:05:20 -0800 Subject: eskrima: black belts who haven't been in a fight since high school From Animal "This puts me in a moral dilemma because the most effective way to show the difference between what they are talking about and the realities of violence cause a major loss of face." Animal makes several good points, however I think the best way to show somebody something potentially embarrassing is in private. And yes, if it is to show them the difference between fantasy and reality, it needs to be done. Joe Hironaka ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:20:15 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: various threads >However, what I have recently re-encountered is the myth that >martial arts training automatically prepares you to handle street >violence. No argument there. >Unfortunately the people who are really pushing >this view point are black belts who haven't been in a fight since high school >and have never faced a gang member in their lives. Hallejulah brother! Note: In my very limited experience with gang members they are no tougher, braver, or better than others. More prone to shoot you or attack en masse, maybe, but they come apart just like everyone else. >Recently I did a demo for a women's self-defense course in front of a group of >black belts where I had a brown belt hit me with her best shot. Despite the >fact that I gave it to her, her best shot didn't stop me from taking her down >to the ground. Now here's something I can address without talking completely out of my a** :-) 1) It is a good thing that you had a neo-traditional student to demo on. Some of the women I know would have simply shot or stabbed you or slowly and methodically jabbed a thumb into your eye up to the second knuckle :-) 2) One of the marks of a good self defense or martial arts instructor is that he or she teaches applied pessimism. We teach our students to never count on one strike or even one series of strikes to end it. And "Don't stop until you hear the whistle!" which gets some physical reinforcement. I figure that way they won't stop too soon - no whistle no stimulus to stop. As best as I can make out more women get into physical trouble from stopping too soon than get in legal trouble from not stopping soon enough. 3) Script breaking: Consider the reality of attacks that most women face. Sexual assault, simple robbery, domestic violence. From what I've gleaned from the criminological literature, talking to a lot of cops, crisis center workers, survivors and other such we are not talking about the sort of duelling which most people take up MA for. The dynamic is different. Very often simply being ready and willing to hurt the bad guy as badly as possible ends it. And on and on. Contact AWSDA for lots more information than you wanted on the subject.... 4) So far with the best protective gear that money can buy a fair amount of mass and some small experience I've gotten two concussions, a cracked rib, and several minor injuries from women who were taking a ten week self defense course. Also bruised neck veins from one who had just fought off a football playing "friend" who wanted the virginity that she intended to hold onto for a while longer. These women weren't any stronger or tougher than average. They hadn't had a lot of training. What they did was pretty simple. Sorry, strike that, the gal who nearly did for my neck is one of the toughest and most pain tolerant people I have ever met. She was a gymnast and figure skater as a little girl, so she was taught to never cry, never show pain or weakness and to keep going no matter what the injury was. It was really kind of horrifying to watch her push her patella back into place and ask if she could be excused from kicking for the next few minutes. >Yeah it would have, in fact it would have >worked on the 7th degree head of the school because it was a matter of >momentum, not foiling a technique. (we've had the thread of how hard it is to >keep a grappler from closing on you before). Keep in mind that the assaults which women have to face in reality, not in a NHB-colored fantasy are not "a trained martial artist pulls out his arsenal of technique and engages in a Vale Tudo style match in order to get a submission or points". Testing for compliance is an enormous part of it. The typical sexual assault is preceeded by at least ten minutes of conversation. More often than not untrained determined resistance, especially on the part of a female victim ends the attack. No, she wouldn't win a set piece duel with you, but in reality she doesn't have to. Not that she shouldn't be taught every effective and underhanded way of tearing off your head and defecating in the hole. Not at all. But you have to consider the actual attacks that your students are going to face and prepare them for them. When my wife and I teach women's self-defense I'm the padded attacker. I could use every advantage that I have. I know these students and have seen them practice and know pretty much what they are going to do. I've also been in more fights and had more dojo time than almost any of them. It's my job to push them absolutely as hard as they can go and no further. Of course they get to win. But they have to work like hell and suffer some pain to do so. The point of the exercise is to change their reaction to fear and pain from "I'm helpless" to "I'm not available right now. The Thing in the Cave will be handling all calls." If all they have been taught is to keep moving forward and to keep hurting any target which presents itself it will be a lot harder for you to establish momentum and a lot easier for them to get it. Then the bad guy is in serious trouble. >I'm not here to destroy other people's credability, but on the other hand I >have a moral objection for telling people that what they know will stop an >actual attack. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. There are no guarantees. But just the fact that they will fight back when scared, hurt or surprised puts them a hell of a long way ahead of where they would have been otherwise. That's the reality. >Two points come to mind 1) when it comes to self-defense, most >martial artists that I have seen train to fight a lesser opponent (i.e they >train as if they will be fighting someone who will be surprised by resistence) Like I said before, that is the reality. Most criminals do not want or expect resistance. Otherwise they would have chosen someone else. Very few of them have a good Protestant work ethic. Of course you with lots of experience and a good knowledge of what the woman will do have an advantage. Congratulations. You would make a superior werewolf. The bad guys generally ARE surprised when the victim doesn't act like one. And even a couple of seconds of surprise can be enough. Suppose you had said "I want you to h" and she'd sunk her teeth into your throat, grabbed you hard by the balls and squeezed for dear life or head butted you and gone on from there while you were giving your "My dick is bigger than yours" speech. Yeah, you might have prevailed, but it would have been an awful lot harder. Your script would have been in serious disrepair, and even a skilled fighter such as yourself takes a moment or two to switch mental gears. >and 2) 90% of the trouble is caused by 10% of the people. And these people >wouldn't commit themselves to an attack if they themselves didn't have >something nasty up their sleeves. More like 2% of the people. And most of them don't commit themselves to a rape, robbery or the like unless they are pretty sure of getting what they want without having to work to hard for it. Even among stranger rapes and robberies a weapon is used less than 10% of the time and then usually for intimidation. Sure, he might use it, but generally he won't show it unless he's pretty sure that you'll fold up like a taco when confronted. Most robbers and rapists don't even do that. They count on the victim's complying or at most offering some token resistance. When they come loaded for bear it's most often a status thing or a serious economic thing, or they are just sick sadistic bastards who enjoy hurting women in which case she's got nothing to lose by pulling out the stops. >To support statement 'A' let ask you how many times have you seen a kick to >the groin taught as women's self-defense? Does anyone know a man who doesn't >automatically cover up when he sees a rising knee? Furthermore does anyone >beleive an experienced attacker doesn't expect that move? Indeed. That's why we don't teach that kick to the groin. It's what he expects. And even an untrained clueless guy can be lightning fast at protecting his cojones. But after a few elbows and head butts, a couple fingers up the nose, or having someone spit in your face a grab-squeeze-twist- pull can be wonderfully effective. Or when you are already moving backwards and your legs are opened up hitting high then kicking low is just fine. You just haven't LIVED until someone gets past the padding and the cup and does a turn-and-center throw with your goolies as the fulcrum. As I said before, there are no magic bullets and no guarantees. But it isn't that hard to shade the odds in your favor. >What are your thoughts on this one folks? You've gotten an earful of my thoughts on the matter. Regards, Todd tellner@cs.pdx.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:44:56 EST Subject: eskrima: FMA Videos Hello, Can anyone suggest some good FMA videos? I've been looking for videos to add to my collection. Has anyone out there found any good footage or tapes that are for sale yet are not widely advertised? Thanx in advance, Dave Saunders ------------------------------ From: jkdc@webtv.net (robert pugh) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:02:08 -1000 (HST) Subject: eskrima: question for crafty In the Feb dog bytes, Sled Dog passes the guard using a "toreando" technique.... for those of us new to bjj, would you mind describing? I couldn't make it out from the picture.... thanks in advance, rob ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:21:36 EST Subject: eskrima: War of Words This may sound like gossip, but it is more in the line of concern.....What the hell is going on between William DeThouars senior students, his daughter, and those supposedly lousy video's?? They are having it out in the martial arts newsgroup. Makes the William Cheung /Emin Boztepe seem tame, even though this just a war of words. Come on guys,....cant we all just get along??? tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:13:12 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #60 > Maybe Marc Denny could enlighten us on his NLP research and application?? Is > this exclisively from Richard Bandler, or is it the Anthony Robbin's > hybrid??---> > Just curious....... A Howl of Greeting to All: This is a long meandering one, only marginally related to FMA. Scroll if you wish. One of the great gifts in my life is that my mother only let me watch 2 hours of TV a week, one of which had to be Walt Disney. Instead I was given books and with them I did what I saw the people around me do. I read them. And over the years I have let my curiosity wander into many areas, but it certainly doesn't leave me feeling that it is my function to "enlighten", but I'm glad to share. If someone is interested, that's what we're here for. I once knew someone who was very skilled at NLP techniques, and although I had a different philosophy as to how and what they should be used for, I was impressed at their power. Certainly they can be used, as they so often are, to train sales people to sell, but there was the promise of more. So I went reading: one of Bandler's books, and put down one of Anthony Robbin's books halfway through, attended a weekend seminar, talked with people etc. I found very interesting the idea of the importance of the power of how one frames one's thoughts. You could do exercises and program yourself for success! Although I had some doubts about the claims of NLP as a school of psychology, mentally I said "Sign me up!" I tend to throw myself into things, and wound up doing some subliminal NLP hypnosis via headphones, with the goal of overriding "negative limiting thoughts" I had with the affirmations used by this technology. I was 40 and gung ho with my new discovery of BJJ before it was general knowledge and was using the headphone hypnosis stuff to reach for new levels in my training. And it was working. I was one of the 7 Americans that Rigan Machado took to Brazil with him to the school where he trained for the first time. Rigan worked me into what may have been the best shape of my life. I felt that I was still going up at 40. I was never going to die. And one day at the beach in Buzios, as part of showing off for some really cute girls whose hands I read, I went out body surfing out where the surfers were. Long story short, I got carried out in a rip tide and would have died if one of the surfers, who turned out to be from our group had not turned at the moment I was easier to see because a wave had lifted me up and come to get me at not insignificant risk to himself.. With me hanging on his leash, it took us 45 minutes paddling together to get in. But in terms of my outlook, I shook it off. Three months later, back in the US I was pushing myself to go train one night when I was really tired, my knee got snapped-- in part because I was too tired to notice and compensate for a hyper 6'7" idiot. In the surgeries that followed I used the headphone hypnosis stuff to prepare for the surgeries. The nurses were quite impressed at how quickly I threw off the anathesia. (sp?) But I began to reflect and came to feel that while the hypnosis process that I had done had merit for something like prepping for surgery, that as far as the big picture of one's psychological dynamics, it was kind of like partial equilibrium economics as versus general equilibrium economics. By that I mean, that PEE assumes other variables constant, i.e. no response from the system to a change of one variable (e.g. like static revenue analysis by a congressional bureaucrat in Washington DC in the face of changes in the tax rate) GEE in contrast assumes reaction-- thus a change in the tax code like Regain reducing tax rates from 70% to 30% led the rich to take their money out of tax shelters. Statically PEE will show this an increase in the disparity of wealth, but GEE will say "Oh, the rich aren't hiding in tax shelters (non-cash expenses offsetting cash flow) and are actually paying more in taxes and that is what is showing up in your statistics. Their behavior responded to changes in the tax code." No duh!!! But non-free market people seem to have trouble with this. In this sense, I see NLP as kind of like PEE ( There's a joke there if you wish ;-}) ---- it has its merits, but its best to understand that there are other forces as well. Thus with the headphone hypnosis subliminal affirmations, I had overpowered voices with in me that I should have, and perhaps would have, listened to. The blazing stupidity of what I did in Buzios, and of training while dead tired with a hyper 6"7" idiot ( a few years off of playing defensive end in high school football) had almost led to a very Darwinian finish to the adventure of my life, and had in fact led to a very substantial Darwinian setback. I was 40, and with an entirely busted knee. It looked like my chosen life was not to be. Yet I also believe that this experience emphasized the power of the articulation of one's thoughts. If I could overwhelm common sense, imagine what I could do if I aligned my thoughts with more care! I thought Bill McG's post of yesterday made the point of the power of the music/lyrics of one's "war dance" very well (among others) There is no choice about it, one thinks and these thoughts have power. I once heard a TV Christian minister analyze the first book of Genesis this way-- the words are "And God SPOKE , , and there was , , ,etc" and that this was the importance of the Commandment about "not taking God's name in vain". Interesting analysis. So what I have done is limit myself to the simple NLP exercise of expressing my thoughts only with positive words. The thought here is that the mind does not hear the negative word. Thus, if we say "Don't forget to , , ," the mind only hears "FORGET". The challenge is to learn to say "REMEMBER to , , ," It can be quite a study to notice how thoroughly the formation of our thoughts takes the negative for most people and extraordinarily challenging to apply this Concept impeccably to oneself. It always works for me (note: not "it never fails") to reflect upon whatever it is that I have a hard time saying according to this rule and reveals some place where my thoughts are not aligned. The solution is not, as I first tried, to chant some mantra to overpower them, but to go into them and find the alignment and then affirm it with my words. This is what I have learned from NLP. YMMV. Anyway, I have wandered a bit far afield here, but you asked about something I found interesting. The preceding paragraph is probably all that was necessary, but, well, there it is. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:14:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Cold Steel Voyager In a message dated 99-02-10 10:10:14 EST, you write: << I was interested in purchasing a small knife, maybe a folder. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks alot. >> I personally like tanto style blades, and like my Cold Steel tantos. The voyager is a tactical folder (has the thumb nob to open with one hand) and for the money is a good knife. It's the blade I most often carry, and use for a variety of tasks. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:54:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #61 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.