From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #70 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 17 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 070 In this issue: eskrima: Ho from CO eskrima: Payback eskrima: Stress training eskrima: Ads eskrima: Re: David Carradine eskrima: stick hardening eskrima: Re: Bahit(?) recipes eskrima: Re: Injuried/handicaped ? eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:45:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Ho from CO Hello from Colorado... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:52:27 EST Subject: eskrima: Payback Kinda of a neat note on Jeff Imada. The majority of the list is too sophisticated to really get a kick out of film-fighting in terms of innovation. We look forward to Jeff Imada. So much for Van Damme(thanks Chuck Zito), Steaming Seagull, and the like. I did find the Spetznatz/Sambo guy opposite Van Damme slightly interesting in Maximum Risk. Anyone have history on him?? No doubt he is the film version of "Russian Martial Arts" Valeri Vasiliev. None of these can hold a match to Kickboxer 4 with Burt Richardson, the Machado's, Capoeira, Hung Gar, Won Hop Kwan Do, Silat, and more.--Was that Salty Dog at the banquet table???---Tom Furman ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:49:11 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Stress training Regarding the stress trainiing a few comments: When you are in a high stress situation, pumped up with adrenalin, your brain does not work and all techniques that you do are the ones, that you have automatized, so you can do them without thinking (think about a situation, where you drive a car and suddenly a ball rolls in front of your car. You will hit immediately the breaks without thinking: oh, a ball, there could be a kid running after the ball, I should hit the breakes. The breake pedal is left of the throttle pedal: right foot, hit the break pedal) This would take far too long and the kid would be dead by then. So under real high stress you can do what you have trained to the extend, that ou can do it without contiously thinking about it. You need about 3000 - 5000 repititions of a movement, to get it automatized to that extend. You cannot learn new techniques in such a situation. That brings me to a comment, Tom Meadows wrote in ED V6/#85 > An example : When I reviewed my notes from the first Instructor's > training seminar which he held back in 1995, I counted over 6000 discrete > techniques presented, from at least 50 different systems including at > least 30 FMA systems, more than 20 basic system striking patterns, and my > notes had words from seven languages in it. By the way, this was in 16 > hours of training! This means, that over the 16 hours (without breaks), every 10 seconds a new techniques was presented. I have the highest respect for Guro Inosanto, but in the respect of learning and giving the students time to practice the techniques, I donīt know if this is a good way. Regarding the lactad acid in the blood while training: When the lactate is getting too high, i.e. when gou go into anaerobic workout, you loose the fine coordination of your muscles. (Try an extensive forearm weight training and write your signature right afterwards. You are lucky, if you can recognize it.) (Btw., just a simple rule to distinguish if you are still aerobic: if you can still talk when you are jogging your metabolism is still aerobic. If you are breathing heavily and have problems to keep up an conversation, you are in the anaerocbic metabolism). This means, when you practice techniques, that you have not 100% automatized, your technique is not precise any more and gets wrong. If you keep up training and repititions with that much lactat in your blood, you are automatizing a wrong technique. If ou do this all the time, and you execute the technique even when you are fresh, you still donīt do it as precise any more as before. I donīt say that ist is not beneficial to practice also in this situation, but one should rely on well trained techniques and not try do learn or practice new techiques. The rule we learned at the German Sports Academy in Cologne was: Firs warmup, then technique-training before power and endurance training and never afterwards. Just my 0.02 cents Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions European Modern Arnis Representative E-Mail: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de Internet: http://www.dao.com/abanico/ ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:55:37 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Ads > I found this example interesting because the waking hypnosis worked in > capturing your attention, but the ad (as described) was not successful > because it has been associated with the wrong car company (honda instead of > volkswagon). A memorable ad is not a successful ad if the viewer does not > recall what the ad was for. This relationship is the challenge faced by art > directors, and solving the problem is what separates the truly talented > from the majority. > It was the attempt to capture my attention that got my attention (sorta like making mental notes about someone who's trying to flim-flam you) ... I purposefully attend to ads that I think are well done in terms of attempts to use subtle manipulations and try to pick apart what the ad-"maker" is attempting to do rather than paying attention to what they're trying to sell ... out of respect for my own mind. Maybe that's why I didn't remember the car make ... it was the use of cognitive science and technology that got my attention, noticing how they'd arranged everything pretty much in counterpoint ... and maybe the rain itself suggested relaxation. I usually turn the volume off and go do something else (stretching, push ups, etc.) during commercials. I vaguely remember saying to my wife "None of that has anything to do with the car, they're just hypnotizing people and dropping in the visual car cue" before going to do something else. I cringe at how the ad-makers will proceed having contemplated the potentials of the Fruitopia "campaign" and this Volkswagen thing. They're going to use everything they can get away with (hope that isn't offensive ... I simply suggest that there are laws supposedly governing things like subliminal cues which for example can be easily circumvented by fading a cue in and out of recognizable clarity ... we may not pay direct attention to it but it may make a sigificant impact on some minds, see whatI mean?). If I see that VW ad again I think I'll try to determine the frequency of the rhythm that they're pushing to see what they're up to. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:41:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: David Carradine I don't know if this story is true, probably just another one of those martial arts myths, but I think its a funny story none the less. Supposedly Chuck Norrise once said to David Carradine, "Your as good a martial artists as I am an actor." ------------------------------ From: Andrew Johnson Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:18:50 -0800 Subject: eskrima: stick hardening >that they used a form of bahit( sp?) sticks that had been cured in mud for a certain period of time. It is to my understanding, that after the sticks had soaked in mud for quite some time( months, or years) they were set out to dry and crystallize. After being cured in this manner, the sticks were, supposedly, strong enough to withstand a powerful blow from a sword. Does this ring any bells? The australian aborgines soak their walking poles in an ochre coloured tar to harden them. I do not know the exact origin, but I've held one and they are not only lighten (probably dessicated due to the curing) but hard as a rock. I am told that they were used to hunt crocodile. A group would circle the croc and went he went for one of their legs, they jam this stick in the way. While the croc rips through the stick (which they WILL eventual do) the other club it to death. I don't know if this is an apochryphal tale or not, as I've never seen it done, but I did meet an old Aborigine man in Queensland with no left leg below the knee. All he said about it was "crocodile". ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:58:21 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Bahit(?) recipes In a message dated 2/16/99 12:43:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Just one more thing... I heard that when Lapu Lapu's party confronted Magellan's crew on the shores Mactan( recently, I heard it might of been Mattan. Any input?) that they used a form of bahit( sp?) sticks that had been cured in mud for a certain period of time. It is to my understanding, that after the sticks had soaked in mud for quite some time( months, or years) they were set out to dry and crystallize. After being cured in this manner, the sticks were, supposedly, strong enough to withstand a powerful blow from a sword. Does this ring any bells? If so, does anybody have, or know how to attain the recipe? And , exactly how strong were these sticks? I mean, were they strong enough to take a blow from a broadsword or a kampilan( sp?)? I would appreciate any angles on this topic. Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! Fry Bread Boy Where did you read this part of history or heard? I have never seen it or ever this parts? But anyway I am not a historian so will leave at that. The recipes of the wood that can stand to any kind of blade strike including brodswords,samurai, Kampilan etc. The Rattan is one of them, Bahi, Coffe wood, yakal wood, kamagong and citrus wood. Most of this wood has the capability of stopping the sharp edge of any sword blade. You cannot cut this wood in only single strike or blow. The recipes of burrying the wood in certain time and when is ready the wood has tempered into a iron like wood. is depend on type of wood the camagong if is wet is easy to cut it, as a woodcarver and Kamagong is one of my favorites wood to curve I know that the more longer it is in the water is the more the wood got in softer. So I would not really tell you to dipped the wood in the muds and later you will find out the truth that is now the wood is breakable as easier than the not dipped. Once it is dried (tuyo) the wood become brittle(malutong) and breakable(magapok). The only wood that can be dipped is those wood that they used in housed foundation (Haligi) like Malagmat wood, Maulawin wood, Madre Cacao wood and Bamboo. The reason why they dipped this wood into the water or muds for 45-90 days to permented them for the termites and other animal wood eater creatures. I hope its help a little to answer your question. Gumagalang/with respect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:33:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Injuried/handicaped ? - -----Original Message----- From: BILL MCGRATH To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:20 PM Subject: Injuried/handicaped ? >Ray's comments on gun training (weak side drills, one hand reloading, etc) >got me thinking about some drills we have done because of injuries or >handicaps. > >New York PT Director Guro Mike Popolizio had an odd injury in his class >recently. One of his students is a police officer who can't afford to go to >work with an injured gun hand. Therefore when he spars he wears a heavy >hockey glove. Mike was sparing with him and hit the student in the hand at >the knuckle of the middle finger. The metacarpal "see-sawed" in place and >dislocated at the wrist. I had never heard of an injury like that before and >wonder if anyone on the list have seen something similar and if doctors have >a name for a dislocation that occurs when the opposite end of the bone is >impacted. > >One drill I teach has a number of left hand strikes built into the >technique. It is kind of a precursor to espada y daga training. While the >student healed, Mike had him train on the heavy bag going easy with his >stick hand, but really hammering the bag with his left in the different >strikes from the Abcedario de Mano. When the student got back to full >sparing, the concentration on left hand work really paid off as he became >"Tyson with a stick" in corto range according to Mike. > >A few months ago, I had a cyst removed from my left armpit. Minor operation >but I was told not to move the arm for a few days so I wouldn't mess up the >stitches. The next class I taught the group Bwa Taju, a style of Penchak I >learned that was developed by a one armed man. We also did some takedowns >from Pekiti and Penchak that don't require both arms and some push dagger >work. > >A student of one of the PT guys in S. Carolina lost a leg above the knee to >cancer many years ago. We had to modify the PT footwork to adjust for his >prosthetic leg. He could pivot around the prosthetic leg fairly well, so >we used that as a focus point for his footwork (kind of like teaching a LEO >to keep his gunside back). >An interesting side note: The prosthetic leg was a nasty weapon in certain >situations. Not for kicking, as his range of motion didn't really allow for >effective kicks, but in grappling. If you tried a double leg takedown and >got a hand caught behind his knee when he went down, you were putting your >hand into a guillotine as the knee closed. > >My question is, what other drills/techniques did list members give their >injured or handicapped students, how far did you have to modify your >technique and in what way? > >Regards, >Tuhon Bill McGrath >PS. I am looking forward to meeting any list members who are attending my >seminar at Guro Inosanto's next Tues. and Weds. Please come up and >introduce yourself so I can finally associate a face with your name. > ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:22:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #70 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.