From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 1 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 088 In this issue: eskrima: Sleeping Duck eskrima: stick twirling eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #87 eskrima: Brinkley Quote eskrima: Louis Lindo Seminar eskrima: DAN INOSANTO SEMINAR IN NY!!!! eskrima: Re:essay eskrima: Re: NYC Silat eskrima: Pinoy boxers eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #87 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kalki Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:26:10 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Sleeping Duck > << > he then > went on to perform "animal control" by putting a duck to sleep, first > saying "I nevuh hurt da duck." After he did his thing the duck stopped > wrestling around in his hands and laid motionless on the floor after he > put it down and walked away ... jumped up squawking after about a minute > (talk about knockouts). >> > > Thats an old stage hypnosis trick and in no way related to martial arts > knowledge. I'm curious, was he representing that as some kind proof of his > prowess? > Wasn't presenting it as something related to martial arts knowledge ... just part of the story included for the sake of something more than "He broke da slabs." He included it to show that he could do more than kill, contrasting his gentleness with the duck with his swish through the hard stuff. A VERY good teacher, very decent person too IMHO ... I regret that I didn't get to train with him. BTW, he held the 3 slabs upright in his other hand, no holders, no spacers. They were made of gray, cinder block-looking material. On the diet thread ... sorry if my attempts at punchy-humor-ridden logic came across as arrogant ... perhaps it's my Yankee roots and 13 years of wrestling with know-it-all intellectuals in academia (no offense to anyone who considers themself an "intellectual" OK?) ... my wife calls it my "brutal honesty." I try to pursue sound/inescapable logic ... sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail ... human, eh? Perhaps I should be satisfied to simply encourage the view of the scientist/gnostic who wants to know, not just rest in belief. That means going to "zero-point" before testing and concluding. Sometimes we conclude and close the books on reality too soon. That's at the heart of what I was saying. Closing, it is our great fortune that the organism is robust enough to do well through a broad range of combinations of "raw materials" in fulfilling its nutritional requirements. We have to beware that a "scientist" can find ways to support whatever he/she believes and wants us to believe. Common sense can often be one hell of a saviour, i.e., people, whether they be scientists/researchers or not, can be totally oblivious and/or resistant to the -obvious- ... especially if it is contrary to what they believe. Remember Hitler, Goebbels, etc.: "If you tell a lie often enough it will be tolerated. Continue to tell it and it will be accepted. Keep telling it and it will be believed." Also, something to the effect that: "The more unbelievable something is, the more preposterous you can make it, the more easy it is to get the people to believe it." On that they built their platforms, moved the masses ... and then came WWII ... there are still people who believe what those guys said. "If you tell a lie often enough..." Here's a funny one forya: During a discussion of exercise and hypertension a member of the "intelligentsia" in a research center that I once worked in told me emphatically that "the human body was not designed to run." :-) Finally, sorry again for any seeming arrogance ... if I came across that way it bothers me. The training statements, BTW, were all quite true (though incomplete :-) Just for clarity's sake, the 14 mile bike/run Sundays were in Mpls (early 30's). The 40 mile biking Sundays were in Miami (latter 30's) ... with a pause at 20 miles on Key Biscayne just to check out the view ... a beautiful place. Too many flippin' mountains for me here in B'ham ... my recumbent is collecting dust under the stairs!!! Re: the WHO, regardless of the use of the reference, the science is valid ... I could have just as well referred to the American Society for Medical Prevention or other agencies or individuals involved in nutritional research right here in the States. I selected the WHO to emphasize the scale at which the things that I was saying have been recognized/embraced. Was neither interested in nor blinded by whatever their politics may be ... just included the comments because what they have acknowledged is valid and generalizes to all humankind. As far as I'm concerned they're latecomers on this issue, but related activity at their level can only benefit the future of our species. Just this morning I listened to Brinkley repeating a line that I've heard on many Sundays: "Hunger, raw hunger, may become the global security issue of the future." Think it through. No more diet stuff from me. I should take a vacation :-) Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:42:52 EST Subject: eskrima: stick twirling << I'm having some trouble twirling my stick. When I do the #3 and #4 cut through strikes(Modern Arnis system), I have a hard time twirling the stick at the end of the cut through. How long does it take for the wrist to be able to execute this motion? Does anyone have any suggestions on exercises that can "loosen up" my wrists? Thanks in advance, Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com Modern Arnis Student >> Hi! I would give two advises: 1. Use heavy and long sticks! Important is that you have to relax or loose your muscles (not the grip :-) ). Strength and stiff muscle could cause injuring! Then you try to practise the strikes calm and FLUIDLY. The weight of the stick will help you learning the movements faster because you are relaxed. Let the stick do the movements, the power comes from the body and the controll from the hand/arm. Do the movements more like pulling/cutting instead of hitting. 2. Start with big - very big movements. The shoulder and arm should do the striking circles first. If those are well trained go to smaller cirlces and smaller muslces - but keep the big muscles invovled. Be relaxed and feel how it feels good for you. Another point: I would suggest not to force the movements. Some are more, some are less flexible. So, I try to do the strike more with body-turning than totally out of the hand (Getting more power, too!!!) I hope I could help a little with my bit of knowledge. Bernd Giller, Germany - Pekiti Tirsia Student ptbernd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Brian T. Henderson" Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:18:38 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #87 Mik wrote in a rather lengthy article: So look at what happened to the neighbor-consuming Neanderthals...) Hey, did you know that Asians are supposedly the last subgroup of humankind that included meat eating in their diet? The base skin color is from high consumption of plant foods (carotenes). Me: While I respect your opinion Mik, I feel that this one sided view should be balanced with an opposing view. To Wit: Genesis Chap 2: verse 7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. What is it within soil that gives it the variant colors we find scattered around this earth. I think you will agree, after doing a brief study, it is melanin. The same is true of human skin. The epidermis contains three types of cells-- melanocytes, keratocytes, and langerhans cells. Melanocytes, which produce melanin, are located in the stratum germinativum. Melanin is responsible for the diversity in human skin color, and it is also responsible for the Color of soil. This most easily observed property, can be used to identify chemical characteristics of soil that are otherwise difficult to determine. The most common colors are combinations of red, yellow, black, brown, and gray; each color indicates different soil characteristics. Hence the Book of Genesis offers further guidance in the orgins of species, specifically man. Variant colors of skin can be explained as folows: HAM (Heb. ham, perhaps hot). 1. The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood, and one of the eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races--not the Blacks, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, and Canaanites SHEM (Heb. shem, Gr. Sem, name, fame). The second son of Noah and progenitor of the Semitic race (Gen 11:10). JAPHETH (Heb. yepheth, God will enlarge, Gen 9:27). A son of Noah who was older than Shem (Gen 10:21), He is the progenitor of the more remote northern peoples of SE Europe. What does this discussion have to do with FMA, very little I am afraid. My apologies to all! :) May God richly bless you all, Sifu Brian T. Henderson Head Instructor Christian Martial Arts Ministry ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:30:22 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Brinkley Quote Apologies and corrections ... the actual quote was "Hunger, pure hunger, could become the global security issue of the future." Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "G. Michael Zimmer" Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:57:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Louis Lindo Seminar This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0261A7E644B17E3432758E1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone able to get to the Comox Valley on Vancouver Island in British Columbia, I would recommend the following seminar April 17, 1999, by my friend Louie Lindo. Louie has studied with Dan Inosanto, Herman Suwanda, Bobby Taboada, and others. He is a superb technician and very knowledgable martial artist. He has been a martial artist for over 25 years. Louie always put on a good seminar, and is a pleasure to work with. See: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TAOMA_IPMAF_EUrsulom/lindoseminar.htm Regards, G. Michael Zimmer Vorticity Martial Arts http://www.islandnet.com/~gmzimmer/vorticit.htm/ - --------------0261A7E644B17E3432758E1C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Zimmer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Michael Zimmer n:Zimmer;Michael email;internet:gmzimmer@islandnet.com x-mozilla-cpt:;0 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - --------------0261A7E644B17E3432758E1C-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:14:04 EST Subject: eskrima: DAN INOSANTO SEMINAR IN NY!!!! Progressive Martial Arts Academy will be hosting Guro Dan Inosanto on March 13th & 14th in Bayside, Queens New York. For details and to download an application check out: http://www.progressivemartialarts.com/seminars.htm Nick ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:57:58 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re:essay Rafael, Jeff, et. all - After hearing all the discussion on his essay, John Clements has told me that he is updating the FMA/Spanish essay so that his point will be both hopefuly clearer and the wording of it will be less offensive to FMA people. If people still get torked, well, at least he tried. I'm definately a biased source, but I give him big points for being so willing to do that. As for the comment by (???? - no name or e-mail address) about what fight choreographers and sport fencers think of John's work - do you consider these as valid sources for FIGHTING techniques? Would you consider a fight choreographer or sport stickfighter's opinion valid if they told Crafty Dog "Don't fight that way - it is boring and wrong? All that rolling on the ground is unsightly, and those power shots and fang chokes are just NOT how one goes about scoring proper "points" These peoples skills and expertise are simply outside the realm of the martial arts, and their opinions on martial matters are of limited value. Now - on the topic of the FMA.... Found a video at the Cornell library of fights by Pinoy boxers from the 20's-40's. Mostly silent B+W footage, grainey, but WOW could these guys move and hit! Will get the address and the details of what is on the tape up later today. Pete Kautz Arnis-Kali Ithaca ------------------------------ From: Talio Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:01:26 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: NYC Silat > - > > From: "Todd D. Ellner" > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:39:30 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Re: Plyometrics and NYC Silat > > >Also, > >Anyone know of a good Silat instructor in NYC? > > I just talked to a Silat player who works for the Indonesian consulate > in Vancouver, Canada. He knows a legitimate teacher in Queens called > Taryana Sastranegara. Don't know any more than that, but it should be > enough to track him down. > > Todd > Yana is a teacher in Silat Perisai Diri and is a good friend. If someone is interested in finding him. Send me your phone number and/or address and I will pass it on to Yana. He studied directly under the founder of Silat Perisai Diri R.M.S. Dirdjoatmodjo and has a tremendous amount of knowledge. Salam. - -- Hormat, Roberto Torres Talio Self Defense Academy Pencak Silat Perisai Setia (Harimau Sikap Baru) "Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another." Proverbs 27:17 ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:17:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pinoy boxers Here's the deatails on the tape I saw of Pinoy boxers - "World Champions of the great Pinoy boxing era" Pancho Villa (Francisco Guilledo) X Johnny Buff 1922 X Jimmy Wilde 1923 Small Montana (Benjamin Gan) X Benny Lynch 1937 Ceferino Garcia X Barney Ross 1937 X Henry Armstrong 1938 X Henry Armstrong 1940 Ordering info on the tape casse was: Corky Pasquil 11919 Mayfield Ave. Brentwod, CA 90049 (310) 826-0633 Though this was old, grainey footage, the skill of these boxers shines through. The footwork and hand techniques are very different from the westerners they are boxing! Pete Kautz Arnis-Kali Ithaca ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:03:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #87 All this talk of food is making me hungry- save me that lichon skin!!! - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.