From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #72 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 18 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 072 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #71 eskrima: Re: Mardi Gras camp [none] eskrima: escrima expert? Re: eskrima: escrima expert? eskrima: Tired Muscle, Lactate, etc. eskrima: Austin, TX eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #71 eskrima: GM Ramiro Estalilla`s Seminar in Long Beach,CA. eskrima: Music & Training eskrima: my teaching technique is a result of your learning ability , , , eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:01:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #71 In a message dated 99-02-18 09:52:28 EST, you write: << Wittmayer who suffered from bi-polar disorder, had approached Haro to see if he could get a cigarette. >> If he's dead, how does anyone know what the guy was after when he came up to the knifer? >After he fell to his knees, Wittmayer was stabbed several more times around the shoulder blades. If studmuffins really was an expert then he could have carved the guy several times before he fell. Still it is proof that you need to know when to stop defending yourself because you have taken it too far. He's going down on this one. Remember girls "You have the right to do whatever it takes to stop an attacker, you don't have the right to jump up and down on his chest after you have knocked him down" ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:13:08 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Mardi Gras camp Question for Stickman or anyone else who attended the Mardi Gras camp - how was the stick fighting on the last day, and what were your impressions of the Western Swordsmanship? Though I have not met Clemonts, I find that the point orientation of the Western arts realy adds some zip to the thrusing we use in the FMA, and was wondering what the class he did was like. Pete Kautz Arnis-Kali Ithaca ------------------------------ From: "Richard Killick" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:35:18 -0000 Subject: [none] Hi to all, Does anyone on the list have any do's and don'ts tips for someone visiting the Philippines? A friend of mine is going there for six months to do some aid work, I believe he is going in to the southern parts! Any tips that would help this brave soul would be appreciated. Thanks Richard Killick ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:41:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: escrima expert? "Haro is an expert in Escrima. He knew what he was doing" Uh Huh. Anyone know what school he came from? This could be a canard (a false report or story) put out by the prosecutor (shades of Ken Starr) to influence public opinion, playing on prejudice against a minority. It also makes one wonder what moral values might be instilled in classes he (allegedly) attended. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: escrima expert? > Uh Huh. Anyone know what school he came from? This could be a canard (a > false report or story) put out by the prosecutor (shades of Ken Starr) to HiHi, another one fooled by the Whitehouse... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:08:35 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Tired Muscle, Lactate, etc. > That means that if the muscles get tired there are other factors (too much muscle-pressure on the veins or arterys > metabolism gets down?) > Apparently it is so. A muscle or other organ can experience oxygen debt and fail to do its thing ... e.g., the case in which a muscle uses up its available oxygen before the circulation can fully replace it. Call it ischemia. Ischemia is painful. An ischemic muscle cain't do no work nohow, lactic acid or no. So, like the man said, there can be other factors involved besides the build up of lactic acid. Oxygen is one rate-limiting factor in the muscle cell's production and use of energy, i.e., there are a number of steps in cellular respiration that limit the "execution" of other steps. Back in the late 70's we discussed this in physiological and organic chemistry, i.e., the possibility of increasing work (athletic) capacity by supplying some of the substances associated with rate-limiting steps in the Krebs cycle. There are a few on the market now (alpha-keto-glutarate is one ... I think ... need to check that). Oh yeah, pressure on the arteries/veins ... a problem during sustained pressure. Normally the contraction and release of muscles assists the movement of blood through the veins. Doing things like isometrics, for example, can temporarily impede circulation ... the muscles tire quickly for this and other reasons ... if in doubt, compare how long a time you can tolerate isometrics and/or dynamic tension with how long a time you can tolerate other types of exertion. During isometric contraction and dynamic tension much less (if any) blood passes through the muscles being used. That means that waste products are not being moved along (e.g., CO2 and lactic acid) and oxygen and other needed substances are not being moved in. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:04:09 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Austin, TX I know someone in Austin Texas who is interested in a good martial arts program for herself and her teenage daughter. If anyone has a referral, you can contact me directly. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:00:01 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #71 >> Dieter Knüttel wrote: >> >> When the lactate is getting too high, i.e. when gou go into anaerobic >> workout, you loose the fine coordination of your muscles. (Try an extensive >> forearm weight training and write your signature right afterwards. You are >> lucky, if you can recognize it.) > > Bernd Giller wrote > How far as I know the lactat-level is not the only factor of tiredness. In > University we made tests where we had powered out totally the arm-muscles > without causing any effect on the lactat-level in the blood. That means that > if the muscles get tired there are other factors (too much muscle-pressure= > on the veins or arterys metabolism gets down?) important. Usually lactate is measured by taking blood out of the ear. If you do forearm-training, only relatively small muscles are active in comparison to the whole body, so the lactat that you measure at the ear is not high. But that is not the point. When the musclers are contracted only 15 %, the bloodcirculation in these muscles is reduced by 50%, if the muscles are contracted 50%, there is no bloodexchange any more. That means, that the lactat adds up in these muscles and can´t be transported away, so that the lactat level in these muscles is getting higher and higher, so you get tired and the coordination gets lost. As soon as you relax, the blood-exchange starts again and the high lactat concentration of the forearmmuscles is getting diluted by the rest of the blood with low lactat and at the ear you will not measure a high lactat level at all. But in the working muscles is was extremly high during the workout. > Also: Lactat is a metabolic-product of gyclogen. If there is no the lactat= > - - > level is not able to raise. But, nevertheless you get exhausted - powered = > out. I don´t understand this. Regards Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions European Modern Arnis Representative E-Mail: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de Internet: http://www.dao.com/abanico/ ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:40:11 EST Subject: eskrima: GM Ramiro Estalilla`s Seminar in Long Beach,CA. Meowmixs to all, CAT Society is hosting GM Ramiro Estalilla Jr. When: Saturday, February 20, 1999 Time: 12n- 4 pm Place:CAT SOCIETY 3918 Atlantic Ave., Long Beach, CA. between Carson St./Roosevelt Ave. Contact:Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad ARNISTE@aol.com Cost: $40.00 at the door Bring training weapons or buy at the seminar Direction: LA 405 fwy. So.,exit Atlantic Ave.,go north Pasadena 710 fwy. So.,exit Del Amo Blvd.,turn rigth Atlantic go South Covina 605 fwy. So.,exit Carson St. go West,Left on Atlantic go South Riverside 91 fwy. West,exit Atlantic Ave. go South Orange Co. 405 fwy. North,exit Atlantic Ave go North ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Music & Training I know that there was a thread about using music in training, but I don't remember specific types of music being discussed. What types of music do people use as a training aid? Is there any "traditional" filipino music that you use? What about all you silat players, any traditional music that you use? If there is traditional music, where can I get some? TIA. Dave dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:35:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: my teaching technique is a result of your learning ability , , , A Howl etc: "This means, that over the 16 hours (without breaks), every 10 seconds a new techniques was presented. I have the highest respect for Guro Inosanto, but in the respect of learning and giving the students time to practice the techniques, I don´t know if this is a good way." If I may interject here, I think it is important to keep in mind the context in which a teacher is operating. It is a pretty good trick to teach a room of 100 people of wildly different levels, both technically and psychologically. In a large situation, the teacher with the breadth of knowledge required for such an approach may feel that the best thing to do is to open minds and stimulate the imagination. I certainly know how relentless (and patient!) Guro I. is with me. To use one example of many, he still doesn't like my 5-6-7 in the numbering system and I've been working on it for a few years now , , , , PT people will recognize GT Gaje's story of "What is this?". GT may shade it according to the point he is making at the moment, but on one level I think it can be understood as saying that there are two different teaching modalities. One is to teach answers, the other to draw attention to the right questions. FWIW, it is my impression that many Americans are more accustomed to the former, and may not recognize when the teacher is operating in the latter. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:17:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #72 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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