From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #74 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 20 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 074 In this issue: eskrima: Re:Clements eskrima: "Traditional" training music eskrima: Silat tapes eskrima: Updating files eskrima: Teaching.... eskrima: Ramiro Estalilla eskrima: Mardi Gras Martial Arts Camp eskrima: Lactic Acid Gibberish eskrima: Isos & Dynamic Tension eskrima: instructors eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:14:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:Clements In a message dated 2/18/99 7:13:39 PM, you wrote: <> Now that Clements has actually met/exchanged? with some FMAs and spoken with them, I was wondering if he has acknowledged that there is more to the FMAs than he originally claimed in his HACA essay as plain derivative of Western swordsmanship? Will he make any corrections on his essay? Thanks in advance. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: "boloman" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:02:22 -0800 Subject: eskrima: "Traditional" training music > eskrima: Music & Training >From: "David W. Fulton" >What types of music do people use as a training aid? Is there any >"traditional" filipino music that you use? If there is traditional music, >where can I get some? Keep in mind that "traditional" is very subjective due to the many regions and cultural minorities of the Philippines. What is traditional for the Kalinga may not be traditional for the Tausug, Bagobo, or Subanon, etc. Traditional music for the mountain tribes of Luzon may primarily use plate-like instruments called "gangsa", whereas a Southern Filipino tribe may use primarily the kulintang; this results in a very different feel and mood. If you like that Southern Philippines flavor, check out www.sulu.com for Sulu Arts & Books, located in San Francisco. I don't know how updated their site is, so if you don't see the music represented in their online catalog just give them a call. Two CD's to definitely look for are by the World Kulintang Institute, and the other by Danongan Kalanduyan (who I believe taught some of the people in the first group). As for other types of music to use in an informal setting, it depends on the training group. We've listened to The Cure, various techno, plain old radio--whatever. Whatever floats your boat and gets your blood pumping. Alvin Albano IESA +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: pneasham@micron.net (Philip Neasham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:30:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: eskrima: Silat tapes Hello all, I would like to have coments on all of the silat instructional videos out there: which ones are best,for what reason,etc. Perhaps rating them on a scale of 1 to 10 would be helpful. Also how much can you learn from a video? Philip Neasham pneasham@micron.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:55:25 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Updating files I'd like to update my files. If Kim Satter and Rocky could send me their current email addresses (Rocky - might be a student in it for you ;) I would appreciate the info. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Michael Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:29:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Teaching.... Marc wrote: "If I may interject here, I think it is important to keep in mind the context in which a teacher is operating... One is to teach answers, the other to draw attention to the right questions. FWIW, it is my impression that many Americans are more accustomed to the former, and may not recognize when the teacher is operating in the latter." I agree. The two instructors that have had the most influence on me used a combination of "follow what I do" and the Socratic method of questioning. Very little explanation. A lot of work followed by questions designed to teach me to think about the questions. Ex. after a particularly hard knife workout..Guro P. had me repeat a very basic movement. He then asked me what I was doing..long story short, he tortured me with repeated movements and questions(what, where, why, etc.,etc). I finally collapsed and said I was doing the movement he had shown me. He laughed and said yes I was. He said that he had never said I wasn't, but obviously I wasn't sure I was. Also on the subject of context, I once asked why he never taught groups or gave seminars ( I knew that he was not opposed to them). He replied that he simply did not believe that he could teach that way. He said that he taught the individual. This might require an entire evening one one movement or a sensory overload of many techniques and movements to teach one point. You simply could not teach that to a group. Regards Michael ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:15:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Ramiro Estalilla Greetings, Mr Denny is correct in his statement that I recommend training with GM Estalilla. First, he is a very nice gentleman, and this is reflected in his student's attitudes as well. What I like about his Kabaroan system is that you can clearly see the ties to turn of the century eskrima styles and training methods , said connection of which has gotten quite muddy in most of the modern systems, including the Doce Pares that I currently study. Students of Diony Canete do however have the good fortune to train 1932 era Doce Pares techniques as a separate curriculum in addition to the modern techniques. So if you can GM Estalilla's seminar, by all means do so. Tom Meadows tmeadows@fix.net ------------------------------ From: "Jan A. Miernyk" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:45:19 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Mardi Gras Martial Arts Camp I would like to echo and somewhat expand the earlier comments by Jeff = Finder on the 1999 Mardi Gras Martial Arts Camp put on by Ron and Lalaine = Harris. It was an outstanding array of instructors and students, and = covered training in all ranges of combat. The camp began with the loquacious, interesting and always informative = Jeff Finder presenting some of the concepts of Serrada eskrima. Having = trained mostly in styles that are more middle-range oriented, it's = "interesting" for me to see how things work (and sometimes do *not* work) = at a much closer range. "Let's see if we can figure out why it is that I = ALWAYS hit your hand on the third strike of sumbrada." Indeed. And = perhaps how I can *avoid* this in the future as well!! :-) The second session took us to even closer range as Alfredo Ramirez = presented his interpretation of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. John Clements did a very thorough job of describing the development of = western swordfighting from Medieval, through Renaissance styles, and up to = development of the rapier. Out of necessity, much of the hands (blades) = on material involved only John and his students although there was some = sparring at the end. This was my first exposure to Western Sword = Fighting, and also the first time that I (a wrestler) have felt that = closing the gap would be more than a little problematic!! =20 The final day of the camp again began at long range, with Ron Harris = teaching San Miguel eskrima, a dos manos style developed to counter the = Japanese officer's sword. A variety of two-man sets were taught, and = practiced using both linear and circular footwork. In the final teaching session, Ron and Lalaine Harris taught the essence = of Ron Smith's St. Louis-style Muay Thai. Like all Muay Thai sessions, an = elevated heart-rate and perspiration level were quickly achieved. =20 Then, the finale. With the teaching over, it was time to, "Get it on!" = As Jeff noted, participation was probably reduced as the result of = fatigue. Nevertheless, it was both entertaining and informative to = observe the current generation of Guro Ron's students take on the previous = generation. And to see how the one Western Sword student who chose to = participate was able to fare against those with an exclusively FMA = background. "Good fight(s). Good night". =20 And then Mardi Gras!! But, I guess that part of the camp wasn't really = ED-oriented, eh?! Mardi Gras 2001 is a *long* way off. But, maybe it isn't too far off to = be marking your calender. I know that it is marked on mine!! Jan Miernyk, aka Dr Death ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:32:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Lactic Acid Gibberish > I'm confused by all this gibberish about Lactic Acid and Oxygen. Lactic > Acid is produced when the end product of Glycolysis (the breakdown of > glucose), Pyruvate has no oxygen available in the muscle tissue to enter the > TCA cycle and oxidative phosphorylation. > If I didn't know what TCA means, would that be gibberish to me? H'mm. NEways... TCA (tri-carboxylic acid) cycle = Citric Acid Cycle = Krebs Cycle. Most people have heard of the Krebs Cycle ... and by the way, alpha-keto-glutarate IS one of the limiters that I mentioned in a previous post, also succinate. I often don't say things 'cause I dson't want to come across as "I know" kinda guy ... prefer to lead the horse to water or tell him where it is or might be and let him find it ... might learn sumthin' along the way, make sense? So, diving in for the last time on this one ... Glucose can take a number of routes in energy production for muscle action by glycolysis and oxidation of the end products of glycolysis (the oxidative phosphorylation mentioned above). Glycolysis yields two molecules of pyruvate, 2 ATP and 4 hydrogen atoms. In the presence of adequate oxygen (aerobic) the pyruvate gets converted into Acetyl Coenzyme A (Acetyl Co-A) which then enters the Krebs/Citric Acid/Tricarboxylic Acid (TCA) cycle. The Krebs cycle yields 2 ATP, 4 CO2, 16 hydrogens and 2 Co-A molecules. The most important output of this cycle is hydrogen for use in oxidative phosphorylation to produce 30 ATP (the real cellular bang when oxygen is present). > In anaerobic conditions, Pyruvate is reduced to Lactate to regenerate NADH + > H+ to NAD+. Lactate builds up in the oxygen deprived tissue and changes the > pH in the muscle tissue = burn. When the muscle relaxes, blood flow resumes > and Lactate is transported to the liver to be regenerated into glucose by > gluconeogenesis. In the absence of adequate oxygen (anaerobic) the hydrogen ions are combined with NAD+ to form NADH, and some of the hydrogen remains unassociated as H+ ions. When the concentration of either NADH or H+ become too high, the pyruvate, NADH and H+ react (due to lactic dehydrogenase) to form lactic acid which readily moves out of the cell. The general purpose for this reaction is to remove the end products of glycolysis from the cell so that glycolysis can continue. If they were not removed glycolysis would stop and we'd be dead in the water. The time limit is a few seconds. The cell can continue for a few minutes in the absence of oxygen because we have this mechanism for removal of pyruvate, NADH and H+ as lactate. The "burn" is a function of inadequate oxygen aka oxygen debt (ischemia) and the acidic pH. Unassociated H+ ions are primarily responsible for the acidity (acdi/base balance of all tissues includes manipulation of H+ [hydrogen ion] concentrations). On return to the oxygenated state the cells quickly decrease the concentration of pyruvate, NADH and H+ via oxidation, the chemical reactions that form lactate reverse, lactic acid becomes pyruvic acid, much of which goes into the akrebs cycle as described above. The return to aerobic conditions and conversion of lactate to pyruvate with subsequent entry of that pyruvate into the Krebs cycle (with associated OP) creates a lot of ATP (excess?). The extra ATP causes "as much as three-fourths" of the excess pyruvate to be converted back to glucose. So, some of the lactate can be used directly for energy, some can be converted back to glucose in gluconeogenesis as mentioned above. Although much of gluconeogenesis occurs in the liver it does occur in other tissues. Another VGT: The heart is especially capable of converting lactate to pyruvate for energy production. This happens during HEAVY exercise when our muscles release a lot of lactate into the blood. OK, I shutting up now. Hope that was helpful to somebody. If it's gibberish, well what the hey. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:40:19 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Isos & Dynamic Tension > >Does this mean that isometric / dynamic tension is ultimately bad for you? Not at all. Was just suggestting differences between the physiology of various types of muscle action, e.g., running for 10 minutes vs. standing in a horse stance for 10 minutes vs. dynamic tension for 10 minutes. > >or is it a way of promoting muchos muscular development in not-so-muchos > >time? Yeah, isometrics are supposedly the fastest way to increase strength ... trying to move something that is immovable makes us quickly recruit all muscle fibers into the effort. I've never crossed any reports on dynamic tension, but it's probably similar with the added benefit of simultaneous strengthening of opposing muscles. This probably has benefits for joint stability/strength. Anyone here know anything about that? It just makes sense to me. It's easy to point out muscular imbalances with dynamic tension ... try doing some with your legs ... usually no contest between the quads and hamstrings. Hey, anybody out there still use a Bullworker besides me? Is that thing still on the market? Nice tool. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Arturo Castillejos Casino Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:12:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: instructors Hi all, Just wondering if anybody could tell me if there are any eskrima instructors who are teaching at or near Santa Cruz, especiall if they are affiliated to Inayan Eskrima. I know that their is Guro Silva, and Richard Van Donk, although he is not teaching eskrima anymore. I am a former student of Jason Inays and Seeing that I only have a couple of months left in Santa Cruz I would like to brush up on my Eskrima. thanks ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:51:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #74 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.