From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #98 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 6 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 098 In this issue: eskrima: Stop the bank spying law! Re: eskrima: Stop the bank spying law! Re: eskrima: war-page eskrima: Reality Check eskrima: bowser's browsers eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #97 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 eskrima: Dumog/ Grappling eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 eskrima: Sinawali and Largo Mano Twirls eskrima: Re:Quinn/aol eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:36:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Stop the bank spying law! A Howl of Greeting to All: I ask Ray's indulgence, and the Digest's too on this one, and readily grant that the connection to martial arts, let alone FMA is tenuous, but I do believe the matter to be important and, although political, not part of the ongoing Republican/Democrat marital spat. If passed, this IMHO would have genuinely Orwellian consequences. For freedom to die, it is only necessary that the good do nothing. The following was forwarded to me, and I share it with all of you. Please do your part! Please do so immediately so that the website in question can bundle all the info in question and get it to the FDIC in time! Sincerely, Marc F. Denny Subject: Stop the bank spying law! Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:59 AM I'm participating in an Internet campaign to stop a regulation which would require your bank to spy on you, and I'd like to invite you to join me. We now have less than 20 days to contact the FDIC and demand that it kill its proposed "Know Your Customer" rule. Please forward this message to any friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, or other people you know who may be interested, then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the petition. It will be submitted directly to the FDIC. Plus, a copy will be sent to your representative in the U.S. House and to both your U.S. Senators. The FDIC's Know Your Customer rule would force banks to "monitor" your checking and savings account and report any "unusual transactions" to the federal government. This frightening threat to your financial privacy would force your bank to: * Discover your "source of funds" * Determine your "normal and expected transactions" * Report any "suspicious activity" to federal investigators The government claims it is trying to thwart money launderers and drug dealers. But what this law will do is turn every bank teller into a government informer and everyone with a bank account into a criminal suspect. In a free society, the government has no business asking where you get your money or how you spend it -- and politicians have no right to force your bank to monitor your account. But that's exactly what's going to happen, unless we can generate enough opposition before the FDIC's comment period expires on March 8. Outraged Americans have already flooded the FDIC with over 20,000 comments against the Know Your Customer regulation -- but the agency hasn't backed down yet. Let's keep up the pressure. Please forward this e-mail to everyone you know who might be interested in helping, but please don't send it indiscriminately -- spam will only hurt our campaign. Then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the petition. Thank you. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Stop the bank spying law! > I ask Ray's indulgence, and the Digest's too on this one, and readily > grant that the connection to martial arts, let alone FMA is tenuous, but I > do believe the matter to be important and, although political, not part of > the ongoing Republican/Democrat marital spat. If passed, this IMHO would > have genuinely Orwellian consequences. For freedom to die, it is only > necessary that the good do nothing. Ok. But not a single post in reply to this. Others forums exist for these topics. All replies should go directly to Marc F. Denny. Ray (what -does- that F stand for) Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ron Harris Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: war-page > >p.s. Crafty and Ron, now that I know a bit about knife making, I know why > >the scabbards on those barongs don't fit. They fit in the Philippines but > >the wood was fresh. Tropical hardwoods especially should be dried/cured > >for about 3 yrs before worked otherwise they shrink, warp, etc. > >Especially when going from the tropics to the desert (LA). Sorry. > > Same reason I was told in Mactan not to waste my money on the beautiful > guitars made there. Warpage renders them unusable very quickly. > > Jeff "Stickman" Finder > stickman@autobahn.org Jeff, You know that my kamagong sticks are just fine--away from Mindanao. They have the limitations of natural wood, but they are otherwise just fine. My beautiful guitar from Lilang's on Mactan is not warped. There are woods suitable for export. Ebony is one of them. Ron _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:39:10 EST Subject: eskrima: Reality Check In a message dated 3/5/99 7:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I am unfamiliar with the workings of AOL. Is it possible to access this material without being an AOL subscriber - perhaps via the web? >> unfortunately, you have to be a member of AOL to access this message board. And it is one of the sole reasons I keep my AOL account. M. Gardner AMWA http://users.aol.com/taoart/amwa/amwa.htm - A Comprehensive Martial Arts and Self Defense website: With an online bookstore, public bulletin board, articles, and over 1000 links. (yes, we have books by Animal and Peyton listed :) ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:08:12 +0000 Subject: eskrima: bowser's browsers Jeff Stickman wrote: For those who like to browse, there is a great free download oprogram called Webferret, which simultaneously accesses 11 search engines and categorizes the results. Best of it's kind I've found yet ... Don't forget "dogpile" at www.dogpile.com tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:23:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #97 In a message dated 3/5/99 7:32:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: >> Recently Malian wrote: .... in largo mano, you come down and twirl your > > bolo inwards and out impacting with a tight grip at your windows center and > > following with the figure eight into angle two going out twirling > >outwardwards impacting at center with firm grip coming back up and stop and > >go to Modern Arnis's Stick > >form number two....." > > First of all I have to admit that although I studied Modern Arnis for about > 6 months 22 years ago I don't understand what is really being mentioned > here. But, from my knowledge of Largo Mano my thought is twirling and Largo > Mano like oil and water don't mix. If I can twirl my weapon and make > contact with my opponent this means that I am no longer in an effective > Largo Mano range because twirling shortens the distance of contact thus > making me an easier and closer target for my opponent. > > Respectfully, > Al Sardinas > Student of Garimot System of Arnis First of all I love this group most because you really don't bust stones over stupid things like misspelled words. Not only did I misspell Arnis in the first sentence I even did this injustice to my own name, Mallen ; ) I have to say might be right in the context in where you're coming from. In the context I was coming from was that I was trying to reach out to someone wanting to know about twirling. Me, I love twirling and view it as the ultimate in self expression and to many its pretty as hell. As far as doing all that fancy stuff in a combat situation or even while sparring, I would not and don't. For me, it helps to loosen the wrist for situations that do happen in combat and for work on the balisong.To the fellow I responded to about twirling, I found that by practicing this motion with Chucks helps to develop the flow because of the cord or chain and you still maintain a good grip on your weapon. Respectfully, Mallen ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:50:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 In a message dated 3/5/99 11:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > A long long time and several posts ago, someone queried about Dumog. He > didn't get any answers, so I'm re-posting the issue. Are there any > materials out there that address this aspect of FMA? I have the DB > Machado vid and Vunak's vid as well as most of the popular FMA books > available. Is there anything else? GM Remy Presas has several videos on this and if you attend any of his seminars you'll always end up practicing Locks and takedowns off of single sinawalli. Single sinawalli covers most angles of attack in a person's combat window. Someone comes in with an angle three slash, your hand is there for the catch, bring it up for the disarm and to your chest for the Nikyo style arm bar. You want a little Machado style ground work? Throw your right leg over his arm trapping his head and arm crossing the left ankle over you right and sit in tight. Wow, we're in the ever popular triangle choke. I know this is beginner type material used for the purpose of an easy example of how sinawalli can be applied to empty hand combat. If a person gets this stuff down pat, tapi tapi is a piece of cake, for your stick is always where it should be and your thought process is left to baiting like: "the spider to the fly." Mallen ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:32:09 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Dumog/ Grappling Lonnie, Thanks for your reply. I'm open to anything, just looking for info. I think the guy whose post I was referring to specifically mentioned Dumog, but I'd appreciate any and all styles/types. >Just curious, are you looking for information about Dumog in >particular, or >are you open to other styles/types of Filipino Grappling? > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:18:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #96 << Cause I've been looking for a section of telephone/utility pole to make a pseudo Wing Chun Dummy for training. any idea where to start looking? >> I'd stay away from telephone poles. Lots of splinters and cracks. Jim Lowe Jivita@aol.com The Bamboo Price Record http://members.aol.com/fishyarn/pricerecord.html The Pish Page http://members.aol.com/jivita/PishPage.html The Berkeley Eskrima Club http://EkaliArnis/BEC.html ------------------------------ From: "Eddie S. Lastra" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:19:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sinawali and Largo Mano Twirls Mik wrote: > Mr. Lastra... > Hope you didn't take any offense at my play on words, i.e., > "seen-a-wally." Thanks for your informative post. Particularly > reinforcing was ... > No problem Mik. I understood the humor..... Glad you liked my post... > ... this is the way that I've been viewing it but have yet to meet > anyone who teaches or works with it this way. Good teachers of sinawali and doble baston are indeed far and few. > As a result, on my own > I've used various segments of the 6-count (and the La Costa 8-count), > for example, to train flowing from checking/striking or > striking/checking to low-line kicking. Very, very useful approach. > There are natural places for adding shin kicks with the sole of the foot > (sipat?), pushing kicks with the heel, low-to-mid level roundhouse > kicks, sweeps, etc. The side kick can also fit in but in my limited > experience, not as readily as the others (takes more time/maneuvering > than the others). IMHO sir, we would do well to hear more from you and > others with this type of experience. In an Inosanto seminar that I > attended back in '85 Guro Inosanto told us to "add the kick" into > Sombrada (spelling?:-) More people would probably have better success > at doing this if they had experience with working kicks into Sinawali so > that the body patterns become natural, spontaneously flowing. Regarding spelling, the accents of the many different Filipino dialects can have an effect how some words are spelled. "Sipat" might be correct in another dialect, but in the Tagalog dialect it is spelled "Sipa" or "Sikad" from which "Sikaran", the name of the Filipino kick-fighting art is derived. The type of kick you mentioned above sounds like a "Tadyak" or stomp kick. "Sombrada" is Spanish for "shadowing" and is sometimes spelled "Sumbrada". So in order to tell if your spelling is correct you have to ask your teacher which dialect or language the terminology originally came from. With FMA's that can be a chore but at the same time is very worthwhile and interesting because the terminologies often have an added special meaning. Guro Inosanto is definitely a respected authority and expert in the corto styles of escrima and kicks are certainly effective in this range. However, being a largo player I want to point out that in traditional Largo style fighting, kicking is not usually done because the legs are needed for mobility and strategic positioning. A largo player would not want to jeopardize those facilities. Largo strikes are executed with focused heavy power at the tip of the stick. Many years are spent searching and developing the perfect body posture and skeletal alignment to maximize and deliver this energy. This, along with the choice weapon being bahi or kamagong, would really do a number on a shin or foot. So if you want to throw kicks at largo range, be very careful. Al Sardinas wrote: > But, from my knowledge of Largo Mano my thought is twirling and Largo > Mano like oil and water don't mix. If I can twirl my weapon and make > contact with my opponent this means that I am no longer in an effective > Largo Mano range because twirling shortens the distance of contact thus > making me an easier and closer target for my opponent. You're absolutely right. Also, it's rather difficult to twirl a long stick and even if you could do it, the twirling would also rob energy and accuracy from the strike. There is a type of twirl done in largo styles but is executed differently from the wrist generated twirls of corto styles. Respectfully, Eddie S. Lastra Lastra School of Arnis eslastra@jps.net - ---------- ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:30:55 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:Quinn/aol <> Since I do have AOL, I wouldn't know if one could outside of it but I doubt one can since 'community' folders are part of the aol features. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:07:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #98 *************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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