From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #73 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 19 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 073 In this issue: eskrima: wittmayer v. haro eskrima: Silat Music and Teaching eskrima: more Mardi Gras update eskrima: Lactat eskrima: RE:Lacatic Acid Re: eskrima: more Mardi Gras update eskrima: GM Estalilla eskrima: Please forward this to the Escrima digest eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Ward Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:45:50 -0800 Subject: eskrima: wittmayer v. haro > >After he fell to his > knees, Wittmayer was stabbed several more times around the shoulder > blades. > > If studmuffins really was an expert then he could have carved > the guy several > times before he fell. Still it is proof that you need to know > when to stop > defending yourself because you have taken it too far. He's > going down on this > one. This brings up a point often talked about in the firearms training community, and is similar to the earlier workout music thread: the hazard of ingraining an immediate deadly response to threats. One anecdote that has stuck with me was related by a cop who religiously trained his pistol drawing technique, culminating each draw with a well-aimed tap to center mass of the target. You can guess what eventually happened. Well, he didn't actually shoot anyone, but he got very close. While getting a well-oiled 'stroke' down is advisable to anyone who carries a firearm, one should also practise drawing without *automatically* firing. The unfortunate Mr. Haro may have been reflexively finishing his initial techniques as he had practised thousands of times before that, with finishing stabs to his downed opponent. And yes, he's going down. Best regards, mfw - --------------------------------------------------------------- markfward o_o mfw@quokka.com webmaster / )o www.quokka.com quokka sports (_/ $HOME = /dev/null - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:09:53 EST Subject: eskrima: Silat Music and Teaching As far as silat music. Cass Magda's wife has a CD out that uses Indonesian music with rock and roll and vocals. It sounds real good. Another thing pointed out by Cass. Teaching styles. Guru I is Filipino but teaches as an American coach. You know, timer, three minute periods, sweats, etc. Pendekar DeThouars is from Java, but has been here since 1950. He teaches by demo, observation, and moving from one idea to the next, or just tossing you on the ground. He wears street clothes. I understand that knife fighting is sometimes demonstrated with kitchen knives. (a photo of the the DeVries brothers in shirts and ties training exists). Learning silat is a very different experience with these two gifted teachers. As far as teaching so many techniques well,... that is conceptual. Learning hubud, or step and slide, or the Lacoste salute, or the guard position, or Bukti Djuru one, could mean you are learning the root of hundreds of techniques. Tom Furman..tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:58:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: more Mardi Gras update >HiHi, another one fooled by the Whitehouse... I don't THINK so! Clinton did a big stink, but I think Ken Starr really jeopardized the legal system and constitutional checks and balances. If nothing else, he made all prosecutors seem suspect. Look how many have said they wouldn't have pursued this case against an ordinary person. Enough said here. This can go offline... >Question for Stickman or anyone else who attended the Mardi Gras camp - >how was the stick fighting on the last day, and what were your impressions >of the Western Swordsmanship? The stickfighting the last day was alright. Not too many to participate, and I think folks were a bit tired from the grappling and Muay Thai. A lot of the full contact closed to grappling, with one really good BJJ finish. The desire to close seemed, IMHO, to keep good stick exchanges down, and I think there was room for kicking under these circumstances, since in closing the stick wasn't as active to prevent this. Especially if it's unexpected ... I thought John Clements did an outstanding job of covering the development of western swordfighting from medieval through renaissance styles, from great swords to cut and slash up to the rapier. We did a few simple drills for two handed sword and some fencing with espada y daga, and as I have experienced before, a good fencer who knows how to use the tip can be formidable. I certainly do not have the same skill in thrusting that he had, and my only advantage lay in closing, where I could use the knife. Not easy to triangulate footwork against that tip ..... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:49:10 EST Subject: eskrima: Lactat Dieter Knuettel wrote: << > Also: Lactat is a metabolic-product of gyclogen. If there is no the lactat=3D > - - > level is not able to raise. But, nevertheless you get exhausted - power= ed =3D > out. I don=B4t understand this. >> What I want to say is: Lactat is a product of the glycolyse (hope this is the right term and spelling) - the reduction from glucose, or in muscles glycogen. If the glycogen reserve is empty (after a long distance run or a diet) the body cannot build any lactat anymore. Then one can get powered out, getting tir= ed without any big raising of the lactatlevel. I agree with the rest of Dieter Knuettel=B4s words. But, according to my w= ords about "arm and lactat" I am not sure if we took the blood out of the vein = of the forearm or out of the ear. If you take it from the ear - Dieter Knuett= el is right, of course. BTW, I just wanted to point out that the lactat is often "overinterpreted"= ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:39:56 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE:Lacatic Acid I'm confused by all this gibberish about Lactic Acid and Oxygen. Lactic Acid is produced when the end product of Glycolysis (the breakdown of glucose), Pyruvate has no oxygen available in the muscle tissue to enter the TCA cycle and oxidative phosphorylation. In anaerobic conditions, Pyruvate is reduced to Lactate to regenerate NADH + H+ to NAD+. Lactate builds up in the oxygen deprived tissue and changes the pH in the muscle tissue = burn. When the muscle relaxes, blood flow resumes and Lactate is transported to the liver to be regenerated into glucose by gluconeogenesis. Jeff Monaghan ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: more Mardi Gras update > >HiHi, another one fooled by the Whitehouse... > > I don't THINK so! Clinton did a big stink, but I think Ken Starr really > jeopardized the legal system and constitutional checks and balances. HiHi Ok, whatever. Now back to FMA. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:42:39 -0800 Subject: eskrima: GM Estalilla A Howl etc: Last night after class Guro I. commented to me that he would attend GM Estalilla's Kabaroan seminar this Saturday in Long Beach but for the fact that he is out of town doing a seminar. He and I attended a seminar GM Estalilla about a year and a half ago and he said to me that he saw things he hadn't seen before and that it had been a long time since that had happened. I would be attending, but the Hermosa Clan of the DB is having a day of sparring that cannot be rescheduled. When I showed Eric some of what I (mis?)remembered of the Kabaroan, he was intrigued. And I hope I am not out of place if I mention that list member Tom "the Whip" Meadows has high regard for the system as well. The conception of range and weapons is distinctive and it has stimulated my thinking. Indeed, it was my day of training with GM E. at his home that helped my crystallize my thinking about the second of DBMA's 7 ranges, "Stick Squared". GM E. does not emphasize fighting, but if you keep your mind open, there's a lot of value. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:47:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Please forward this to the Escrima digest >Please excuse my forwardness but I've been trying to send the following >message to the list, but it keeps getting bounced and I was wondering if you >could forward it for me. > >I'm going on holiday for a few days and I wanted to throw my $0.02 cents in >to the pot before it gets too cold. It's mostly to do with the "escrima >expert" stabbing the guy in Stockton, the potential backlash from this >scares the crap out of me... > >Thanks in advance > >Jon Howard. > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >Sorry if this sounds a bit dumb but.... > >>Oh yeah, pressure on the arteries/veins ... a problem during sustained >>pressure. Normally the contraction and release of muscles assists the >>movement of blood through the veins. Doing things like isometrics, for >>example, can temporarily impede circulation ... the muscles tire quickly >>for this and other reasons ... if in doubt, compare how long a time you >>can tolerate isometrics and/or dynamic tension with how long a time you >>can tolerate other types of exertion. During isometric contraction and >>dynamic tension much less (if any) blood passes through the muscles >>being used. That means that waste products are not being moved along >>(e.g., CO2 and lactic acid) and oxygen and other needed substances are >>not being moved in. >> >>Be well, >>Mik >> > >Does this mean that isometric / dynamic tension is ultimately bad for you? >or is it a way of promoting muchos muscular development in not-so-muchos >time? > >On the so called "Escrima-Expert" the reporting sounds like it could be the >precursor to a witch-hunt similar to the one we had in the UK a couple of >years ago when some psycho (who had been granted a firearms certificate by >the Police - AFTER everybody had warned that he was "not quite right") went >postal >in a kids school in Scotland and killed a stack of local children. > >The resulting public backlash fired up by some left-wing do-gooders on a >crusade, and a national newspaper (that's held in as much regard as the >National Enquirer) banned ALL handguns, semi's, revolvers .22's the LOT! >Moves are still afoot to ban Rifles, Shotguns - even Air weapons (including >BB guns)!!!!!! > >The result - Several thousand legimate, responsible, registered gun-owners >have lost the sport they love, possesions that they cherish (and spent LOTS >of money on), are out of pocket (due to compensation STILL not being fully >paid out). Several people working in the gun industry (and related areas) >lost their jobs / businesses (some even lost their homes). > >Has this new legislation had any effect on the numbers of gun related >crime - HAS IT HECK! (since when did criminals register the guns they >own! - or the knives they carry, and how hard is it to find a stick on the >ground?) > >Be afraid - be very afraid! > >As Jeff stated the bias of the reporting may not be strictly accurate - hey >this guy might not even study escrima (other than watching someones video >series) but nobody is going to give a f***. The Escrima community >especially in Stockton need to publicly denounce and seriously distance >themselves from this guy FAST! and do some SERIOUS PR work and damage >limitation lest he be the catalyst for a very very bleak future... > >Mabuhay ang eskrima! > >Comments, gentlemen please.... > > >--------------------------------------------- >Jon Howard - jon@full-fat.com > >"The mind is like a parachute, they both > work best when open" ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:01:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #73 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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