From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #83 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 25 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 083 In this issue: eskrima: WEKAF eskrima: Suro Inay in Florida this weekend eskrima: Old Fogies... Street fighting eskrima: Representing Arnis Balite eskrima: Diet eskrima: DBMA Seminar in UK? eskrima: Re: what? eskrima: Re:re:tag eskrima: Zone and Atkins Re: eskrima: Re:re:tag eskrima: books by Clements eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #79 eskrima: Abu Dhabi eskrima: RE: Diets eskrima: Re:books/Clements eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve and Roberta" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:24:36 -0500 Subject: eskrima: WEKAF I heard rumor of an upcoming WEKAF event this summer in the midwest, then nothing more. Anybody else hear anything about it? Thanx, Steve ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:55:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Suro Inay in Florida this weekend FYI... Suro Mike Inay will be holding a Kadena de Mano level 1 instructor certification seminar in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida this weekend. Sorry for the late notice. That is all the info I have. For more information please contact Suro Inay at eskrimador@aol.com or leave a short voicemail on 408-304-0806. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J. Hutchinson" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:53:05 PST Subject: eskrima: Old Fogies... Street fighting leighans- * Sorry, if the following post is a little messy- I'm nearing the end of a dbl. shift. Yawn!!!! I agree about one not fully understanding the principles of combat, unless he/she has actually been in a combat situation... The last fight I was in was during my pre-Eskrima days( about 3 years ago). At that period in time, I was mainly focused on Taiji, Muay Thai, and Taekwondo. A crazy, cranked-out 18 or 20 year old kid swore that I was staring at him, which made him feel nervous. I stated that I didn't know what he was talking about and ignored him. Well, he kept ranting and raving, so I told him to mellow out.. and to quit acting so psychotic. He flipped out, got in my face, and started pushing me into a wall. I tried to get him to calm down, but it didn't work. He pulled a knife and put it up to my throat. Panic time. I decided to try to call his bluff and started ranting and raving like a lunatic, too! I felt those butterflies in my stomach, and lower back. I told him to go ahead and cut me.. He liked that, so he pressed the knife into my neck even harder and slammed me up against the wall. Just when he was rebounded from his last body slam, I punched his knife arm with the ridge of my forearm, and trapped his arm back then tossed him a couple feet back. He then charged at me, and I side stepped and threw him around the corner of the wall. He got up and ran away. Well, you're probably wondering what does this have to do with Eskrima, right? Well, I've learned to get the hell out of dodge next time that happens... God forbid, I have to face off with someone of the Suro Inay, or Johnny Lacoste caliber! That's all for now. ~Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Kyud" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:03:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Representing Arnis Balite Greetings to All The Aguillon family of San Maguel, San Antonio, Zambales, Philippines, has designated me at this time to represent their fathers teachings and Philosophies in the future. A little about the art and Pundador Manuel M. Aguillon can be found at the following site: http://olympia.fortunecity.com/atlanta/443/ArnisBalite.html ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:34:20 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Diet OK, gonna stay off the soapbox ... but specifically re: high protein: Whatever those people mean by it "works" for them, there is no getting away from the fact that carbohydrate is what makes our engines rev. When people began to eat meat in larger quantities they began to throw some things out of balance. The increase in consumed uric acid wreaks havoc with calcium balance and can result in displacement of calcium from the bones. This process, gout, is usually first noticed in the feet. Gout.is destructive and painful. We don't need a seminar to realize that something whch screws up normal physiology and structure this way is something that we shouldn't do. Carmivores are evolved to process flesh as the mainstay of their nutrition. We're not. Even if the protein is taken from plant sources, excess protein is excess protein and can yield the same results, gout. Some people may get away with it in a short term dietary "fix" to lose weight, the amino acids that make up the protein can be converted to glucose (another form of gluconeogenesis previously mentioned) and physiology moves on as usual ... but behind the scenes other things go on when the protein is broken down and if the protein source is animal flesh, the uric acid from the flesh will "compete" with calcium and screw things up a bit. I'd need to "do a little research" to say anything more about excess protein from vegetable sources ... but our basic pattern does appear to suggest that carbohydrate is the main thing that we need. One of the gurus that I met from Rishikesh once asked "What is the one food that we need to have if we can't have anything else?" My answer "Bread." His refinement "Grains." :-) Human civilization is grain-based, the main component of which is carbo. There is no "working" animal (as opposed to "hunting" animal) that does not base its existence on carbo-providing foods. My response is too simplistic, but I don't want to even begin delving into the low level physiology of this topic. We as athletes may feel stronger as a result of high protein intake, but when it comes to getting things done in the long/intense haul and living well it is best to balance that intake with a lean towards keeping it moderate. Gout is destructive and painful. Gout comes from high meat/protein intake (the "rich man's disease" of those who could afford beef in a previous era). Since the popularity of the high protein diet has grown, so too have the number of cases of gout. It ain't new, the mechanism of gout has been know for years. I find it hard to believe that physicians will go on national TV to promote this diet ... well, not really ... $$$$$$$$$ Read up on gout. Check out the Nutrition Almanac. Fad diets are fad diets. A good diet is a lifelong nutritional practice, just part of a way of living. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:35:31 -0800 Subject: eskrima: DBMA Seminar in UK? A Howl of Greeting to All: List member Richard Killick is looking into hosting me in England/UK perhaps in the north, for a seminar the last weekend of May. The idea is to coordinate with the intended date of my seminar in Spain the next weekend. It would help him if he could have a sense of how many people are interested and could help round up warm, paying bodies. If interested, contact him at: Richard@kingsc.globalnet.co.uk Woof, Crafty Dog And, apropos of absolutely nothing: Q: What's the last thing that goes through a fly's mind when he hits the windshield? A: His ass. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:28:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: what? << Respecting all life and the universe which allows it ... >> A contradictory statement based on the post that proceded it. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:55:37 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:re:tag from:leighans@aol.com well just a few clarifiers.....#1...last time i checked, i was/am still female.......#2....i was not knocking the korean arts...merely citing the example that previous postings left with regards to the # of tkd deaths.........as far as knowing whether your technique works or not.........if you havent been able to verify(that means see for yourself, firsthand) that something works or not, you are basing your explaination on faith(that is the thingy you need for religion if you remember).....i am not knocking that either.....faith may move mountains, but putting my defense against an aggressor is not my idea of a test of faith.......i will only use that which i have found to be effective.....otherwise why try it now?........real life is not a rehearsal nor a practice session......if you use something and it works, you will use it easier and more naturally than something you have seen work for someone else......all techniques do not work the same for all people.....that is where the adapt concept comes in....if a technique doesnt work for you the way it should, find out why and then make the changes.......i may be wrong on this point, but isnt this supposed to be part of the growth in the art?.......if you are feeling particularly philosophical, remember 'i deny everything, i question all'.....if you hold your art beyond question, then you have missed a very important point in your training.....questioning is what brings about innovation, growth and even improvement...try it sometime, it works wonders.........ciao.........leighan ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:18:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Zone and Atkins Don't associate a Zone Diet with Atkins. Zone means balance. Just enough of everything to get optimum blood chemistry( I am proof of this) without excess carbs, fat, or protein. Atkins with work, it is ketogenic(much more info online thru Lyle McDonald), and has some disadvantages. The so called vegen or low fat, hi grain diet is NOT the hunter/ gatherer diet that allows optimum health. Every martial art includes a component of health, fitness, herbology(herbs are weak drugs), and diet. Do some searches on the Zone, or read Barry Sears books. For Ketogenic diets, try Body Opus by Dan Duchaine, or the brand new Ketogenic Bible by Lyle McDonald. Although I gave myself as an example of having good success with a Zone type diet, please dont take that seriously. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Doctors, unfortunately even use it in the context of ..."my clinical experience". Try population studies that lead to animal studies, that lead to double blind human trials,....multiple times. Then you get the drift of what works as far as diet, vitamins, etc. If you believe in anecdote, you will believe in Bigfoot, UFO's, Astrology, and Santa. You know, lots of Christmas cards, movies and stories, ...lotsa evidence, but poor evidence. Therefore no Santa. Oh well,...(You can tell I live a few miles from de-bunker par excellance, The Amazing Randi).......Tom Furman,.....aka...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re:re:tag > well just a few clarifiers.....#1...last time i checked, i was/am still > female....... Don't ya just hate it when that happens??? :) Sorry... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:36:01 -0800 Subject: eskrima: books by Clements Taking advantage of the opportunity, I picked up Clement's books at the Mardi Gras camp. They are: Medieval Swordsmanship Renaissance Swordsmanship Both are available through Paladdin Press. Now if he had been as willing to pick up a copy of the anthology in which my FMA essay was published last year (I had several with me) he'd have seen that not all FMA'ers subscribe to Wiley's viewpoints. More on this later, after I've more fully thought this through (just read the HACA essay today) .... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:34:35 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #79 In answer to a request from a past post of mine about the styles of FMA practiced here in the Midwest,,,, Here in Fort Wayne, IN, Serrada Eskrima is the most prevalent...my good friend Keith Wetoskey in Waterloo, IN, is a Lameco Eskrima and Inosanto blend player, while Inosanto blend and Balintawak Eskrima is also practiced by several people in Ohio. The more I get online, the more people I discover practicing FMA's in the Midwest...Inayan Eskrima in Tennessee and Wisconsin, Pikiti- Tirsia in Michigan, and lots of Silat I'm finding out. We're here, folks just need to ask.... Kim ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:35:05 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Abu Dhabi A Howl etc: Someone asked about Rigan and Jean Jacques competing in the big grappling tournament in Abu Dhabi and someone else kindly posted a site listing all the competitors-- which showed a particularly strong field. The tournament is no-gi, no striking. It is my understanding that the rules give more weight to throws than sport JJ and that substantial sums of money go to the winners. I just got an initial report via phone: Rigan won his match on points and Jean Jacques won his first match in 44 seconds and his second in 90 seconds. If I have it correctly, the finals are tomorrow. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:53:26 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Diets > -----Original Message----- > From: lee yow ching > in ED v6 #76 Medicine Man Mik wrote: > > >On the bright side of it, perhaps delving > into some specs can help some realize that the mumbo-jumbo that gets > tossed around in a gym from the latest magazine story may not be the > line to listen to. Sorta like the high protein diet fad that som eMDs > >have been pushing ... lo and behold dey give de'people de'gout :-) > > By 'high protein diet fad' I assume that you meant the Atkins > and Zone type > diets, the characteristics of which are high protein, medium > fat and low > carb. Just to clarify, the Zone diet is not low carb, but carb moderate. To keep it really basic, it's balanced proteins, carbs and fat. Same with protein, it's designed to meet the protein needs to maintain lean body mass. The Atkins diet, as I understand it, was originally very low carb, but according to some people I know on it now, it less restrictive on carbs these days. A long time ago I tried the Aktins, and found it unsatisfactory. I felt awful, even as much of a meat eater as I am. I've been doing the Zone for a little over a year and have found it very satisfactory. I feel great and I've been losing weight as consistently as I've kept with the diet and exercise. I attribute this in a great degree to the Zone's idea of moderation and selections of healthier foods. If anyone interested would like to continue this discussion offline, I'm more than happy to. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:36:03 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:books/Clements In a message dated 2/25/99 4:23:35 PM, you wrote: <>AJ Yes, Check out the HACA site and you can probably get them (Medieval/Renaissance Swordsmanship) from the site itself. I would recommend them to anyone who is interested in the blade arts. Although the one portion I would edit is his timeline/tree of historical/cultural influences. The Filipino section is all wrong and I believe I addressed that in the past (No mention of Muslim,Chinese, Indonesian and others influence) .I especially enjoyed his use of clean graphics and drawing of the techniques. Good Luck. http://www.thehaca.com To Pete Kautz, it seems that we in the FMAs are very easy to get along with and are open minded to those who misunderstand us. We're used to it by the very nature of our fighting art. Hence the open dialogue with those of the HACA - although I disagree with Mr. Clements on some points (even regarding his Western sports fencing analogy- calling them virtual toys) I do believe he has something to offer the blade world. I guess what puzzles alot of us is that from someone who speaks his opinions so outright, Mr. Clements would get more mileage if he researched the other cultures before commenting on them with such authority. This cross training with FMAs is a step forward although I hear it more from others than from Clements himself . When I read something from Clements himself about how the exchange with the FMAs has had a positive effect on him on the HACA site then he will be doing alot to bury the previous FMA essay. Best, - --Rafael-- Tuazon@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #83 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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