From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #69 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 16 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 069 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Carradine and Bahit( sp?) eskrima: Flow in Training eskrima: Mi Tsung / Mikkyo eskrima: Mikkyo etc. eskrima: Stress learning eskrima: conditioning eskrima: advertising eskrima: Payback eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:47:55 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Carradine and Bahit( sp?) First and foremost, thanks for the info. on D. Carradine, Alain! That's been on my mind for quite some time, now. Just one more thing... I heard that when Lapu Lapu's party confronted Magellan's crew on the shores Mactan( recently, I heard it might of been Mattan. Any input?) that they used a form of bahit( sp?) sticks that had been cured in mud for a certain period of time. It is to my understanding, that after the sticks had soaked in mud for quite some time( months, or years) they were set out to dry and crystallize. After being cured in this manner, the sticks were, supposedly, strong enough to withstand a powerful blow from a sword. Does this ring any bells? If so, does anybody have, or know how to attain the recipe? And , exactly how strong were these sticks? I mean, were they strong enough to take a blow from a broadsword or a kampilan( sp?)? I would appreciate any angles on this topic. Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:23:43 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Flow in Training > As most people know, FMA especially Pekiti Tirsia has/have > big emphasis on FLOWING. The movements are trained very fluidly. Through my > own experiences with teaching I know that there are a lot of people who are > not able to relax. Tensed muscles are hindering the ones that should do the > work (protagonist/antagonist). When the muscles get powered out the > restistance of the other muscles get less. The hole body is now flowing. > And, in the process of learing movements what could be more important than > repetition. > This made me think of how traing with a flow orientation can effect the smaller muscles involved in any action. When the emphasis is ALWAYS power, smaller muscles involved in our actions may not get the type of work that they need to make their best contribution. The smaller muscles may suffer exhaustion before the larger ones and fuirthermore, part of the range of motion of the larger muscles may go undeveloped. Like weight lifting, smoother, slower movements will involve more of all of the muscles acting across the joints involved in the exercise. The smaller muscles involved will get their "fair share" of the work and all of the muscles will be developed through their full range of motion. Flow in training may have some of the same effects. In addition, flowing actions have a finer effect on our kinesthetic awareness (sense of joint angles/position/force&motion, etc.) then we speed it up we have greater control and maybe better effect. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:36:01 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Mi Tsung / Mikkyo > Normally Mik writes excellent comments, but I have to disagree on this one > which is a point that I often write in Tibetan and Reiki issues (and later > proven right by antagonists). > > The Vajrayana (Mit Tsung, Mikkyo, Shingon) of Japan came from China, which > came directly from:- > 1) India > 2) eastern Middle East (eg. the ancient Kingdoms of Khotan, Tufan near > Turkistan) which came from India. > > Not from Tibet. > Didn't say that it was from Tibet ... just said that the lineage "goes back" ... perhaps a poor choice of words. Buddhism bypassed Tibet and went to China, Japan and Korea. At one point there was a choice made in Tibet to follow the Buddhist transmission from India instead of crom China. None of this means that Chinese Buddhist schools had no effect on Tibet ... and there is nothing to suggest that Tibetan teachers did not later influence Chinese, Japanese and Korean schools. I know of Japanese and Koreans who describe their Buddhist practices as "exactly like those in Tibet." They are pointing back to Tibet, not to China or India. Who am I to argue? There are practiotioners of Ninpo (Japan-trained) who point back to both _Tibet_ and _Africa_ (comparing their scrolls with African cave paintings as "exactly like") ... h'mmm. Apparently some Buddhist transmissions to China, Korea and Japan do have Tibetan roots. Not too difficult in the real world, after all, even thought the Jesuits may have been the first Christian "missionaries" in Japan there are all kinds of Christians there now, eh? Maintaining an open view on the world and its processes ... of which we only know hearsay anyway ;-) Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:22:17 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Mikkyo etc. > The old Mikkyo school filtered into mystical tradition of warriors. This is > what Mik is refering to. > No, just referring to a vein of practices that have relationships to other veins of practices. According to my sources, the Mantrea = Tantric = Mi-Tsung = Chen Yen = Japanese Shingon. In China, this school was "supplanted" by lamaism, hence the Tibetan link alluded to and I ain't even gonna try to lay out any lines of transmission, consider me ignorant! Didn't intend to get into the actual lineages as you've laid out so well, but consider that there is always interaction, even between what appear to be totally disparate paths (like people who are now creating "new" "traditions" within their faiths after studying one form or another of yoga, then denying any link to their yogic sources!). > The practice of the 9 Mudras is a popular > practice of Mikkyo but has no place in Tibetan Buddhism where the mudras > are not often used, and when used, not in the same way and same > applications. > In the secret warrior's art, the 9 Seals are to empower him to overcome the > opponent. (Similar to Anting Anting). This has no application in Tibetan > Tantra. > Don't want to get into this too deep, but just because these practices may not be found within the -religious- practices of Buddhist Tantric schools does not mean that they are not Tantra. Tantra is essentially - -ritual science-. Tantra, which predates Buddhism, includes many "manipulations" and "sacraments" for many purposes, including the likes of fighting and returning people from death. Case in point: Dim Mak/Tian Shueh is related to the striking of Marmas taught in Kalari Payyat and Vajra Mushti (Vajra Mukti?). In Kalari Payyat (and VM) the training involves the use of various mudras and mantras. Kalari Payyat includes many Tantras, including methods which supposedly allow the "adept" to stop someone just by touching them - or without touching them.. Tantra is not just a religion thing ... hey, this is getting into gray areas that I don't like to get into, so onward ... > Sorry Mik. Couldn't resist a topic close to my heart! > No problema muchacho ... hope the original post wasn't offensive to read ... I wouldn't characterize the topic as "close to my heart" but I am twice-initiate Bharata Dharma and twice-initiate Buddha Dharma (HYT). Born Catholic, I now follow no particular religion (Islam and Sufism are dear to my heart though) ... I teach (and try to practice) that ethics and morality transcend any particular "ism." We can "all just get along" that way. Thanks for the history lesson though :-) Oh BTW, any presentation of history can only relate a partial history, correct? Yo ... Mik, what's this got to do with FMA? Uh, I dunno mon, sorreeeee :-) Be well, Mik [a.k.a. Amitabha Lokeshvara] ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:36:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Stress learning > If you learn under stressful conditions and become successful in that > environment enough times, won't that environment become LESS stressful? > It is so ... described earlier. Many variants on systematic desensitization, habituation, etc. Check out The Science of Behavior. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:33:39 +0100 Subject: eskrima: conditioning >An instructor at the FBI defensive tactics course I attended said "The >time to really ingrain the technique into the student is when they can >barely stand up". - -Tuhon McGrath- This quote reminds me of something a Thai boxing instructor told me near the end of a workout. As he was feeding me he said that the last two strikes of the round are where you learn the most (and therefore I must execute them correctly!). I didn't understand what he meant at the time. >Thinking of conditioning in the behavioral sense (e.g., Classical >Conditioning, Operant Conditioning, etc.), what Tuhon McGrath has pointed >out is a -very- important piece of advice for anyone who values the >integrity of their mind. If anyone doubts that the music that they listen >to gets "stamped" into their mind, everybody think "Always Coca Cola" for >a sec... - -Mik- A classic example of this relationship is found in the book and film "Clockwork Orange". The main character (whose name escapes me) is forced by doctors, as therapy, to repeatedly watch films of extremely violent images. These violent images are always accompanied by classical music. The end result of the therapy is that the violent images and the classical music are inextricably linked in his mind. He cannot listen to a piece of classical music without being overwhelmed by the violent images (and their emotional content). The treatment affects not only his love of violence, but also his love of classical music. Respectfully, Chris H. student: Executive Edge Martial Development ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:33:57 +0100 Subject: eskrima: advertising >Again, I reference the commercial media: a lot of research and hundreds of >miles of tape go into commercials that last for a few seconds. Two of the >slickest that I've seen to date came from Fruitopia and more recently >Honda (I think). - -Mik- I found this example interesting because the waking hypnosis worked in capturing your attention, but the ad (as described) was not successful because it has been associated with the wrong car company (honda instead of volkswagon). A memorable ad is not a successful ad if the viewer does not recall what the ad was for. This relationship is the challenge faced by art directors, and solving the problem is what separates the truly talented from the majority. The ad (and Crafty's initial experiences with NLP) seem to demonstrate the potential effectiveness of hypnosis and the unpredictable nature of the results it can obtain. Sincerely, Chris H. "There are two things every American thinks they are good at: sex and advertising." ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:53:27 EST Subject: eskrima: Payback I don't know how many people have seen the new movie with Mel Gibson " Payback". There is a nice (although short) seuquence sequence with Jeff Imada using the balisong. Also Mel seems in a better shape that Lethal Weapon IV (no gramma's arms) :-) Stay cool. Luca LLevorato @aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #69 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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