From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #91 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 2 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 091 In this issue: eskrima: Ho from CO eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #90 eskrima: ben largusa's people eskrima: Sinawali eskrima: Re:WW2 eskrima: Bootleg kali designs eskrima: Have you Seen-a-Wally eskrima: RE: synthetics and asymmetrics eskrima: RE: ED V6 #90 asym-awallis (Have You Seen-a-Wally?) eskrima: Re: PETA- Yummy eats! eskrima: PETA eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: Mental Factor eskrima: Questions eskrima: PETA revisit eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! 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Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Halleck" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:32:17 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #90 Hey Mik I train with Guro Ron Balicki and Guro Pete Hetrick and both do plenty of Pre-fixing out of siniwali, example, 1st count perform a segida then finish with the rest of the six count, abininko's then rest of six count, other times we insert the pre-fix on the second and forth hit (or Beat), don't know if this is what your looking for but sounds like it, and i know Pete see's Rick Faye often. Marc Halleck Northshore Academy of Martial Arts ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:48:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: ben largusa's people hi, i know a guy living in san fransisco who studied under guro inosanto back in torrence, and is looking to get in touch with ben largusa's people. if anyone could help, please send him mail at jegreen@dnai.com. thanks... tim ------------------------------ From: "Brian T. Henderson" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:40:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sinawali Mik wrote: Does anyone know of sources for asymmetrical siniwali patterns? Does the Inayan system contain asymmetrical patterns? In the time that I got to train with Rick Faye he used to have us drill arbitrary mixtures of combinations of hi/low strikes using the basic 6 count. After a round of one pattern he'd ask someone to pick another (like "high/high/low/low/high/low") which we'd then do for another round. Anyone aware of any systematically-structured drills of that type? In addition to what may be obvious benefits the continuous transitions from high to low and back were also great for the legs and other postural muscles Me: Hi Mik, in the Cabauatan System of Escrima, we practice about 25 different patterns with the purpose of developing exactly what you mentioned, specifically emphasizing flow and balance. Sifu Jay Cabauatan was a student of the Labor System, or Siete Pares, as it is called here in the states. The Sinawali drills are an important part of conditioning and reflex training within this system as well as the Cabauatan system. We perform the sinawali drills with rattan, but eventually progress to bolos and alternate between 6 and 8 count patterns. We also use jo and bo staffs so that we become proficient in the largo mano range. If you are interested in contacting Guru Bert Labitan of the Siete Pares group for info on his sinawali training, perhaps one of his students are on the list, or I could try to pass on your email address. God Bless You, Sifu Brian T. Henderson http://cmaministry.com/cabauatan.htm ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:48:43 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:WW2 <> Jeff, One thing that is often missed is that the blade was used for everyday use as well, to cut down trees, to hunt, make huts and the knife was used for game and cutting down fruits etc. So the indigenous people were well aware of how to use a blade long before the Spaniards or else there would've been alot of mud huts... remember that the Spaniards chose to BURN the villages so they were materials primarily from the foliage/environment. As for the double weapons, by the time WW2 came around, I know from my own uncle's experiences in Bacolod - he tried to get the locals to organize and 'obtain' guns... in fact, he had a hard time convincing the kali men to take up guns as well as having the blades as back up. He told them they weren't fighting the Spaniards anymore and the Japanese had heavy fire power... too tough to get close unless snuck up on (which they did several times anyway). Even when they had some ammunition, he said they were ambushing Japanese columns with nothing more than two shots (bullets) PER man!!! So they had to make the shots count and move out or close in depending on the fire power the japanese had. Another fact is that SOME of the Filipino guerillas were not exactly thinking of the people - there were roving bands of guerillas who preyed on the locals- stealing the food and doing the pillaging/rape thing. They fought the japanese but also did much harm to the natives- my uncle's efforts were also to police their own kind and make sure that those guerillas who were doing more harm than good would be 'taken' care of. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:59:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Bootleg kali designs I was informed (and seen )the other day of pendants (gold) of 2 filipino tribal warriors fighting close quarter being sold at over $100 plus through blade magazines and newsletters. Please be aware that they are bootlegged from my artwork and whoever is selling them is doing so without permission. I guess this jewelry has been sold for some time now and the pendant maker's label had "Ronnie Smith (47th Street , NY)" on it. If Mr. Smith is on the list please cease and desist. If anyone else runs into these- could you let me know? Thank you. - --Rafael-- Tuazon@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:29:43 PST Subject: eskrima: Have you Seen-a-Wally Mik and Ray - Can someone describe "assymetrical sinawali" in slow motion, for those of us who haven't seen it? Kevin shillelagh2@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Allen Eastwood" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:27:28 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: synthetics and asymmetrics > -----Original Message----- > From: > Subject: eskrima: Sure, blame the sticks! > I love it! The folks who diss my sticks the most are > those who've never > used them. All sticks have individual feel; not all rattan > is the same, > and hardwoods differ from each other etc. It is QUITE > possible to develop > sensitivity with my sticks; any lack of sensitivity tells more on the > practitioner (it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools). > Jeff "Stickman" Finder Just a quick note from a VERY satisfied customer of Jeff's. I've got 3 of his sticks and I love them. They feel great and you have the same stick sensitivity. A must have, IMO, for any long-term FMA student! I think it's true, however, that some people are making some $$ off selling the rattan. So I'd just recommend using rattan when you "have" to and use the synthetics as much as possible and you'll at least get longer life out of the rattan. *grin* If you want to be really nasty in a subtle sort of way, just make sure you always buy your rattan from someone other than the guy who's insisting on it. - -Allen > From: Kalki > Does anyone know of sources for asymmetrical siniwali patterns? Does > the Inayan system contain asymmetrical patterns? In the time > that I got > to train with Rick Faye he used to have us drill arbitrary mixtures of > combinations of hi/low strikes using the basic 6 count. After a round > of one pattern he'd ask someone to pick another (like > "high/high/low/low/high/low") which we'd then do for another round. > Anyone aware of any systematically-structured drills of that type? In > addition to what may be obvious benefits the continuous transitions > from high to low and back were also great for the legs and other > postural muscles. There's the high/low/high/whatever combinations that are decent. From Defensor, I picked up a really neat 8 count pattern that's nice and asymmetrical. If Guro Nate's lurking around, maybe he'd be so kind as to describe it? I'd try but my brain is fried from working all night! Laban Tulisan also has a number of asymmetrical patterns that are designed to teach a broken rhythm. The nice thing about them is that they give you a lot more options and thoughts about ways to use two sticks doing different but complimentary things. - -Allen mixal@onramp.net ------------------------------ From: Henry Martinez Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:50:41 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: ED V6 #90 asym-awallis (Have You Seen-a-Wally?) Hello Mik Paul Vunak outlines this nicely on his Panther Productions stickfighting tape. Using this as a starting point I worked out all the possible combinations of single, reverse single, double, and reverse double sinawallis. After some experimentation I settled on a set of twelve combinations which seemed to work best, although doing all the combinations is great for coordination. The following is the set we use. 1. H H H - L L 2. H H H - L H 3. H H L - H H 4. H H L - H L 5. H H L - L L 6. H H L - L H 7. L L L - H H 8. L L L - H L 9. L L H - H H 10. L L H - H L 11. L L H - L L 12. L L H - L H As an example, number 9 (LLH - HH) could be used against a right downward diagonal forehand strike to your left knee. LLH would be a right side reverse double sinawalli, where you would L) right forehand to attacker's stick, L) left backhand to attacker's stick hand, H) right backhand to attacker's head, - HH would be a left side single sinawalli, where you would, H) left forehand to attacker's lead arm, H) left backhand to attacker's head. The LL in LLH (or the HH in HHL) is performed similarly to the DBs fluid attack, with the final H (or L) being a light or heavy stroke depending on the situation. The single sinawalli portion of any combination is typically done as power strikes, though this isn't set in stone. We use the combinations as a general guide, and let everything else, timing, footwork, exact targets, etc., develop naturally for the individual practitioner. Later, HM H. T. Jon Martinez Tammarau Kempo-Jutsu 801 1/2 East 22nd Street Merced CA 95340 (209) 722-4828 (209) 381-6640 > ---------- > > From: Kalki > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:29:22 -0600 > Subject: eskrima: Have You Seen-a-Wally? > > Does anyone know of sources for asymmetrical siniwali patterns? > Be well, > Mik ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:04:35 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: PETA- Yummy eats! But people don't taste as good as furry, little, harmless creatures. Then again, I hear they taste like chicken, along with every other thing that people wouldn't regularly eat. Eat whatever you want to eat.... be it diniguan( sp?) or bean curd. I personally don't like to eat while I'm training, so what gives? Mabuhay Ang Eskrima!!! Fry Bread Boy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Drew Zimba Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:20:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: PETA >>From: Kalki >>Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:49:59 -0600 >>Subject: eskrima: PETA >> >>> Hey, if we wern't supposed to eat animals, then why >>are they made out >>> of meat...;-) >>> >>Duh, so are people. It's a joke, mon! A play on words. Relax... Enjoy... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:54:38 EST Subject: eskrima: (no subject) << Does anyone out there have any "nuggets" on Paul Vunak and/ or his system( PFS)? >> He is an excellent communicator,......funny, articulate, and can really demo well, and gets his point across. I liked his seminar and point of view. I know he does lots of in house personal training. Does anyone on the list know if Paul can travel from Long Beach?? I consider him a first class fighter/teacher with lots of good marketing sense. I hope he can overcome personal problems and travel more. Tom Furman ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:54:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Mental Factor I have been studing for a small time now, and I was curious how to overcome what I call the "mental factor". This is when you freeze or get such an adrenaline rush that you can't think clear enough to respond correctly. I was curious if anbody had any methods of overcomming this potentially dangerous situation. Any and all advice will be much appreciated. - -DblDog77@aol.com- ------------------------------ From: "big Joe A." Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:56:09 PST Subject: eskrima: Questions Hi all, It's me again the lurker known to all as ninjoe and to some as Big Joe. Well I thought I would stir things up a touch by posing a few questions that I've been dying to ask. 1. How many of you out there practicing FMA are learning Siniwali? 2. How many of you think you could actually apply the Siniwali that you are or have learned to an actual combat situation involving a skilled opponent? 3. Do you agree that a weapon such as a stick is used as an extension of your empty hand? 4. If so then why, when using such long sticks in Siniwali (The average size that I have seen is 30" long.)do you remain at a close range and block using the middle of the stick instead of the end as logic would dictate. Wouldn't one want to utilize the full added range from the length of the sticks as a safety margin to work out of? Just some questions that came up in my mind as I was training. No foul intent. Just wanted to make people think and hopefully spark up a good topic of conversation. If I ticked anyone off I apologize in advance. I am only speaking from a very limited experience in only seeing siniwali a hand full of times. Hoping for some interesting conversation. Your friend in training, Big Joe A. "Always question authority. For if you don't you don't know where they may be leading you." From the Joe Files ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:08:04 -0600 Subject: eskrima: PETA revisit > > > Hey, if we wern't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out > > > of meat...;-) > > > > Duh, so are people. > > Your point being.?.?. > > :) > Ray hombre, I ain't gettin' back into that one, we don't REALLY want to go there, right? Well ... just to oblige: If the above logic holds then cannibalism is a VGT because people and other animals are made of the same stuff. I thought the point was obvious, didn't want to spell it out. The words 'people' and 'animals' in the above sentence are interchangeable. Jam, this reminds me of a lady who argued with me one day that Dahmer was "just hungry." ?!?!?! She had no revulsion for his acts (which suggested to me that she was as inhuman/insane as he was) and argued until I took her thru a walk of an imaginary crime of his in which the victim was her baby, her mother or her self. Difficult to believe someone could speak in empathy with that guy. She'd never babysit my kids! Be well, Mik Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #91 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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