From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #94 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 4 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 094 In this issue: eskrima: Aloha Online News! (fwd) eskrima: lanada system eskrima: pogoing with the Animal eskrima: building training equipment eskrima: John Clements & HACA eskrima: Re: Sinawali eskrima: twirl - twirl - twirl eskrima: Re: Sinawali eskrima: Re: Training for stressful situations, hilot eskrima: more siniwali eskrima: Making them miss eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Hakama's $20.00 Reg $69.95 - TKD Reversible Chest Protectors $8.00 Reg. $29.95! New products added on a regular basis! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:47:11 EST Subject: eskrima: lanada system First off I'd like to thank everyone who has, and will answer my questions, you all have been verry helpfull. I was just curious if anyone here who has or is studing the lanada system. Any comments or opinions on it would be appreciated. thanks again DblDog77@aol.com- "The light that shines from within is the true power" ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:21:39 -0800 Subject: eskrima: pogoing with the Animal A Howl etc: Good Post from Animal. > << > 2. How many of you think you could actually apply the > > Siniwali that you > > are or have learned to an actual combat situation involving a skilled > > opponent? >> > > Okay, it's time for Animal to go pogo sticking across thin ice. > > To tell you the truth I have a slight problem with many of the siniwali > practices that I have seen. Having been in both real blade confrontations and > enough unchoreographed live steel demos I have to say that my old kung fu's > teacher statement makes more and more sense. "If he ain't down after three > moves, you're doing something wrong.'" Encouraging something to go on and on > makes me nervous because I learned something a long time ago. If he isn't down > inside three moves, then I'm going to be the one that is down. Agreed. A GT Gaje commented to me this past summer "If I haven't taken him out in three seconds, he's very good." or something to that effect. Still, I know that, for example, when I roll in BJJ it can take a very long time to put someone away, but when I have a go with someone lacking this category of skill, I can usually put them away pretty quickly. I believe this applies other areas too. For example, a kickboxing fight can take forever but if you run into someone who has never experienced a leg kick, well then you might drop them upon initiation of hostilities. > Also I get kind of an uncomfortable twinge when I see people clacking sticks > together - especially if I see them aiming, not for their opponent, but his > stick. We have a box pattern that we practice that covers all nine angles. But > it is done at point blank range and if your block doesn't get there, it's time > for you to do the Owwie dance. I know this because next to my instructor I > move like a pregnant yak and I have done this dance a number of times myself. > If you have been training to hit your partners stick instead of him, you might > unconsciously fall into that range when you should be trying to lay a shovel > upside the guys head. YES!!! This is a pet peeve of mine and is part of the "living dead training syndrome". A closely related one is the individual who swings his stick like he is feeding for a disarm and thus puts his hand where I train myself to hit. Instead of learning to not put his hand there, instead he gets mad when in fact he does get hit. My response "Pretend you're learning to fight--Don't put your hand where I hit." As for those who swing in front of you instead of at you, may I suggest make it clear that they would not be disrespectful if they did (this does hold many people back) and if they still don't, then do what you would do in a fight if someone did that. > Finally there is the difference between the weight of a practice stick and a > carjack. Back in the days before gunpowder was invented I studied fencing. The > difference between what you could do with a fencing sabre and what you could > do with a real one is amazing. Give me a light practice sword and I could make > Basil Rathbone look slow, however 90% of those moves went out the window with > a real blade. How many people have practiced siniwali with 2x4s? A thick > branch? A length of pipe? A shovel? Unless you play Duncan McLeod and carry > your sticks around with you under your long leather coat, you have to use what > comes to hand. That signicantly changes the physics and real world application > of your siniwali. Very yes. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Swordpersons? This is like in the US calling the Founding Fathers the Founders. My yip is with Tom! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:14:07 EST Subject: eskrima: building training equipment Hi guys, Been practicing Modern Arnis about 2 years now. Lots of info being tossed around here and its cool. Just wanted to know if you guys built training equipment. i.e. tire dummies etc. Cause I've been looking for a section of telephone/utility pole to make a pseudo Wing Chun Dummy for training. any idea where to start looking? (I'm in NYC by the way) Thanks guys. Gar ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:00:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: John Clements & HACA In reading all the recent posts re. John Clements and his views on FMA, fencing, his art etc., it should be remembered that he is trying to re-create Renaissance style swordsmanship. While I respect his efforts, I have found that people who are "re-creators" often have a very lofty idea about what they are trying to do. I have also found these notions of "we are doing the real thing and they are doing sport ..." or "if they fought with real weapons..." to be true of some SCA people as well. Therefore I have to laugh at the notion that sport fencers would be ineffective in a fight. I have fenced with world class fencers (FIE A rated) and officiated at the international sabre competitions. The sense of distance and timing of these athletes is incredible. I would never want to face someone like Pete Westbrook or Jean Francois Lamour with real blades. Remember, many rapiers weighed only about 8-10 oz. more than a modern epee and were probably beautifully balanced. I should also note that in addition to having been a fencer/fencing coach, I am also an instructor of San Miguel Eskrima under Tom Bisio. We have added rapier and dagger to the system precisely because it trains that sense of timing and distance that benefits our espada y daga training. Additionally, it trains the eye to follow motion and adds a delicacy to the stick work. Well, there's my opinion, like Clements' and everyone else's it's worth what you pay for it. Best, James M. Seetoo Instructor San Miguel Eskrima www.eskrima.com jimms@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:18:43 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Sinawali I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on the Sinawali fighting issue, as we'd just been discussing this on aol. As both myself and others have noted, it seems that almost everyone in the Filipino arts are familiar with the basic Sinawali drills, yet very few people can actually fight using double stick. Many practicioners look like they are fighting with a single stick in each hand, and can't make the two work together to complement one another. I believe that this is because many people see siniwali as coordination drills, and nothing more. I believe that this is a mistake. The way I was taught by guro Eddie, these drills are the jumping off point to begin learning the more combative applications. Learn some of the basic sets, then begin blending them in more of a freestyle fashion. Then learn to adapt, and choose you're strikes as they are needed, depending on your opponent's movement. You should be able to begin using a pattern, break it, and initiate a different combination at any point through your movement. Just because you start a pattern does not mean you have to finish it. In addition, it is a good idea to vary your strike count also, as the typical six count siniwali, while it is fast, becomes very predictable, and also can set you up to get trapped if you make the mistake of moving in to close. The "tucking" can get you in trouble, especially against a singlestick fighter with a free hand. Also, a hard parry (especially a horizontal one) can really screw up the beat of the six strike combo. So, be aware that you can use four strike, or two strike at any time. Be prepared to umbrella or crussada your way out of any potential traps. Take my word, facing an expert double stick fighter can be truly an intimidating experience. Hopefully this post will bring Mr. Lastra out of lurking, because he is an expert on the subject. Respectfully, Ryan Greene ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:03:27 EST Subject: eskrima: twirl - twirl - twirl tenrec wrote on my comment: << Cannot say we would recommend heavy sticks right off the bat...you might want to try long sticks though, as this makes twirling much easier... >> I have to point out once again that one should start slow and easy, especially with heavy or long sticks. With my students I have good results when using bigger sticks. The point on that is people will not be able to tense or to cramp (with hurts), the stick has to flow through its path. Therefore one is able to learn the relaxed controll better > relaxing is the first step for stretching - only a relaxed muscle is able to twirl smoothly. Of course, I aggree with tenrec putting big emphasis on regular stretching and wrist excersises. Bernd Giller, Germany ptbernd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:13:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Sinawali Hey Guys nice thread we have here in the Sinawali. Big Joe this is nice exercise mainly wrist,arms and shoulder. About using sinawali in application.? Well it is defend on the person who will use the techniques of sinawali, the beginner might have a bit of a problem in "Flow" of this double weapon techniques, but I will guarantee you that those people practiced this techniques long enought to understand the concept of Sinawali will utilized every angle of these system effectively. L-H-L-H is the common theory of Sinawali, variations is common in Sinawali example L-L-L-L and H-H-H-H this is the type of Drills make your fighting strategies more effective interm of flow or fluid motions. BTW, Crafty is right Sinawali means weaving therefore if you cant do weaving fluidly you fall in the term we used "Hindiwali" meaning you cannot weave. If you would understand the Sinawali is the System mainly the used of double weapon this not not doesn't matter if EyD, Sibat y Daga, Sibat Y Tabak, Tabak Y baston, Baston y Kawit, Daga Y Mano, Doble Baston, Doble Tabak, Doble Sibat, Doble Daga and Mano Y Mano. Sinawali is the Whole name of the System. Some others refers is only the used of double stick techniques or double Tabak techniques. Sinawali is a complete system that was developed in Central Luzon, I would not the term of the region we might had some practitioner that claimed that the arts is come from there region so I used the term Central Luzon in general. If you go back and read "Crafty" wrote is making simple enought to understand the meaning of Sinawali. About this Tabak y Revolver things, In Guerillas Warfare everything is surprice attacks therefore the Guerillas used the most weapons available. If Guns is available they are not stupid enough to not used the most fast killing bullets. But in term of EYD in Guerilla yes it was used effectively in close quarter combat. My "Uncle" is HUK Vetarans he is known in Laguna/Rizal/Quezon Provinces (Commander "SABO") he also well respected Eskrimadors on his time. I thinks everyone has different experience in EyD and Sinawali but I had only one word to say Train the way your Instructor said and later try to create your own variation of this techniques. Okey thaks, hope it help a bit, Gumagalang/with Respect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:38:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Training for stressful situations, hilot In regards to training for stressful situations, you might check out a title from Paladin called "Real Fighting". The author whose name escapes me, makes a couple of points. Firstly, learning is stored differently in the brain in the relaxed vs. stressed mode. So, if you want your techniques to come out in a combat/stress situation you need practice them in that mode. That is sparring against multiple opponents, getting hit with a stun gun, etc. anything that will initiate that adrenaline rush. He also feels that you need to be aware of/accustomed to the normal physiological changes that take place when your body does hit such a state (tunnel vision, weak legs, etc) and try to relax with them. Thus, the more you do something the more comfortable you feel. I have found that I need to do my techniques during sparring in order for them to come out during sparring time. In other words, doing techniqes in the air won't bring them out automatically in sparring, and only by ingraining during sparring times do they become automatic. Have others found the same phenomena? BTW, the website for the authors of the Healing Hands of Hilot is www.philippinehilot.org Finally, a belated apology to Ron Harris in regards to the Mardi Gras camp I missed. American Airlines (strike) cancelled my flight. Maybe others had the same problem. Anyhow, I'm planning on making it next year. Sid "Vicious" Stein Sidney525@aol.com Filipino Kali-Escrima Academy of Chicago/Defensor method ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:58:17 -0700 Subject: eskrima: more siniwali Animal wrote: "If he ain't down after three moves, you're doing something wrong.'" Encouraging something to go on and on makes me nervous because I learned something a long time ago. If he isn't down inside three moves, then I'm going to be the one that is down. While I usually find Animal's comments unusually rational and down to earth, as well as enetertaining. I have to differ somewhat on this point. I find in my training that it is very important to distinguish between DRILLS and APPLICATIONS. In an application, I agree with Animal's old instructor 100%. However, siniwali is a drill, and drills are designed to develop specific skills, not to be used in combat precisely as practiced. Going "on and on" in siniwali develops strength and coordination (body and hand/eye) in movement. In any martial art, I believe that massive repetition is the key to relaxed, effective movement. Drills like siniwali have this repetition designed into it. This is especially important for beginners trying to burn proper movement into muscle memory. (Remeber how spastic some people are when they first train! :) ) My belief is that if you can't do a simple drill properly, you probably can't target properly either. Once the dirll is mastered, its time to try the application more realistically. Steve Wolk swolk@nexstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:13:10 PST Subject: eskrima: Making them miss Eskrimadors- Does anyone do any drills specifically to cultivate an awareness of the opponents reach? I hate to slip an opponents strike, only to take myself out of range. Maybe this comes only with sparring, but any shortcuts would be appreciated. Having seen Gat Puno Abon Baet, I would especially like to hear from the Garimot Gang. Thanks, Kevin Black shillelagh2@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:47:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #94 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.