From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #85 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 26 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 085 In this issue: eskrima: Plyometrics and NYC Silat eskrima: Des Moines FMA... eskrima: In defense of JC's work eskrima: Re: cracked ribs eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #84 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #80 eskrima: Diet eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #84 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:12:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Plyometrics and NYC Silat Does anyone have any suggestions on incorporating plyometric training into martial arts workouts? Which exercises, scheduling, etc. Also, Anyone know of a good Silat instructor in NYC? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:23:00 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Des Moines FMA... Hi! Matt Wrote: ==================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:32:02 EST Subject: eskrima: Midwestern FMA From: Matt I've noticed the recent string of encouragement over the number of filipino martial arts instructors in the midwest... I am in Iowa--THE heartland of the midwest--and am bitterly alone when it comes to certified FMA instructors within a six hour drive (St. Louis, Minneapolis, Chicago). Know of any I might consider in the Des Moines or Cedar Rapids area? Thanks, Matt ==================================================== I live in the Des Moines area and have been studying Modern Arnis (Remy Presas' style) for about a year now, from a private instructor. If you want to e-mail me privately I can provide the particulars. Thanx! Jeff Harris Jeffery_Harris@rsmi.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:16:03 -0800 Subject: eskrima: In defense of JC's work >>I believe the problems most Filipinos and >>others had about Clements' essay is his quick acceptance to use one book According to Clements, he used several sources, though on rereading he could see how it sounded like one book being referenced. >>and knowing how easily people can be mis-understood in writing > >Perhaps he should write more carefully...this also affects his >effectiveness as a teacher... As one who has written frequently here, and suffered foot-in-mouth disease at least occasionally, I can attest to the difficulty of writing so that EVERYBODY gets the meaning in EXACTLY the same way it was intended. Sometimes one's clarity is not so eloquently pure, and some may take the meaning differently. Heck, sometimes someone even gets it! >>When he and other people on the HACA Forum have made "goofs" on the >>technical aspects of FMA > >Then they should have done a little more research before putting their >opinions in "print"... Unlike us FMA'ers who are entitled to our mistakes? How much harder might it be for an outsider to get it right? >>His writing often comes across as realy opinionated, but hey - that's why >>we read books - to get peoples opinions! > >Can only speak for myself on this one, but I usually read to become >INFORMED...if I wanted someone else's opinion, I'd give it to them. No, he writes like a lot of academics, who make their reputations by disputing others. And EVERY good writer has a point of view. It jsut seems they don't if we agree with them ... >> I think that under it all is a >>lot of scholarship and years of work. > >Then it is up to him to make the effort to present the material in an >objective and academic manner...not soaked in Clements' personal >opinions. If he cannot do this, perhaps he should write in >collaboration with a more experienced writer. He is doing his art a >terrible disservice if, instead of spreading the word of how great >Western swordfighting is, he alienates a (potentially) significant part >of his audience. While there is some merit to this statement (about not alientating a significant part of his audience) I think Clements otherwise writes very well. I think as his positions become more understood, he'll feel less need to defend them and simply move forward in presenting his research. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Jeff T. Inman" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:24:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: eskrima: Re: cracked ribs Patrick Davies wrote: > It seems I have either severely bruised or cracked one of the floating ribs > on the left side. > Anybody any advice on how to encourage healing. Any advice in general. Ah, yes. I remember when I had my first broken rib. Hurts, don't it? Here's how to take care of it: don't sneeze, don't cough, and don't sleep on that side. Just kidding. You might want to get some massage on your back when all the muscles there start siezing up, in about a week or so. Other than that, I don't think there's much you can do about it. It's a good test of your girlfirend, to see how she reacts when you say "ow! ow! ow!" when she's trying to hug you. Regards, Jeff Inman jti@ncgr.org ------------------------------ From: Daniel Mcconnell Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:15:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #84 Modern Arnis of Ohio will host GrandMaster Remy Presas on April 17,1999 from 11:00-3:00 p.m. in Hilliard, Ohio, a suburb of Columbus. The cost will be 50. pre-paid and 60. at the door. If interested just e-mail dmmhsmc@ohaflcio.org and I will be happy to send a flyer with more info. and a map. Thanx. Daniel McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:31:05 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #80 >>What kind of symptoms might one have with a hernia?<< Well, Dave, I've had 4 hernia surgeries, (Yes, OUCH!!!), and the symptoms are pretty obvious...I first noticed a lump in my lower abdominal area, very close to the groin (a hernia in this area is called an inguinal hernia). I didn't have any real pain at first, but close to surgery time, the hernia strangulated, (the abdominal muscles closed around the section of intestine protuding through the abdominal wall), and let me tell you, that is a pain only a man can appreciate, if you get my drift (the nerves to the testicles were pinched as well). My advice to you is, if you even suspect that you may have a hernia, get your behind to a doctor, pronto. A hernia is a nuisance at first, but can become dangerous, even deadly, if not treated. Good luck, buddy, and don't delay getting a professional opinion. Kim ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:48:32 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Diet > Man has > survived without carbohydrates for a long time on this planet. grains had > to be harvested and stored, fruits were seasonal as were some of those > starchy vegies. To each his own I say let everyone find their way. > PS I love meat > Man cannot survive without carbohydrates ... the final common pathway of everything that we use for fuel is carbohydrate ... some assembly of Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen. Carbohydrate includes sugars, starches and cellulose. The cellulose we ain't too good with since we gave up that second stomach (vestigial = appendix), but the others are the stuff of "go" simply put. The amino acids of protein-rich foods can be converted to carbohydrate but if/when this becomes the primary source of fuel the physiology becomes problematic (e.g., gout and other structural/functional "fallout"). Pre-agrarian humans (e.g., hunter-gatherers) living beyond the tropical and subtropical climes may have been more dependant on seasonal foods (so they migrated), but not so the creatures with whom we all share roots (who did not have to migrate). Human ancestors learned to survive on whatever they could find as they moved out of the forest, but this does not mean that they had the best of health ... in fact the opposite has usually been found to be the case (short-lived, all kinds of diseases and physio-mess ups due to improper nutrition). Hunter-gatherer phases were always characterized by more gathering than hunting and -every- society on the planet has based its survival on combinations of grains and legumes. Yes, the cultivation of grains allowed humans to stop huntin'n'gatherin' all over the place ... but stepping back, prior to humanoid hunter-gatherer was perhaps humanoid opportunist taking advantage of what was readily available: fruits, roots, nuts, etc. of the tropical, subtropical and temperate climes (possibly with seasonal migrations). Sorry if you felt offended by my accurate comments ... meat eating was not the issue. Excess protein was the issue. The eating of animal flesh just happens to be one way that humans find their way into the consumption of excess protein. I call it the lazy way of getting what we need (not the smart way). Dad used to tell me "Man is an omnivore." That's more a statement of capacity rather than a statement of fact. Like it or not, the consumption of animal flesh is not a VGT for human beings, particularly when it becomes a mainstay in the daily diet. It is one of the highest-correlating factors in the development of some cancers, cardiovascular disease and stroke. Leaning on behaviorism for a moment, its' very easy for someone to learn to like many things that may not be part of a "more-informed" way of doing things, e.g., many people learned to like hating a particular group of other people just because of someone else's propaganda. OK, it's a stretch, but I like to bend minds in order to help them "see." Moral is: Just because we like something does not make it the appropriate thing to do. I like plum wine but I will very rarely touch it because it doesn't fit with what I understand about normal physiology. A junkie can like everything that he/she does in the ritual that leads up to pushing the plunger but might not like the physiological signs of overdose (flatline). Like what you want bro' ... of course ... but don't sell yourself short by ignoring the facts. I would never suggeest that anything that I might have to share is appropriate for all listeners even if it is objectively proven to be correct. Humans wiil do all kinds of things that they shouldn't both to their own and everyone else's potential detriment. Some "more-informed" humans in the World Health Organization have seen through the carbo/protein/fats problem and now agree that the entire world needs to shift towards consumption of whole grains and legumes and shun the eating of meat (duh, back to da roots mon). It's in the works to promote this as a high-level policy on a global level "real soon now." Consider the amount of real food that it takes to raise one animal to slaughter ... and just for slaughter for human consumption, then go back and consider how many human beings could be saved from starvation using that same food to feed them instead of the to-be-slaughtered animal ... and compare it with how many people will be fed by the "meat products" resulting from the animal's murder, uh, I mean slaughter. From the vantage point of "the benefit of humanity" there should be no question as to what is the most appropriate path (for many reasons). Our species may soon face a global crisis ... food to feed the burgeoning population. Dere an't gon'be enawf to go 'roun' mon ami ... then like one current population, people will be deciding on - -who- gets to -directly- feed family and/or friends and/or the casual opportunist(s) so that others may live, capiche? This is mainly due to habit, learned habit, funky habit if/when you consider that they might pick Jo Mama (or Jo Papa or Jo Bro or Jo Sis or ...) or some other personally very meaningful individual. Itsa learned habit ... it's a learned "liking." I don't usually get onto this topic because it's almost a waste of time to try to reason with people about habitual, nonthinking behaviors ... just like trying to talk a junkie out of shooting up ... good luck! Reminds me of how one day I watched two guys sparring ... standing there with their hands down ... I asked "Why do you keep dropping your hands, man? Are you tired?" Response: "Naw, I'm just trying to bait him in..." Whap!!! Tournament fiends. NEways to each his own ... of course ... congratulations on your successful weight loss. The people who devise some of these diets know how much a book can make for them, so too the MDs who manage weight loss programs, etc. All said and done, it is still far better to look at weight "normalization" as simply one component of a long term lifestyle plan that involves no special manipulations of dietary intake that are out of the ordinary (except perhaps towards more natural/healthy food consumption if needed) ... but watch out for those burgers friend. BTW, what's the current legal limit on the percentage of fecal content allowed in ground beef and other fast food products? What-kind-of-burger izzat? Putting on my behavioral scientist hat, my professional opinion is that dietary practices are learned, period. Being learned they can be easily extinguished and successfully revamped. The World Health Organization supports this view and it's exactly what they plan to do for the individual and collective benefit of humankind. Personally, I like the idea of our grandchildren growing up in a world where we wouldn't have to be concerned about someone trying to take them for food. Remembering the words of Master Lin, Deng-Fang: "If you don't know how to use da spear, you'll be dinner!" Think it through. Yo, Sampogna ... my wife just brought me a burger, whoa!!! (Soy+Grains, that is ;-) A plus for all you soy feeders out there, decreased mortality from prostate (or breast or ovarian) cancers. Awrite!!! OTOH ... naw, I ain't gonna say no more :-) "To each his own and know thyself another sayin' goes... Different strokes for different strokes is the one you'll probably know." -from "A Groovy World" by the Unifics, a D.C. area vocal group, circa 1970 So, where's the beans? Yes, I'll have that with green tea, thanks. Be well dude, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:54:50 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #84 from: leighans@aol.com i have no problem with 'sport' versions of martial arts....my problem lies in the promotion of a game as a legitimate form of self defense........no matter which tournament one goes to, there will be rules to abide by......which means you cant use certain techniques in a situation where one would want to use them in order to end the fight as quickly as possible........presenting a sport as a form of self defense is akin to presenting, say, tennis as a protective means.....this isnt to say that a tennis racket or even a tennis ball cant be used to defend oneself....only that the techniques that are emphasized are not well suited to the purpose.......but it seems that in our 'civilized' society games are all that we believe are necessary to make things right with the world....of course we also hold the mistaken belief that aggressors(or whatever you want to term them) follow a set of rules or common courtesy......when has a perp ever looked at a victim and said to itself ' this person looks like a pretty even match'?.....they are looking for someone who poses as little threat as possible to them..........they appear to be applying a theory of oneupmanship......as far as learning the tricks and techs of death, destruction and mayhem, if the idea bothers you, why are you bothering with the endeavor?....with knowledge comes responsibility......kinda like that freedom concept.....freedom isnt free....it all has a price, if you are only willing to pay it....... ciao ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:34:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #85 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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