From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #103 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 10 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 103 In this issue: eskrima: sticks and stones eskrima: Re: Plastic Sticks Re: eskrima: Re: Plastic Sticks eskrima: Sundry eskrima: PC Violence eskrima: Basics eskrima: Plastic Sticks eskrima: Plastic Sticks Re: eskrima: Plastic Sticks Re: eskrima: Plastic Sticks eskrima: 7th Generation, found it eskrima: 15 or 16 and interested in blade training? eskrima: Ho from NJ .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bodnar, Stephen A" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:16:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: sticks and stones Lonnie wrote about a back issue of ED that gave different woods and there resistance to swords? i'm really interested in reading that one - can you give a better reference. you said: Gat Puno Abon's artical, and a few months ago ? Also > $.02 worth, something about the smell of burning ratan and the feel that makes rattan woth it. also rattan is more forgiving, dont know about you but I got to work for a living and if i should screw up [and i do] I need my hands,arms and legs to function the next day. Fiberglass, polly's, and hard woods leave a lasting impression... "know what I mean..Vern"? I'm with Ray ... sorry Jeff. ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:15:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Plastic Sticks Ray Terry wrote: > >> If you haven't seen a any of Jeff Finder's sticks, you really >> should. I just got a pair of the Cobras in January and I've been >> very happy with them. They are more rigid and harder than >> rattan, but they also seem to be just about indestructable. > >Well, yes, but with all due respect to Jeff, they just aren't like using >rattan. Sorry, just MHO. In what way? TIA. Dave dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Plastic Sticks > >> If you haven't seen a any of Jeff Finder's sticks, you really > >> should. I just got a pair of the Cobras in January and I've been > >> very happy with them. They are more rigid and harder than > >> rattan, but they also seem to be just about indestructable. > > > >Well, yes, but with all due respect to Jeff, they just aren't like using > >rattan. Sorry, just MHO. > > In what way? Perhaps it is just me... Jeff makes a fine product. But I like rattan. The feel you sense when you hit something, the smell, the resizing capabilities, etc. I also like to build up the grip a bit as 1 inch is a bit too small for my hand, 7/8" is way too small for my hand. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:13:08 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sundry A Howl etc: Re the DB2 vids, James wrote: > so how much of this is valid? > http://www.bloodsport.com/article.htm Answer: The gist of it remains valid. Ingo wrote: >in whenever you stop goofing around and complete the tapes! And concerning >crankiness, I'm cranky about not having seen anything new in years anyway. >Copyright year is what, 1993? You _need_ some pressure from whining >people like me... ;-) You're right! > > Salty Dog, a.k.a. "the Silent Force" of the Council of Elders of the Dog > > Brothers, in his laconic way recently helped clear things up for me on this > > last point. The first series he said, established us as fighters. Let the > > second establish DBMA as a system. There it is! > > > OK, but don't you dare to not include new fighting footage. That's what I > liked most, first instruction and demonstration and then how it looks in > "real life". That was really something new. We are the Dog Brothers and "if you see if taught, you see it fought!" (c) Not to worry-- the second series will have plenty of action. > > > Also, I have heard that Alfred Plath is trying to get Crafty for a first > > > seminar , , , in Germany. Any news on that? > > News to me, but I'm game. > > > I cite from the "El Juramentado" of '99 (Alfred Plath's Eskrima > magazine) on page 38: > "Alfred Plath plant ein Seminar mit "DOG BROTHER" Mitbegruender Mark Denny > in Deutschland. Noch stehen rechtliche Probleme im Raum. Willkommen werden > alle sein die sich ohne Regeln und laestige Schutzausruestung beweisen > wollen." > My translation: > "Alfred Plath plans a seminar with "DOG BROTHER" co-founder Marc Denny in > Germany. Legal problems still have to be dealt with. Everybody who wants > to prove himself without rules and annoying protective gear will be > welcome". > That even sounded to me like a first DB-type gathering in Germany. Which I > would have joined only to enthusiastically cheer, I fear (not only is my > FMA in its infancy, I recently shredded all three ligaments in the > shoulder corner joint [so called Tossy 3] in Judo). Well, as I say, its all news to me. When he's ready no doubt he'll get in touch. I would like to make it very clear however that my philosophy is that EVERYONE is welcome, whether they wish to air it out or not. DBMA is NOT only for those deranged individuals who like to stickfight, it is for EVERYONE. I believe seeing what one is practicing applied to be of considerable value in and of itself and can benefit one's training mightily. I believe that my experience helps me as a teacher. AND we readily understand that actually doing it is not for most people. Hell, I'll go to a knifefighting seminar without wanting to get in a knifefight! Ditto Muay Thai. Woof, Guro Crafty ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:03:25 -0600 Subject: eskrima: PC Violence Animal IMHO you are right on the money hombre. Imagine what those reporters who considered the DB newspiece "barbaric" would be willing to do or condone to eliminate the supposed barbarism. > People who don't realize that they could end up paying for verbal violence > with blood are more likely to become "violent" than those who do. They are far > more likely to fly off the handle than someone who knows that there is a price > tag attached. > I can vouch for this one from past experience ... I've had people fly off at me with apparently no concern for what might happen. One particular case was real scary: young guy approached my wife and I one day to supposedly "take care" of the people who put their wash into a - -public- dryer before his wife could (her stuff was still washing!). The young guy approached, continuously barking at me. I calmly explained the situation to him and suggested that he get -the facts- before going as far as he had in confronting someone. As he continued I got real calm and still seated beside my wife asked the fella to "Just leave us alone, OK?" He approached further, still barking, and I felt like somebody picked me up and I'd grown a few feet, closed AFCK in hand (he couldn't see it). This time when I repeated "Leave us alone!" the whole community could hear it. A little part of me seemed to remain back in the corner of my head watching what was happening ... my attention was solidly focussed on this guy who was standing on lower ground than I. He kept rattling and again I said it "LEAVE ... US ... ALONE!!!" He finally shut up and began to turn away. I guess he felt that he'd shown his wife enough of how tough he was. Before he walked away he said "You looked like you were really going to jump on me or sumthin' man." Duh-h-h-h-hhh, I had high ground and weapon ready. I am ++glad for ALL involved that I didn't jump him ... it was begiining to feel inevitable (we have to watch out for that!!! ...wind up like the street man knifer). A lot of people are out of touch with violence ... they've only know violence in the media, protected lives, y'know? ... like the professor who once told me that "All you have to do to stop a mugging is to look the person firmly in the eyes and speak witha strong voice." On what planet man?!?!! When I heard that he was going to D.C. and was eager to ride the subway I started to suggest an "interesting" route for him to take :-) Actually, I didn't have to ... he got lost and rode the very line to its end ... talk about luck! He got back OK, but I warned him about his new excitement about D.C. The guy could have gotten himself killed. I can see him now, looking the block boys firmly in the eyes and speaking with a strong voice ... sent him a few of the lyrics from Stevie Wonder's "Livin' In the City" to think about. "Wow! New York! Just like I pictured it! Skyscrapers and everythang..." the prof was from Georgia, not Mississippi, but he'd never been outside of Dixie. Given the evolution of our interactions when we had to go to D.C. for a symposium together I wanted to escort him to Anacostia and leave him there ... but I digress ... > It has been my experience that except for a few notable > exception most martial artists don't engage in either verbal or physical > violence without just cause. Maybe because we realize that it could escalate > to physical. > Sounds right to me, but not long ago a supposed master went on a bull rampage on my account, inviting me ... "If you think that your art is better than my art we can go out back in the alley..." Yeah, OK Kimosabe, lead the way [heh-heh]. Didn't go there ... there were two "devotees" there with him. Even if they weren't there I would not do anything unless attacked. I didn't even respond ... just watched him closely. I had more respect for both of us than that and I don't like trouble. > Don't buy this superiority trip by so-called PCers or pacifists that what they > do isn't violent. They just don't want to get their hands dirty, so they hire > others to do that kind of work for them. > Another side to this: consider that Right to Self Defense thing I mentioned ... it covered/covers the right to use firearms and other weapons in self defense. The PCers would want to defeat such a bill. If they were to succeed in doing so they would be the architects of all violence (assault, rape, murder) committed against those who might otherwise have used a firearm (or other weapon) in self defense but could not legally do so -- or believed that they could not legally do so ... or who suffered prison after doing injury or worse to a perp of those types of crime. Avowed pacifists are sometimes the first to react with highly emotional "inappropriate" violent intentions. Disagree with'em and all of a sudden you've got a "born killer" on your hands. Because they're out of touch with what violent conflict, pain and death are about, IMHO they're more likely to start fights and wars than generals like Colin Powell & Norman Schwartzkopff ... Once knew a tough old man who told me: "I'm like God, I don't like violence." Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:10:15 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Basics > One final thought is that the most complicated piece of music consists of > basic notes and could not exist without them. > Sounds like a solid vote for drilling basics. Most of my teachers have echoed the advice to "work your basics." Can we find anything worth being done that doesn't benefit from the development and maintenance of strong basics? I remember Rick Faye once saying that in watching stick fights the lesser experienced fighters would go out and warm up with all kinds of fancy stuff ... more experienced, older guys would just shake the sticks a bit, then go out and whomp the others. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:17:02 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Plastic Sticks Guro Finder's various stick models are definitely a good investment. If slipperiness is a problem, try silicone tape. I found a type of tape that sticks to itself that does the job very well ... also dampens some of the shock of impact. The tape is available from Modern Farmer (yep) and comes in orange and black. Definitely a good wrap for a handle on sticks. I put it on rattan sticks as well. Now I should never be guilty of "Flying Stick" again :-) The tape wrap plus glove is real cool. Be well, Mik Note: You can probably get Modern Farmer's 800 number from the 800 directory service, 1-800-555-1212. Next time that I get a catalog from them I'll post their number (sorry, I ain't no farmuh so I ain't got much reason to keep de catalog aroun'). ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:24:38 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Plastic Sticks Hey, just wondering re: plastic sticks. Doesn't it make sense to train with something that is not like rattan? If we ever have to use an "expedient" weapon, will it be made of rattan? I think someone has already covered this, i.e., pick up a pipe and it will be very different from rattan in weight, impact dampening, etc. Looking at this from "zero-point" here, that is, in favor of neither rattan nor composites/plastics. What say? Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:33:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Plastic Sticks > Guro Finder's various stick models are definitely a good investment. If > slipperiness is a problem, try silicone tape. I found a type of tape > that sticks to itself that does the job very well ... also dampens some > of the shock of impact. The tape is available from Modern Farmer (yep) > and comes in orange and black. Definitely a good wrap for a handle on > sticks. I put it on rattan sticks as well. Now I should never be > guilty of "Flying Stick" again :-) The tape wrap plus glove is real > cool. Yep, but from what Jeff said these 'add ons' can hamper the chemical makeup of the stick and should not be used. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:35:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Plastic Sticks > Hey, just wondering re: plastic sticks. Doesn't it make sense to train > with something that is not like rattan? If we ever have to use an > "expedient" weapon, will it be made of rattan? Yep, I agree. Always good to occasionally try the basics with a variety of 'weapons'. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:47:13 -0600 Subject: eskrima: 7th Generation, found it "In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations." From the Great Law of the Iroquois Confederacy Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Joe Tesoro Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:46:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: 15 or 16 and interested in blade training? > >From: "J H" >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:57:54 PST >Subject: eskrima: Instructors in the Wisconsin Area > I have a 15 or 16 year old friend that is interested in some blade >oriented training in the Wisconsin area. Does anyone know of any >KDM/knife instructors that teach( minors) in that neck of the woods? > > Thanks! > >Fry Bread Boy > >______________________________________________________ > Hi FBB, Just a quick question for you that popped in my head as soon as I read this. Has anyone ever thought about why a 15 or 16 year old be interested in blade (oriented) training. I think I may misinterpreting your statement. Is it the blades he is interested in, or the blade-oriented part that he is interested in? With all the exposure to the "popular" MA's (done by the famous actors, JCVD,SS,BL), I'm curious as to why he would be interested in FMA. Those are the things I think I would ask a teenager wanting to join my class. Please don't misunderstand my intention of the question. I'm just relating it to when I was 16 and wanted to take a MA. I took TKD becuase of all the exposure. I wanted to do all the high-spinning kicks so that I could impress everyone. I hadn't even heard of FMA then. Heck when I was 15 all I was interested in was chasing girls, and couldn't wait until I was 16 so I could drive (and chase girls faster) :) :) Hope that creates some thought, Joe T jct.jr@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:28:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Ho from NJ Hello from New Jersey. 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