From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #62 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 11 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 062 In this issue: eskrima: stuff eskrima: Contact information eskrima: baybayin on Crafty's black baston eskrima: a quickie eskrima: Size Does Not Matter eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #60 eskrima: Re: Typical Workouts eskrima: Entries eskrima: its in da runes eskrima: its in da runes eskrima: Formulating Thoughts eskrima: Formulating Thoughts eskrima: Re: Mik's Music Article eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:04:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: stuff NLP ... I've been interested in it for years. I learned of it through an interesting synchronicity. I stumbled across a book by Ashida Kim that had a trisected model of a human head, to explain ninja concepts. A week later, I spotted a nearly identical picture on a street poster for an NLP lecture. While it is "cutting edge" psychology, it really brings back the saying that "there is nothing new under the sun." Yoga adepts know thousands of mudras (body language), just like ancient Greeks knew the same moves as the Gracies. NLP has great insights and techniques, but you can work the principles while studying a variety of sources. Grindler, Robbins, Huna teachings from Max Freedom Long .... >1) when it comes to self-defense, most martial artists that I have seen >train to fight a lesser opponent (i.e they train as if they will be >fighting someone who will be surprised by resistence) One of the things that attracted me to Serrada. In most arts, techniques presume the opponent is destroyed. End of technique. In Serrada, we are always supposed to anticipate the next attack, and this develops a better awareness (IMHO). >2) 90% of the trouble is caused by 10% of the people. And these people >wouldn't commit themselves to an attack if they themselves didn't have >something nasty up their sleeves. Absolutely true!!! They always figure their edge before committing. That's their survival. As for the groin kick, it's not that it won't work it's just that most people can't throw it without telegraphing it all over the place. It's that old "leading the mind" principle in Aikido; most attackers expect a woman to counter with the old standby, so look for it. If you can change their attention, the technique can work. Unfortunately, that's more work than many self-defense seminar students want to invest. On the thread about whether to block or not to block, whether 'tis nobler in the minds of masters to counter without the clash ... It comes down to timing and the ability to control both range and body angle relative to the attack. Whoever can best execute their strategy is most likely to win. Largo mano tends to move across the line of attack, using mobility and angulation to avoid the attack. It works. Closer systems, like Serrada, have less room to maneuver, plus defenses help disrupt the flow of the opponent and create openings for rapid-fire counters. Even there, body angle is important, and counters can be done without blocking, but since sinawalli (in the broader sense of weaving with the hands, not just double stick drills) utilizes both hands in an intricate pattern, one can learn to explode off a defense while the opponent gets disrupted. Which is better? Depends who can execute their strategy better ... In a way, this brings me back to the older thread about sumbrada, and whether drills are for beginners to learn, or warriors to stay in tune. One learns to flow to develop timing and vision. With those qualities, one can then break the timing to one's advantage. Harder to break timing if one doesn't sense it .... Off to New Orleans this weekend. Ron Harris always brings an interesting mix together at his camps. I look forward to seeing some old friends from the list there, and hopefully to meet some new ones. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:29:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Contact information Does anyone know how I can get in contact with Master Teofisto "Toby" Tobosa in Hawaii. Toby is currently living in Pearl City, Hawaii, and is actively running the Tobosa School of Kali/Escrima and actively promoting the arts of his Filipino heritage. Bebot Co Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:45:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: baybayin on Crafty's black baston Travis (Kilap@aol.com) wrote in Vol 06 : Num 057: [snip] what's the baybayin or old filipino script say on Crafty's black baston? Hello, Er, "Beware of Dog" LOL Sorry, I could not resist :-) Hy bakayaru@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:35:39 -0800 Subject: eskrima: a quickie Yip: Rob asked for a description of the BJJ technique "toreando". When dealing with someone's guard, there are basically three possibilities: 1) Ground and pound 2) lock a leg, and 3) pass the guard. A lot of wrestler's turned vale tudo like #1 e.g. Mark Coleman (BTW a singularly dumb fighter IMHO), shootfighters often like #2 and BJJ people tend to go for #3. In passing guard there are again three basic variables 1) Go under a leg as in the basic "single leg pass" (my favorite still btw) 2) go over a leg and 3) back out and go around. Of course one can break this down further (e.g. stack and toss) but for the moment this will suffice. Toreando is a back out and go around technique. Just as a matador zones to the side as the bull charges him, in BJJ the passer does a similar zoning footwork as he yanks and tosses his opponent's legs to one side. "Toro" means "bull" and the "ando" is a verb ending analogous to English's "ing", hence "toreando." HTH. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:26:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Size Does Not Matter In ED # 55, Guro Jeff "Stickman" Finder wrote: "I am physically bigger than the Filipinos I fought, but smaller than the Australian or British fighters I faced, and they were tougher for me. There's nothing particularly unusual for bigger/stronger people to have an edge in competition, in any sport." In padded competition the above may be true, but in unpadded competition size will not matter only effective techniques. I am more than twice the size of my instructor Gat Puno Abon but that makes no difference. It's like David and Goliath. Through my training with him I have come to realize that the person with the highest skills will overcome any weight, size or strength. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Barry Regan Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:09:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #60 > > To support statement 'A' let ask you how many times have you seen a kick to > the groin taught as women's self-defense? Does anyone know a man who doesn't > automatically cover up when he sees a rising knee? Furthermore does anyone > beleive an experienced attacker doesn't expect that move? > > What are your thoughts on this one folks? > Delurking to gripe about a pet peeve. I have had this argument with women at my school. They "know" that a knee to the groin will take any man out. I've played the attacker and let them try to hit my groin. Their response at their failure to hit is that I knew it was coming. My response to that is wouldn't any man? I think that the groin shot is a secondary target at best. Barry Regan ------------------------------ From: "Andrew F. Maddox" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:10:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Typical Workouts Another perspective on typical workouts: I know I'm not the only one out there who has to work hard to juggle things around enough to get even an hour free most days for training. So, the rest of you who look at these posts from people who describe their typical 2-3 hour daily training plans (lucky bastards! ;-) and feel completely envious, you've got company! I work, have a house to keep up, and have a wife and a teenaged daughter. So, I squeeze in workouts when I can. I get to club once or twice a week, where I try to concentrate on all the partner drills I can (flow drills, thai pad work, sparring, y'know - the stuff you can't do alone). I try to bike to work 3 days a week - that's about 5 miles each way, unless I have time to take an extra loop, which gives me a pretty good aerobic base. (If I couldn't do that, I'd never get *any* aerobic work!) 2 or 3 days a week, I do weight training. I do forms and light footwork for warmup and stretching for that. I also try for one day a week of bag work, or hitting trees and tires, and 1 or 2 days of footwork/carrenza/silat jurus. Over the years, I've learned how to focus my workouts pretty well on what I need. So, I can spend 45 minutes to an hour at most on them, and still get decent results. And yes, I have weeks (sometimes several in a row) where I don't do a *thing* because of work, family, or other obligations. I don't let it get to me, just keep training as much as I can. I stay in good enough shape for me, it's all a question of balance. Train smarter, not harder!! afm ____ Stupid is as stupid does, and sometimes I sure do! Andrew Maddox, voicing only his own opinions, and not even sure of that. PGP Key fingerprint = 0A 6C 1D CA 2B 39 A9 0E 76 D9 1E 3D 12 44 03 E6 madsox@radix.net, http://www.radix.net/~madsox ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:11:00 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Entries Hello all, I've been enjoying the sparring thread, I have only recently (in the last year) started minimal armour sparring. Luckily for me most of the people I have spared with are of a higher level than me. This allows me to review my performance on the tape and try to correct my flaws, which are easily identified by the fact that my opponents are astute enough to pick up my openings. My question to the group is what strategies do you use to close the gap prior to actual stick to stick contact at long range, I am constantly being caught on the way in, I know my footwork's one of the problems, or maybe all of them, and I am making efforts to correct this. I am sure that the more experienced people on the list would be able to give me a few pointers on this important aspect of the long range game. Regards Paul - ----------------------------------------------------- This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:59:32 +0000 Subject: eskrima: its in da runes Travis Kilap@aol.com >Anyhow what's the baybayin or old filipino script say on Crafty's black baston? Uhh..."fetch, morro, fetch"? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:59:32 +0000 Subject: eskrima: its in da runes Travis Kilap@aol.com >Anyhow what's the baybayin or old filipino script say on Crafty's black baston? Uhh..."fetch, morro, fetch"? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:59:48 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Formulating Thoughts In hypnosis it is verboten to use negation in the formation of suggestions. Anything intended to be delivered to the SUBCONSCIOUS mind should be crafted (hey Crafty!) in terms of intended outcomes. It can be that simplistic but it can also be very powerful as part of more complex arrangements of scenarios and LOGIC backed by EMOTIONal cues. The logical part of presenting some construct or another to the mind guides the mind to where we want it to "go." I like to frame this as my "the logic is inescapable" construct. The emotional part anchors whatever we're trying to deliver in a way that goes directly to the subconscious. Simplicity is best. What Grand Tuhon Gaje was doing was efficient and powerful simplicity at work. NEway, the contrary to the popular anit-logic of many of our "contemporaries" ... logic is a very important component of training or conditioning thought/behavior processes. When properly arranged, the logic is inescapable, the mind follows because it is essentially captured by the steps of the logic (depends on the subject [person] and their capacity for discernment too, though ... this is an important component of serious training in yoga, e.g. learning to "separate oil from water" ... like being able to see through the flim-flam man or find the flaws in someone's logic/reasoning ... ain't nuthin' psychic about it, just sound reasoning). Emotion and emotion-laden inroads to the subconscious can come from direct associations with the various senses, e.g., incorporating focus on visual, tactile, kinesthetic (movement), olfactory (smell), auditory, etc. can yield easy inroads to the subconscious. Visual is primary for everybody (visual dominance ... recall the car beside you moving backwards, we "feel" forward movement, eh?). There are very direct and simple ways to get to states where we can make maximum impressions on the mind (and behavior, incl. training/learning). Der simpler der better, that's what the subconscious likes and responds most powerfully to. Again, I reference the commercial media: a lot of research and hundreds of miles of tape go into commercials that last for a few seconds. Two of the slickest that I've seen to date came from Fruitopia and more recently Honda (I think). The Honda commercial uses the frequency following effect to induce a waking hypnosis. Notice how everything starts to move in synch with the beat of the music? The windshield wipers, the people walking on the sidewalk, the boxes being unloaded from the truck, etc. None of it has anything to do with the car, but the mind gets captured and manipulated ... the background suggestion dropped into the subconscious during all of this is the new car ... and the viewer "comes out of it" at the same time that the couple in the commercial "comes out of it." Similarly, consider what can happen to a mind that constantly listens to "bitch-slappin' gangsta rap." GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). I always encourage people to use mental rehearsal of everything that they are learning ... the mind experiences things that we do "out in the real world" in the same way that it experiences things that we "do" in our imaginations (Don't believe it? when was the last time one of your arms or legs jumped when you were thinking about fighting or watching a movie or sports event? When was the last time you experienced - -anything- in response to watching a movie?). This reinforces what has already been said re: using negative language constructs in "speaking" to the subconscious (or teaching). In mental rehearsal, only correct performance is permissible. For example, consider mental rehearsal of the "box pattern" (sumbrada). First solo, from any start point run through the sequence in your mind while relaxing. Let's say you make an error. Stop immediately and start again from the beginning. At the first occurrence of any error, stop and restart from the beginning until perfect. Then speed it up. This can be as effective as physical practice. Don't believe it (not even the references that I might provide), test it. A clean, straightforward, simple, direct, powerful tool. Efficient and effective, it should be used away from distractions. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:59:48 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Formulating Thoughts In hypnosis it is verboten to use negation in the formation of suggestions. Anything intended to be delivered to the SUBCONSCIOUS mind should be crafted (hey Crafty!) in terms of intended outcomes. It can be that simplistic but it can also be very powerful as part of more complex arrangements of scenarios and LOGIC backed by EMOTIONal cues. The logical part of presenting some construct or another to the mind guides the mind to where we want it to "go." I like to frame this as my "the logic is inescapable" construct. The emotional part anchors whatever we're trying to deliver in a way that goes directly to the subconscious. Simplicity is best. What Grand Tuhon Gaje was doing was efficient and powerful simplicity at work. NEway, the contrary to the popular anit-logic of many of our "contemporaries" ... logic is a very important component of training or conditioning thought/behavior processes. When properly arranged, the logic is inescapable, the mind follows because it is essentially captured by the steps of the logic (depends on the subject [person] and their capacity for discernment too, though ... this is an important component of serious training in yoga, e.g. learning to "separate oil from water" ... like being able to see through the flim-flam man or find the flaws in someone's logic/reasoning ... ain't nuthin' psychic about it, just sound reasoning). Emotion and emotion-laden inroads to the subconscious can come from direct associations with the various senses, e.g., incorporating focus on visual, tactile, kinesthetic (movement), olfactory (smell), auditory, etc. can yield easy inroads to the subconscious. Visual is primary for everybody (visual dominance ... recall the car beside you moving backwards, we "feel" forward movement, eh?). There are very direct and simple ways to get to states where we can make maximum impressions on the mind (and behavior, incl. training/learning). Der simpler der better, that's what the subconscious likes and responds most powerfully to. Again, I reference the commercial media: a lot of research and hundreds of miles of tape go into commercials that last for a few seconds. Two of the slickest that I've seen to date came from Fruitopia and more recently Honda (I think). The Honda commercial uses the frequency following effect to induce a waking hypnosis. Notice how everything starts to move in synch with the beat of the music? The windshield wipers, the people walking on the sidewalk, the boxes being unloaded from the truck, etc. None of it has anything to do with the car, but the mind gets captured and manipulated ... the background suggestion dropped into the subconscious during all of this is the new car ... and the viewer "comes out of it" at the same time that the couple in the commercial "comes out of it." Similarly, consider what can happen to a mind that constantly listens to "bitch-slappin' gangsta rap." GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). I always encourage people to use mental rehearsal of everything that they are learning ... the mind experiences things that we do "out in the real world" in the same way that it experiences things that we "do" in our imaginations (Don't believe it? when was the last time one of your arms or legs jumped when you were thinking about fighting or watching a movie or sports event? When was the last time you experienced - -anything- in response to watching a movie?). This reinforces what has already been said re: using negative language constructs in "speaking" to the subconscious (or teaching). In mental rehearsal, only correct performance is permissible. For example, consider mental rehearsal of the "box pattern" (sumbrada). First solo, from any start point run through the sequence in your mind while relaxing. Let's say you make an error. Stop immediately and start again from the beginning. At the first occurrence of any error, stop and restart from the beginning until perfect. Then speed it up. This can be as effective as physical practice. Don't believe it (not even the references that I might provide), test it. A clean, straightforward, simple, direct, powerful tool. Efficient and effective, it should be used away from distractions. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:06:08 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Mik's Music Article I liked what you had to say( or type) in your article. I'm a percussionist and drummer and I know how music helps get one into the zone. I tried drumming with a senior instructor awhile ago at a seminar and it really helped everyone get into the flow of the drills. Quick question: I know of tintakling( sp??) being used as a musical timing drill.... does anyone know of any other FMA or any MA musical timing drills they'd like to share? I'd appreciate the info.! Mabuhay ang Eskrima( Digest)! ;) Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #62 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.