From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 5 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 096 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Big Joe's Sinawali Questions eskrima: Re: Building training equipment eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #95 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #94 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #95 eskrima: Re: PQuinn eskrima: Range. [none] eskrima: re: Mental Factor [V6#91] eskrima: animal - sinawalli eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eddie S. Lastra" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:10:47 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Big Joe's Sinawali Questions - ---------- > Take my word, > facing an expert double stick fighter can be truly an intimidating experience. > Hopefully this post will bring Mr. Lastra out of lurking, because he is an > expert on the subject. > > Respectfully, > > Ryan Greene > Thank you Ryan for the complement. But IMHO, one of the real experts of Luzon Style of Sinawali today is Manong Norlito Soriano of San Jose, CA whom I studied from a number of years and is one of my FMA mentors ( my late brother Jorge, being the other). Manong Norlie learned Sinawali from the Kapampangan master Lambarto Ticsay in the early 1960's at Far Eastern University during the ARNIS REVIVAL MOVEMENT of that era. The first American magazine article on Arnis titled "The Art That Couldn't Be Banned", published in Black Belt Magazine circa 1966, features Maestro Ticsay and talks about the work of the ARM. Manong Norlie came into the US in 1968 and still lives in San Jose, CA. Now on to Big Joe's questions about the sinawali. First off, I hope it understood that what I write are only my viewpoints, based on my knowledge and experience in FMA's. Nothing more, so take it for what it's worth. That being said, the first thing I want to mention is that the correct spelling is SINAWALI, not siniwali, sinawalli, or seen-a-wally. As mentioned before, it comes from the Tagalog word "Sawali" which describes the criss-cross weaving or overlapping of materials used in our native wall panels, floor mats, or baskets. The word "Sina" is another Tagalog word which turns a noun or adjective into a verb. So another way to understand the meaning of "sinawali" comes as a result of how your weapons end up overlapping each other by specific sequences of moves. In the spectre of Luzon FMA styles, Sinawali is just one of a number ways the hands can wield double weaponry. In fact, it can become the most complex way. Because of this, if you are not in control of it, you can become quickly entangled in it. In practical application, sinawali is made more effective for combat by using simplified movement. Sinawali typically works using 2 movements at a time and seldom goes beyond that. Any more than that would over occupy the mind and result in either delayed or incorrect responses. So why then is the "6 strike sinawali" more popular? I think mostly because it's visually appealing and helps to get new students interested. It can be a fun drill for developing some coordination of both hands. But for practical use, it has too many moves. Prolonged drilling with it can lock you in an unbreakable loop, which makes it very predictable to a skilled fighter. To better know sinawali is to study the function and relationship of each individual movement within it and how these relate to the other ways of weapon movements. Then learn how to spontaneously apply these against random angles of attack while maintaining total control. This of course is easier said than done, but that's why it's called an art. I hope I answered some of your questions here. I find it very, very difficult to put into words the many nuances of our art. That's an art in itself. I also hope that in submitting this post that I have not ruffled any feathers and if I have, my sincerest apologies in advance. Respectfully, Eddie S. Lastra Lastra School of Arnis eslastra@jps.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:11:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Building training equipment >Hi guys, >Been practicing Modern Arnis about 2 years now. Lots of info being tossed >around here and its cool. >Just wanted to know if you guys built training equipment. i.e. tire dummies >etc. >Cause I've been looking for a section of telephone/utility pole to make a >pseudo Wing Chun Dummy for training. any idea where to start looking? (I'm in >NYC by the way) >Thanks guys. >Gar I don't know where you can get utility poles, but you might be able to find lengths of tree trunks from aborists/forestry companies. Also, utility poles are full of chemicals to deter insects and rot. I wouldn't want to get those chemicals on me! By the way, aren't you an advanced student at the school I train in(Modern Arnis Domog)? Your name sounds familiar. Kelvin Williams kel620@aol.com Modern Arnis Student ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:06:48 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #95 In a message dated 99-03-04 20:07:22 EST, you write: << Sid Stein wrote: >In regards to training for stressful situations, you might check out a >title >from Paladin called "Real Fighting". The author whose name >escapes me This is Peyton Quinn, author of "A Bouncer's Guide to Barroom Brawling" - along the same lines as Animal's books, and also well worth the reading. >> I'll second that Peyton's and Animal's books are well worth reading. Animal wrote the forward to mine, so I guess I'd put it in the same catagory. :-) Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:20:07 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #94 An after-thought to the sinawali thread: Some people emphasize the 'just clicking sticks together' mentality. I think this comes from thinking of the pattern as an attack technique, even in drills. One way of breaking out of this to emphasize the evasive stick work in sinawali. That is, when you are throwing the #1 shot, the opponent is trying to target your hand. Emphasize the removal of your hand and the covering/counter-attacking action of the next strike. On another subject: A long long time and several posts ago, someone queried about Dumog. He didn't get any answers, so I'm re-posting the issue. Are there any materials out there that address this aspect of FMA? I have the DB Machado vid and Vunak's vid as well as most of the popular FMA books available. Is there anything else? Barring that, what would list members say are the unique aspects of Dumog or Filipino wrestling (different from Japanese, Brazilian, western grappling that I'm already familiar with)? My FMA teacher done some lock and lock flows, but beyond that, I haven't been exposed to anything else yet. Thanks in advance for your replies. Andrew Breton ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: jmfrankl Date: Fri, 5 Mar 99 00:31:31 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #95 >Greetings! > >I've been searching the web for sources of traditional style filipino >weapons, but haven't turned anything other than Kris Cutlery and Visayan >Legacy. I'd never heard of Visayan Legacy before, so I was wondering if >anyone had any of their products and could give a review of them. > >I'd also appreciate any tips on other sources of traditional style weapons. >I'd like to do a little comparing before I buy. Btw, I'm _not_ looking for >display models or collectable antiques. > >In case anyone wants to check them out, here's Visayan Legacy's url: > > lugani.com/visayanlegacy/ > >TIA. > >Dave Fulton >dwf@computerpackages.com > Thanks for the url Dave--does anyone have Kris's? Since you mentioned your not looking to display/collect I am assuming you want something to use. My sense is that getting something from a custom maker here might be a good way to go. You can base your design on any picture you like, choose the steel, handle material, edge profile, etc. Also--Crafty will remember this one--grip size if you have a hand larger than the average Philippine Islander of 100 years ago, blade length, etc. If you want something to bang with, antiques are not cheap. If you want a razor-sharp sword, today's makers are awesome. Either way you win. I am working on a bolo forged from 1095 for a buddy who does Pikiti Tirsia and having as much fun making it as he will using it. John p.s. Crafty and Ron, now that I know a bit about knife making, I know why the scabbards on those barongs don't fit. They fit in the Philippines but the wood was fresh. Tropical hardwoods especially should be dried/cured for about 3 yrs before worked otherwise they shrink, warp, etc. Especially when going from the tropics to the desert (LA). Sorry. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:44:11 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: PQuinn <In regards to training for stressful situations, you might check out a >title >from Paladin called "Real Fighting". The author whose name >escapes me This is Peyton Quinn, author of "A Bouncer's Guide to Barroom Brawling" - along the same lines as Animal's books, and also well worth the reading. jester >> If you have access to aol then I suggest checking out Mr.Quinn's folder titled Reality Check. He's a no nonsense guy with excellent communication skills. He'll break things down pretty good and thorough. Let him know I sent ya. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: "jallen.tac.coe.unt.edu (Jeff Allen)" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:53:18 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Range. Kevin wrote:<> First. I apologize for code errors that are appearing. I=27m checking with the techs on campus to figure out the problem. I use a really simple drill....First, the teacher utilizes different lengths, types, and weights of weapons and spars VERY slowly with the student (at first). The student will first utilize no weapons =AF their job is to move into the weapon zone and touch the teacher=27s torso, then get back out of range before being hit. The student is not allowed to block or pass or touch the attacking weapon in any way.=20 The teacher will keep the same weapon until the student get comfortable with the weapon and then the teacher changes. The toughest weapon for the student seems to be the empty hands. The second phase is the same for the teachers, but the student gets to begin using weapons to touch the teacher. Of course the sparring will begin to speed up to keep the student on their toes. Third, As the student begins to advance with this drill, I then try to teach rubber banding. In which the student stays as close to the danger zone as possible (rubber band stretched) and when the attack the snaps (rubber band popping together) into the teacher, touches, and then get back out. =20 As you can understand the touch can be substituted for any strike. I use this to teach weapon recognition (length, weight, lethalness, etc.), recognition of the ouch zone, and finally respect for fighting in a non 10-point sport =AF the object is to inflict damage without having damage inflicted. Keep training, Jeff Allen jallen=40unt.edu =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------ From: Acevedo Miguel Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:42:38 -0500 Subject: [none] David W. Fulton wrote "David W. Fulton" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Bolo's, Barongs, etc. Greetings! I've been searching the web for sources of traditional style filipino weapons, but haven't turned anything other than Kris Cutlery and Visayan Legacy. I'd never heard of Visayan Legacy before, so I was wondering if anyone had any of their products and could give a review of them. TIA. Dave Fulton dwf@computerpackages.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Greetings :-) Vedo Bows ;^) I'm not an expert on weaponry but,,, I have purchase a Kris Knife and Sword Set from Visayan Legacy and will so in the future and I do recommend them for their product and Price their speediness in delivering can't be beat, their Quality/$ in my book will do all justice :-) I think (imho) you can't go wrong. Vedo ;^) - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:55:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: Mental Factor [V6#91] Hello DblDog77, In addition to what the other replies recommended, I highly recommend another Paladin Press author Geoff Thompson. In his book, DEAD OR ALIVE, he recommends the following to deal with the mental factor/fear/adrenaline: A, R and O THEORY OF FEAR CONTROL "A" stands for accepting fear into your body "R" stands for recognizing it as adrenaline "O" stands for overriding it and dealing with the adversity head on Since one of the psychological effects of adrenaline is the presence of negative thoughts, Thompson has identified three ways people can use to deal with them. First is "thought rejection." You reject the negative thoughts by completely ignoring them. You refuse to listen to anything negative your mind tells you. Second is "thought counterattack." You counterattack every negative thought with a positive one. This is the method Thompson practices the most. Third is "repetitive mantra." You block out the negative conversation with a saying that you repeat over and over. Any phrase will do as long as it is positive. HTH. Very best, Hy bakayaru@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: "Bodnar, Stephen A" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:26:22 -0500 Subject: eskrima: animal - sinawalli as far as teaching them to be responsive....... try this 1. take the pattern player 1 stays in the pattern player 2 will handle all strikes from the right with the left and all strikes from the left with the right. 2.player 1 stays in the pattern player 2. all hi strikes with the right all lo strikes with the left. 3. reverse hands on 1 & 2 what happens is you get compleatly messed up cause you try to memorize the pattern instead of paying attention to the perception of what [forehand / backhand] and where its comming from. if your a good player you already have the pattern and your mission is to react to the motion not the pattern. although sinawalli [to weave] are patterns i believe you dont just swing your stick in the pattern like a propeller hopeing to ward off all attacks. rather you use bits and pieces of different patterns to off beat - studder your opponents attack. it is a 2 handed system where by each arm has a job. also another way is to practice the sinawallis is in sword and shield method . meaning get a garbage can lid a small focus pad for the arm and a large football shield. try to block with it on your arm and hit with your other against you patterns. and i hope your patterns arnt all hhhh or LLLL thats not advanced sinawalli. when i say block i really mean hit your opponent with the shield. use the face, the top edge, the bottom, poke a stick through it like a spike. now when your attacked you look to see if there is a pattern to counter but if not you react to the motion and counter with what ever piece of which ever pattern suits ya. its not a total replacement for all out combat ... but i believe if all ya do is fight you lose some of the essence of the art. i want to train in all areas i am lucky enough not to have to fight to live..... so i live to fight. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:03:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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