From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #90 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 2 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 090 In this issue: eskrima: Spanish influence / espada y daga eskrima: Paul Vunak Info. eskrima: RE:Parkinson's again eskrima: Sure, blame the sticks! eskrima: PETA eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 eskrima: re: Plyometrics eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 eskrima: Have You Seen-a-Wally? Re: eskrima: PETA Re: eskrima: Have You Seen-a-Wally? eskrima: . eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:47:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Spanish influence / espada y daga After reading John Clements' book and corresponding with him, I can see that there is a lot of ignorance between the world of Western sword work and Asian arts. I certainly appreciate the perspective he's shared on Western sword fighting, and it has helped me get a better perspective on the Filipino connection. I've long wondered how deep the Spanish influence goes; at this point, I'm somewhat inclined to think it has been overrated. Certainly very little rapier influence (predominance of the thrust). Even if Spanish gentlemen carried rapiers, it is not something Filipino peasants would have access to, unlike bolos used in field work or traditional Filipino war swords, so the the crossover would be small. Also, in spite of the reputation for using double weapons, I wonder how much espada y daga technique really got used in warfare. We don't hear of it much against the Japanese (such as San Miguel Dos Manos, or Estalilla's Bombollia, or military bolo), or even against other Filipinos too much ... Can anyone fill in some historic perspective on the use of long and short? Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "J. Hutchinson" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:56:34 PST Subject: eskrima: Paul Vunak Info. Greetings All! Does anyone out there have any "nuggets" on Paul Vunak and/ or his system( PFS)? I heard that he was a close quarters combat instructor for the SEAL's. If so, is he connected to SAFTA combat system( created by Lew Hicks, retired Senior Chief of multi-special operations platoons for SEAL Team One.) Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:01:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE:Parkinson's again As I stated before any repeated trauma to the head is bad and likely cause similar symptom's such as tremors, shakes, etc. Because someone has tremors, etc that does not mean they have Parkinson's disease. Muhammad Ali might have Parkinson's, and then again he might have one of the many other neurological diseases. But according to the expert's and in all of the scientific journals I have read. There is no correlation between getting hit in the head and Parkinson's. Alzheimer's Yes. Muhammad Ali is one man. Making an assumption on one observable case is not very good science. Otherwise we would also have to assume that most people who act might get MS or whatever it is that Michael J. Fox is suffering from. Muhammad Ali was supposed to be one of the best boxers, so what about all those people that he knocked out, Mike Tyson's victims, or any other fighter. I don't see a plethora of ex-professional boxers with Parkinson's. It is true that some people have a predisposition for neurological and other disorders due to genetic factors that can be aggravated etc. Perhaps Muhammad Ali is one of these cases but we can not generalize and since I haven't spoken with M.A.'s neurologist then I can only speculate. I don't know much about Dementia Pugilistica, I plan on reading up on it though, and asking of the Neurologist about it tomorrow. Jeff Monaghan "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you." ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:00:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sure, blame the sticks! >He then told me that I would have to >use some ragged community rattan until I brought my sticks back >because I would not develop the proper "stick sensitivity" with Mr. >Finders composites. I love it! The folks who diss my sticks the most are those who've never used them. All sticks have individual feel; not all rattan is the same, and hardwoods differ from each other etc. It is QUITE possible to develop sensitivity with my sticks; any lack of sensitivity tells more on the practitioner (it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools). I can feel anything with my sticks that I can feel with rattan. Period. When I first heard this kind of talk, I passed my sticks to guys like Angel Cabales, who liked them, and an old Kahuna (ditto) for the "psychic" aspect. I've been told by Paula that Guro I. uses my some of my sticks when he travels internationally, and those aren't even my best sticks. My guess is someone is making $$ selling rattan every month .... Color of dirt: I thought that was from elements like iron or copper in the dirt, not melanin .... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:49:59 -0600 Subject: eskrima: PETA > Hey, if we wern't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out > of meat...;-) > Duh, so are people. ------------------------------ From: "G. Michael Zimmer" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:49:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------ACD0179623C4CE816359BB67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > From: "Peter A. Kautz" > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:17:50 -0500 > Subject: eskrima: Pinoy boxers > > Here's the deatails on the tape I saw of Pinoy boxers - > ... > Though this was old, grainey footage, the skill of these boxers shines > through. The footwork and hand techniques are very different from the > westerners they are boxing! > Peter, Is there any way that you can describe how their techniques differed? I am interested in the talk on a previous thread that the FMA influenced the Pinoy boxers, which in turn influenced western boxing. Regards, G. 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It's up on my website at Please, take a look (especially you folks with real medical/kinesiology/ etc. training), see if there's anything you can use, and give me your feedback, comments, and so on. I'd love to improve this part of the site, as well as my training. There are some other drills up there, too, at If you have comments on improving those, or some you can share that I can add there, that would be great, too! cheers, afm _____________________________________________________________ Stupid is as stupid does, and sometimes I sure do! Andrew Maddox, voicing only his own opinions, and not even sure of that. PGP Key fingerprint = 0A 6C 1D CA 2B 39 A9 0E 76 D9 1E 3D 12 44 03 E6 madsox@radix.net, http://www.radix.net/~madsox ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:03:49 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #88 In a message dated 3/1/99 7:41:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << LOOOONG bible lesson snipped... What does this discussion have to do with FMA, very little I am afraid. My apologies to all! :) May God richly bless you all, Sifu Brian T. Henderson Head Instructor Christian Martial Arts Ministry >> Brian please refrain from the religious stuff. This is not a pulpit. If it doesnt have much to do with fma perhaps you could either email the person individually or post to a more apropriate forum. ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:29:22 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Have You Seen-a-Wally? Does anyone know of sources for asymmetrical siniwali patterns? Does the Inayan system contain asymmetrical patterns? In the time that I got to train with Rick Faye he used to have us drill arbitrary mixtures of combinations of hi/low strikes using the basic 6 count. After a round of one pattern he'd ask someone to pick another (like "high/high/low/low/high/low") which we'd then do for another round. Anyone aware of any systematically-structured drills of that type? In addition to what may be obvious benefits the continuous transitions from high to low and back were also great for the legs and other postural muscles. Note: Sorry for the ranting about the local badmouther ... another reminder of how much tolerance can be necessary sometimes. It matters not where he's from, just his attitude (one of the most important people in my life was from the PRC, Sun Kai Lao Shih, a woman who provided the greatest encouragement that I've ever had, beautiful soul). All that talk about brotherhood in the martial arts, whoa! I reminded him of his PRC Wu Shu motto "Friendship First" and appealed to an adult sense of responsibility and mutual respect apparently to no avail ... guy doesn't even mind being sued for libel! Jealosuy's a BIT muCH ... Aiya, what's a guy to do ... No calling out allowed, my wife would kick my duff for that :-) and I might wind up in jail or who knows what (people got friends/flunkies). Besides, gotta practice what we preach, right? So, NEways, sumbodeh send me sum info on sum siniwali pleez. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:03:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: PETA > > Hey, if we wern't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out > > of meat...;-) > > Duh, so are people. Your point being.?.?. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:13:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Have You Seen-a-Wally? > Does anyone know of sources for asymmetrical siniwali patterns? Does > the Inayan system contain asymmetrical patterns? Yes, the Inayan System does contain asymmetrical sinawalli patterns. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:14:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #90 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.