From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #79 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 24 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 079 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 eskrima: arnis student n stuff eskrima: my $.02 eskrima: Why study FMA? eskrima: Elbow training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 eskrima: New Knife fighting Web Site eskrima: Abu Dhabi eskrima: Western swordsmanship eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 eskrima: Ohio, center of the universe eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:45:15 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 >>Being that the Midwest (more specifically Ohio) in not exactly a hotbed of FMA<< >Oh, sir, I beg to differ...the Midwest has many fine FMA practitioners, most >notably >Nate Defensor, Fred Degerberg, Alan McLuckie, Rob McDonald, Ben Berry, Keith >Wetoskey, Mike Casto, and Manuel Taningco, (the last two mentioned in Ohio). >We're here, just not as publicized as other areas of the country. Not to mention Rick Faye, Greg Nelson, and a couple students of Paul de Thoaurs and Steve Plinck (OK, the last two are IMA, not FMA, but what the hey). ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:42:58 +0000 Subject: eskrima: arnis student n stuff Brian Johns wrote to Arnis Student: >Right now, it's more of an academic interest than >anything else. So if any of you intend to privately e-mail Arnis >Student regarding his question, I'd like to be copied. Arnis Student: ditto this also...please email me responses if possible...TIA Rafael wrote: >Thanks for the information regarding this. I believe Mr. Clements should be >commended for having the open mind to mingle with FMAs and also realise when >his info was in error. Now we won't have to keep addressing the inaccuracies >that the HACA essay produced. The only criticism I had about his essay was >that it was from the perspective that he had all the correct info- since it >was mostly a critique of another well known FMA's writings. Eurocentric >individuals tend to rely on his words more than from some individual whose >culture they are not too familiar or interest in. I hope that Mr. Clements has corrected some of his essays on the FMA's on his site...a couple of lines were, IMHO, offensive and drifted from the original intention of his essay (which was to refute the "rapier" influence on FMA's) to making disparaging remarks about Filipino history and culture. Made me wonder at the time if he was part of some hate group (neo-Nazi, etc.)... Grand Poo-Bah and Master of the List Ray Terry wrote: >Things sure are slow around here. Must I insult someone, again, to stir >things up at bit.?. :) Yer right, we sound like a bunch of of fogies sitting around a cracker barrel at the general store... So let me ask a theoretical question to the digesters: If you were the last practitioner/teacher of a family MA, would you a) seek a successor to carry on the tradition b) document your style and make these documents available to the general public c) take the style with you to the family plot d) other No correct answers here, just want to know your opinions...quick! tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:16:35 EST Subject: eskrima: my $.02 on the subject of isometrics.... Mik sort of beat me to the punch on this one.... but i just found some info here in my handy medical reference book... ;) "... during vigorous isometric exercises or when lifting a weight while holding one's breath, pressure in the abdominopelvic cavity can rise to 106 kg/cm2, roughly 100 times normal pressures.... can cause a variety of problems, including the development of a hernia." Also they imply in here that it is primarily (though not always) resulting in the inguinal area.... as tesitfied to in an earlier edition of the E-D. Also in a previous edition someone remarked on attending a Larry Hartsell Seminar.... I wonder how much FMA he utilizes in his seminars these days, or if he mainly sticks to the JKD/Grappling format... now that I think of it, anyone know if he incorporates any Dumog or the like into his grappling, or if he relies on mainly wrestling/judo etc. As far as the dumog, I do have some questions regarding it, specifically does it appear to have gone the way of pangamut, or is it still practiced/taught? Any information i've uncovered on it refers more to aspects or principles of it, not as a style or art. Could anyone clarify for me? My apologies in advance if this has been beaten to death in an earlier E-D. ;) Rick Spiritwkr3@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:33:08 EST Subject: eskrima: Why study FMA? I was a brown belt in Kenpo when I took a year off to study FMA. I was hooked from the first class but could not continue. Now I am trying to gather interest in our kenpo club to host my former FMA instructor, but whenever I mention it, I get looks that I interpret as "Why would I want to hit someone with a stick?". I don't demo FMA techniques since I am not certified to teach, but I have tried to explain how it amplifies the development of angulation, footwork and the practicality of learning to defend against stick and knife attacks. Doesn't seem to be sinking in. What do you instructors say to "sell" people on FMA (vs. Empty-hand arts) to newbies or people form other arts? Have you ever encountered students who were willing to learn stick techniques but hesitant to learn knife techs for ethical reasons? Thanks, Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Weymouth, Rob (Worley)" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:00:42 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Elbow training Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone would like to share their thoughts on the way they train elbows. I certainly believe they are excellent weapons that are well worth cultivating. I guess one can do this through number of methods, such as elbowing pads and the heavy bag and also "placing" them on a training partner for target awareness. However, using them in a sparring situation is bound to be hazardous as a gloved fist in the face won't tend to cut and tear in the way an elbow might. Is there some way to take elbow training to the higher level and maintain some safety margin for learning? How about padding the elbows and head? Is this one of the things that a hubud drill based on elbow strikes is meant to give. A sort of "conditional" sparring? Does this prompt a question regarding what level of danger in training/sparring/competing is acceptable or productive? heh. Its interesting that in having to think of ways to phrase a question to a forum like this one finds ones thought processes ordering themselves much more than just going through it in your head. One of the reasons I'd like to add my thanks to Ray for the existence of this list. Lets go forward together, Rob Weymouth ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:07:05 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 In a message dated 02/24/1999 03:31:24 AM, Kim wrote: >>>Being that the Midwest (more specifically Ohio) in not exactly a hotbed >of >FMA<< > >Oh, sir, I beg to differ...the Midwest has many fine FMA practitioners, >most notably Nate Defensor, Fred Degerberg, Alan McLuckie, Rob McDonald, Ben >Berry, Keith Wetoskey, Mike Casto, and Manuel Taningco, (the last two mentioned in >Ohio). We're here, just not as publicized as other areas of the country. What styles do the above folks practice ? While they are in the midwest, it ain't like California :-) Take care, Brian Johns Columbus Ohio billyja695@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:26:10 PST Subject: eskrima: New Knife fighting Web Site Hello everyone, I am a long time lurker, first time writer. I would like to let anyone interested in the art of knifefighting to take a look at the web site @ www.knifighting.com. I am sure as this site grows it will be a very good way to stay connected to blade related seminars around the world. Professor Tom Sotis is a fantastic instructor, who is able to blend theory, tactics and techniques seamlessly. Drop him a line, his address is at the site. Airyu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:07:31 EST Subject: eskrima: Abu Dhabi Is it true that Rigan will compete in the Abu Dhabi tournament with Jean Jaques Machado? I know this is not FMA, but the tourney looks great, with many Gracies, Samboists, and people like Kerr competing.. Many of us do grappling and follow the fight scene. Tom Furman....tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Western swordsmanship ((This is a note from John Clements that he asked me to foreward to the ED to clarify a few points that have risen here recently.)) >1. Concerning point work & thrusting in Western arts: At the Mardi >Gras camp, to a well-received reaction I actually displayed a great >variety of long-range slashing, drawing, and cutting actions in >coordination with linear attacks --not just linear thrusting. > >2. Modern sport fencers (foil, epee, sabres) have little in common >with the Renaissance swordsmanship practiced by HACA and myself, let >alone the Medieval methods. In comparison to the real historical >methods, sport weapons are virtually toys used with an exceedingly >limited and artificial set of techniques and rule-bound actions. They >do not train in, practice, or use a fraction of the close-in techniques >the actual historical methods teach us. > >3. As regards my HACA Essay on the military conditions and martial >situation between Spanish / Portuguese and Filipinos: After displaying a >small sampling of historical Medieval & Renaissance swordsmanship and >weapon techniques at the Mardi Gras camp, and after making considerable >effort to dispel some of the tremendous myths and misconception about >Western methods (generated by popular media and fantasy and then >accepted without question by the martial arts community), I felt that >rather than having had some "revision of my opinion" as seems to have >been erroneously suggested by someone who did not attend, I actually >believe the very opposite occurred. It was finally possible for FMA >stylists to have a greater grasp of many of the very points the essay >was making and comprehend the information it provided with far greater >depth, and as a result acquire greater respect for the martial culture >of each --the very goal I set out to achieve. > >4. For the record: the sole "Western student" who stayed to attend >on Monday has no connection or relationship to myself or HACA, is in no >way affiliated with us outside of his own private pursuits, and actually >has more Asian training than any thing legitimately "Western". >Anything he said or did for good or ill has no reflection on us or our >knowledge whatsoever. > >Best regards all, >Cordially, > >John Clements, >Houston ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:39:01 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #78 In a message dated 2/23/99 6:17:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << >>Being that the Midwest (more specifically Ohio) in not exactly a hotbed of FMA<< >> In Wisconsin there is Pete Hetric, Chicago you have Fred Degerberg, Larry Lindenmann, Mike Knauff, Bill Economos, Eugene Amante, Tom Doherty, Steve Robinson, Denis Duria, Bob Eggebrecht and in Liberty Ville IL there is Marc Halleck and Errol Deppe. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Ohio, center of the universe > << >>Being that the Midwest (more specifically Ohio) in not exactly a hotbed > of FMA<< >> > In Wisconsin there is Pete Hetric, Chicago you have Fred Degerberg, Larry > Lindenmann, Mike Knauff, Bill Economos, Eugene Amante, Tom Doherty, Steve > Robinson, Denis Duria, Bob Eggebrecht and in Liberty Ville IL there is Marc > Halleck and Errol Deppe. I think his point is still valid. Not too many FMAers in central Ohio. Illinois and Wisconsin aren't too near to Ohio. I used to drive from central Illinois to southern Ohio a couple times a year and it took about 8 hours. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #79 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.