From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #67 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 14 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 067 In this issue: eskrima: SRK knives and sticks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #66 eskrima: re: Bahi Wood eskrima: David Carradine eskrima: Re Stress and State Dependent Learning eskrima: Buddhist Mikkyo from Tibet? eskrima: Re: Yo-yos eskrima: Re: Bahi/Anahaw eskrima: Re:1000 + members eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Manny Gonzales Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:06:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: SRK knives and sticks For those of you who live in Southern California, I was just wondering, whatever happened to SRK, the company who sold training knives and sticks? It was owned by 3 guys out in the LA/OC area. Their logo was a shark with a rattan stick in its mouth. Manuel T. Gonzales | mango@uci.edu | ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:14:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #66 Meowmixnews to all, CAT Society is hosting GM Ramiro Estalilla of Rigonan-EstalillaKabaroan System When: Saturday, Febuary 20, 1999 Time: 12 noon- 4 pm Place: 3918 Atalantic Ave., Long Beach, CA. (between Roosevelt/Carson St.) Cost: $40.00 at the door Contact: Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Email: Arniste@aol.com Bring training weapons or buy at the seminar Topics will cover: *Single/ Double Stick(s) *Largo Mano Fighting *Stick Grappling ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:33:30 EST Subject: eskrima: re: Bahi Wood From what I've read about Bahi, it is the wood of palm trees. Which palm tree that is, I don't know. My guess would be coconut palm, but I'm probably wrong. Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com Modern Arnis Student ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:46:55 EST Subject: eskrima: David Carradine In a message dated 99-02-14 17:03:33 EST, you write: << One more thing.... Is David Carradine for real??? I know he has a show, and more recently a book, but did he ever, really, pursue any Gung Fu training( other than "by-the-mail-black-belt-programs")??? >> Carradine calls Sifu Kam Yuen his master. Kam Yuen joined the cast of Kung Fu to demonstrate the Praying Mantis form. He stayed on to double as Master Po, and to double for Carradine untill Carradine learned to kick for himself. He then took over for David Chow as kung fu coordinator for the series. Carradine says he then started to trian under Kam and they have been become life-long friends. Carradine says it was Kam Yuen who wanted him to write a book about Kung Fu, and that's why Carradine wrote "The Spirit of Shaolin" I have not see all of the videos Carradine has out, but I know the "Tai Chi" video was created by Kam Yuen and David Nakahara. (Kam did the Kung Fu workout video with Carradine as well) While Carradine is in this video and does the naration, Kam is the one out front doing the moves. (Carradine follows along with the others.) I haven't seen that many of the Tai Chi videos out there, but I have been told there are better ones than this one. I thought it was a bit difficult to learn from. The reason I got the video was that I like Carradine and I got it free. The book on the other hand, "The Spirt of Shoalin" I bought on a recommendation from a Karate instructor, and I liked it. The first half was about Carradine's movies and involvement with Kung Fu, while the second half was philosophy on training, etc. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "G. Michael Zimmer" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:59:08 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re Stress and State Dependent Learning This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------1AE520ED58A7EAA70EFE850A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With regards to high exhaustion, high stress training. I would like to get a clearer idea of what is learned and not learned under these conditions. I would have thought that the U-shaped curve for optimimum anxiety versus performance would also have relevance to stressors versus learning. Is this is different mechanism? I cannot go into the neuro-chemistry and neuro-anatomy as some of you have, but behaviorally, it has long been noted that with too little stress, we don't do so well, and with too much stress, we don't do so well. In partucular, if you get too anxious, your fine motor coordination goes to pot. We peak with intermediate levels of perceived stress. Maybe this is simplistic, but it was considered sound decades ago when I was in school, and I am not aware of more recent research. With respect to stress and performance, I have been in enough altercations (in another life) that I understand how screwed up your fine motor control and perceptions can get during a confrontation. So, maybe if you train under high stress conditions, you perform better under such conditions. I certainly was not subjected to that sort of MA training, except when working with the Japan Karate Association (big on training until exhaustion - 1000 kick sessions, etc.), and my instructor has never told me of this type of training happening to him in Cebu in the 50s in the FMA. He had coaching in fighting a duel from a noted duelist of the day, Jose Villasin. What he has told me is that when you worked out with the head of the Balintawak Style, Anciong Bacon, you got stung a lot. When I hear my instructor say "stung", I don't hear "severe physical abuse on the knuckles" as some recent posts have discussed :->. Rocky P., has Ted Buot ever talked about this stuff? I know that you studied Pekiti Tersia (under Erwin Ballarta?), so you are familiar with the rough and tumble training in PT. Regards, G. Michael Zimmer Votiticity Martial Arts - --------------1AE520ED58A7EAA70EFE850A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Zimmer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Michael Zimmer n:Zimmer;Michael email;internet:gmzimmer@islandnet.com x-mozilla-cpt:;0 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - --------------1AE520ED58A7EAA70EFE850A-- ------------------------------ From: "JYCHOW.AU.ORACLE.COM" Date: 15 Feb 99 13:57:34 +1100 Subject: eskrima: Buddhist Mikkyo from Tibet? Mik wrote:- >Rmenants of these traditions and practices continue in the Buddhist Mikkyo >schools (e.g., Ninpo) which have a lineage that goes back through China >to Tibet (Mikkyo =3D Mi Tsung [Mi Zong]). > Normally Mik writes excellent comments, but I have to disagree on this one which is a point that I often write in Tibetan and Reiki issues (and later proven right by antagonists). The Vajrayana (Mit Tsung, Mikkyo, Shingon) of Japan came from China, which came directly from:- 1) India 2) eastern Middle East (eg. the ancient Kingdoms of Khotan, Tufan near Turkistan) which came from India. Not from Tibet. These teachings started filtering into China around 300-200 BC. Buddhism was quite entrenched into China more than 500 years before Tibet. = The winner of the 3 Warring Kingdoms was Toba Wei which was a Buddhist Kingdom. That was 220 to 280 AD. There was a new development in Vajrayana in India after the old stream had gone to China and eastern Middle East. These new Tantras include the Samvara, Guhyasamaja, Hevajra, Kalachakra Tantras which went to Tibet. Thus, the Vajrayana teachings of China and Japan are from an older stream. That is why Chinese/Japanese Tantras do not include these later developments. Even the teachings of the so-called Old School (Nyingma) or Red hats belong = to the new development. (My classification is different from the Tibetans. In Tibetan, the old schools is are collectively called Nyingma. The new schools - several - are called Sarma, meaning new. I am citing from OUTSIDE the Tibetan context. Old school =3D China/Japan New school =3D Tibet). Buddhism did not come to China via Tibet. Even according to patriotic Tibetan historians, King Tsongten Gampo married a so-called Chinese princess who, being very devote, converted the king to Buddhism. This was the 1st Buddhist king in Tibet. (Patriotic Tibetans say that she was a princess - talk big. But Chinese chronicles recorded her as a maid of a princess). (I am leaving out 'fabulous' martial exploits of Tsongten Gampo and Gesar of Ling here) The Vajrayana practised by the Mongol and Manchu emperors is Tibetan Vajrayana, usually of the Sakya Sect. This is not practiced by the Chinese = population, and is not Mikkyo or Shingon which existed hundreds of years prior to Vajrayana setting foot in Tibet. As a matter of history, when Vajrayana was dying out in China and was transported to Japan by Kakui, it was firmly established by around 810 AD. Padma Sambhava had just about arrived in Tibet! And after his demise, it was persecuted until only 5 monks were left in Tibet. It was only in 1000 AD that it made a good return. This is 200 years after Vajrayana died virtually died in China, and 200 years after it was firmly establish in Japan. So, we got the events in wrong chronological order............. The old Mikkyo school filtered into mystical tradition of warriors. This is= what Mik is refering to. eg. The practice of the 9 Mudras is a popular practice of Mikkyo but has no place in Tibetan Buddhism where the mudras are not often used, and when used, not in the same way and same applications. In the secret warrior's art, the 9 Seals are to empower him to overcome the = opponent. (Similar to Anting Anting). This has no application in Tibetan Tantra. Sorry Mik. Couldn't resist a topic close to my heart! Cheers! John Chow (of Nyingma School) ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:04:23 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Yo-yos In a message dated 2/14/99 5:00:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: eskrima: yo-yos Someone was asking about finding old Filipino yo-yos. I noticed two for sale on ebay.com. They also have a few old Filipino ("Pacific Islands") swords on auction. >> The old Filipino Yo-yo is made out of Guaba wood, Yakal wood, Kamagong wood, and Maulawin wood. You can find a lot of Original Yo-yo back home where is originated originally in Paete. History of Yo-yo is clear that originate from Paete, Laguna is written in Philippine Airline Broschures. But if you looking for the original Pilipino Yo-yo I am planning to export some Yo-yo from my home town this Month. Yo-yo is original toys of natives of Laguna its was made in Paete. To those of you does not know Paete is derives from the words "paet" its means "chisel" the tools that Paetenos using for their well known wood worksmanship. Paete was founded in 1580's since that time Yo-yo's existence was recorded. I know Kamagong is banned in the Philippines to be exported. Its going to be hard to bring bulk of it so I will take my time to take in small number at that time. I would also try to order the other wood made yo-yo such as guava wood, yakal wood, maulawin wood. etc, I grow up with yo-yo as a kid primary toys in our towns. I will keep you posted if the batch arrives okey? Gumagalang/with respect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:20:50 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Bahi/Anahaw In a message dated 2/14/99 5:00:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Peter Sampogna Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:09:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: bahi/anahaw does anyone have the species name of this wood or a source for it i'm making some....... stuff Peter Sampogna >> Bahi is the hard fiber wood came from the Anahaw Palm tree that grow in Tropical Islands Philippine. Anahaw is the original name given in the Philippine as their national leaves. Anahaw leaf is the primary used for house roof the famous Philippines "Huts" Bahay Kubo. The fiber wood has to ranges between 20, 25 years or older to get the best "Bahi" . The darker the "Bahi" the stronger it is. Do not be fooled by a lot of "Bahi" out there in the market a lot of them is coconut tree and other type of palm tree such as Anibong, Sasah, Pugahan and Bunga (bittle nuts) tree, etc. I have Ten "Anahaw Bahi" made wooden swords on my collection I took it and made it myself when I went home las July last year. I hope it will help a bit of what is your looking. Gumagalang/with restpect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:27:21 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:1000 + members In a message dated 2/14/99 5:00:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << There are now over 1000 of us here on the Eskrima-Digest. Only seems like yesterday when we thought we were really something with an 'amazing' 60 subscribers! And many/most of those original 60 are still with us! !!! Ray Terry, Bravo! Mabuhay! this succes is thrue yours un-tiring works. Thanks to you. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:38:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #67 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.