From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #104 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 11 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 104 In this issue: eskrima: Baby's and Harimau Silat eskrima: Baby eskrima: Re:DBMAA and stuff eskrima: Under/Over estimating people eskrima: Silicone Tape on Jegofi Sticks eskrima: The Right of Self Defense eskrima: Dog Brothers Seminars eskrima: Re: Puter eskrima: fear no man eskrima: Holyfield v. Lewis eskrima: Speaking from experience eskrima: resizing? eskrima: tape on sticks [none] Re: eskrima: resizing? eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:40:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Baby's and Harimau Silat Gee, the elusive Richard DeBordes shows his head at Cass' school. I am interested but tired and 3000 miles away. Congratulations Marc and Cindy!! When you are down in Florida this summer, my Cindy and I give instructions on home birth with a midwife. This takes heart, mind, and balls... Anyway......the best,....Tom Furman....tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:51:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Baby > Congratulations Marc and Cindy!! When you are down in Florida this summer, my > Cindy and I give instructions on home birth with a midwife. This takes heart, > mind, and balls... I think the balls already did their part... :) My best to Crafty and PrettyKitty. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:49:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:DBMAA and stuff Woof! I want to say Congrats to Marc and Cindy on their upcoming new arrival..I guarantee it bro things will never be the same :) I also want to say Congrats for getting DBMAA off the ground, my check is in the mail, can't wait for the patch, I am putting it on my BJJ GI. On the DBMAA teachers page (I have received private email on this) I am listed as an Apprentice Teacher in material through 1996. What this means is that I have been unable to get together with Marc and go through the material he wants taught as part of DBMAA....Marc has given me an opportunity to get current, but life being what it is I have not had the time. This is part of DBMA's quality control. But I can teach the material up until 1996, and its some damn good stuff. I like teaching basics and Dog Brother basics are some pretty advanced concepts. There it is. Woof! Alvis W. Solis awsolis@aol.com Hound Dog! http://www.serve.com/solis/ ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:53:01 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Under/Over estimating people Well I am snowed in again, so much for the global warming crap!! So I guess I'll do some posting, haven't got anyone mad for a while!!! The other day a friend/student came into the club and after looking at myself, with the Tank Abbot type of physique, belly and all, George Darish, a ( Bukti Negara ) instructor with a permanent forward lean due to years of pounding and slamming, Dan a ( jujitsu instructor, aka Knocka knees ) from having his knees blown out more time than he can remember, and my top student Hal ( CDM instructor ) limping with a bad hip, he commented on how no one would ever think that we were fighters. Well unfortunately this is a very serious problem that many a students have, there is a common belief that you need a Bruce Lee Physique to be a good fighter. While I do a gree that taking care of one's body is part of the arts, it has very little to do with real fighting. Note: knit pickers I said real fighting, sparing is a different thing. Back when I was about 19 or 20 I went down to the Kronk Gym to get some hand work done, when I got there an old friend of my dad's ( Mexi ) asked me if I would like to go a few rounds with this guy. So being cocky I said sure what the hell. Well this guy gets in the ring he has a deformed left shoulder or something and his chest was kind of sunk in, he looked like a cross between an Ethiopian and Quasimoto. First thing I think " man this guy needs to think about a different profession". Here I am 180 lbs, rock hard ( no pun intended ) I could run and train for ever. So the 1st round we meet about half way exchanging jabs, about 1 minute into the round I try to land a double 1 & 4 combo, well off of my 2nd jab he slipped under rolled over the top and threw what had to be the hardest left hook ever thrown in the history of the world!!! He hit me so hard that I saw the wall behind me then I saw him, then I saw the wall behind me again. And for the first and only time in my life I went down, face first which was really weird since I fell on my back!! I spent the next three rounds trying to pretend I wasn't hurt and trying to keep Quassi from killing me. I spent the next 3 days answering telephones that weren't ringing. When I got outta the ring I asked Mexi what the hell he was trying to do to me , he said " teach you a lesson many champions don't learn until its to late. well ever since then I don't under estimate anyone or anything. Just like drills and sinawalli's if you think a drill is just a drill than you have failed, not the drill, tear apart you sinawalli's and drills find out how they work and how they can apply to reality, good drills do not create bad habits. And although I usually agree with the Crafty One and I like his Moto" if you see it taught you see it fought" but!! and I am sure he does this, their are some drills that are designed for balance or timing or the like, and only elements of the drill are used in reality.So you really don't see them when fighting. This is the problem I have with BLW's ( Bruce Lee worshipers ) a few years ago on the digest we had a rather lengthy discussion of throwing out what is useless, which is a fine thing to do as long as you know what your throwing out and haven't under estimated its value. So before you go emptying that cup, why not just get a bigger one. Lastly I am the youngest of the above mentioned instructors, and probably the only one that can do something about his situation, being my weight, even though it seems like nothing works. The others are all in their 50s and past their competing primes. However I have discovered even in myself and more so in them something that my father always said. Even though they may not spar for hours like they use to, now they understand fighting more than they ever did. They know what they have to do and do it, they would never under estimate an opponent nor would they ever over estimate themselves. Over estimating ones ability has led to many an ass whoop'ns. Rocky Pasiwk ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:00:36 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Silicone Tape on Jegofi Sticks > > The tape wrap plus glove is real cool. > > Yep, but from what Jeff said these 'add ons' can hamper the chemical makeup > of the stick and should not be used. > What say ye Stickman? Have you seen the type of tape that I'm talking about? I've had one end of all of my sticks wrapped for about 8 months now ... is there any reason for me to expect problems? There is NO ADHESIVE involved, i.e., remember, the tape only sticks to itself (then loses what negligible tackiness it might have -- really not tacky, just glossy, which becomes flat). I REALLY like working with the sticks this way ... much more control. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:28:03 -0800 Subject: eskrima: The Right of Self Defense A Howl of Greeting to All: Well, the secret is out-- Animal can not have been hit in the head with baseball bats as much as he pretends, and his most cogent commentary is the proof! >you can see a rather > interesting twist on the hero in the media. PCers love nothing more than to > listen to their own voices. Have you noticed that the current crop of he-men > fighting for what is right are lawyers? Yep, that manly man stud swaggers into > the court room and with his briefs a blazing, he defeats the armies of evil, > corruption and greed. Yahoo, what a convienent way to stop wrongs without > getting your hands dirty. Speaking as a retired attorney-- Right on! The problem here is often that the solution imposed by the court is violent not only to logic but also to the freedom of the rest of us. > I know this is seemingly off topic Ray, but I do feel it affects us in the > martial arts as many people would love to put a glass ceiling on so-called > violence. Unfortunately most people's definition of violence is "anything > beyond what I am comfortable with in order to win." Some of the most violent > people I have ever met have never thrown a punch in their lives. Yes! > In fact, many are avowed pacifists. Knowing the true definition of violence is of critical > import when we encounter such a person trying to control us through their own > convienent definition of what is and isn't violence. , , , , , > Notice that only one of those definitions has to do with purely physical > application. > > Don't buy this superiority trip by so-called PCers or pacifists that what they > do isn't violent. They just don't want to get their hands dirty, so they hire > others to do that kind of work for them. Yes, yes, and yes. You can't be a pacifist and believe in having police and/or a military. A story: A friend and I were having lunch in a neighborhood restaurant, and the table next to us had three people. When they were done, they asked for the check and one of them walked over and handed it to my friend and I. "What are you doing?" I asked. "Oh," he said, "We had a vote and you're paying." Now, as a free man I can tell him to kiss my behind, but if he is the government, they will take my money and property and jail or shoot me if I resist. Government is force, and progress is the increase of human interaction based upon voluntary interaction, calling the expansion of government "progressive" is positively Orwellian. Mik wrote: > I'm going to look up that Citizen's Right to Self Defense Act/Bill and > post relevant info. We need legislation like this (and good lawyers to > support us if we ever need to cite it). I look forward to it. In my opinion, Mik and Animal have opened a very important subject. Although not FMA as such, I do believe it fits within the hierarchy of subjects given as fit for this Digest and I hope Ray will allow a thread to develop. Of course, it will help if all of us remember to explore this area TOGETHER calmly, with reason and with respect of others expression. As a starting point, I offer the following: Ultimately, martial arts is the study of how to deal with aggression; that of others, and that within us. I posit that when government acts to defend us from attack, to defend the weak from being preyed upon by the strong and immoral, then it lessens violence-- and when it acts to impose what the majority, the factions of Washington, and whatever elites think is a "good idea", then it increases violence. And the more rules, the less respect for the rule of law. Today's Wall Street Journal reported that the IRS "help line" gives the wrong advice 15% of the time and that if you follow it, you are responsible. Of course. The US today has perhaps the largest percentage of its population in prison of any country on earth. Our closest competition in this regard is(was?) the Soviet Union and South Africa. Depending on the statistics, some 30-45% of those in prison are there for drug crimes,, many of them for marijuana. Is it not violent to throw someone in prison, perhaps to be anally raped by violent criminals for his chosen form of mood altering? This has nothing to do with whether one agrees with it or not. He is not being violent to us, yet we the society are being violent to him. The violence of the so-called "War on Drugs" has led to major corruption of formerly honest police and hostile interactions between the police and many non-white communities-- not that whites do drugs less, just that the War on Drugs seems to be enforced more and harder in non-white communities. It has led to an extraordinary expansion of forfeiture law (you own some land, someone plants pot on it, government confiscates it even if you didn't and couldn't have known , , , woman loses car because her husband uses it to solicit a hooker -- this one went all the way to the Supreme Court, , , NYC now wants to confiscate cars of those ARRESTED for drunken driving). And then there are the nanny laws-- If you cannot be allowed to decide for yourself whether to wear a seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet, how on earth can you "allowed" to have the tools with which to defend yourself?!? I posit that it is the nature of government to seek to increase its power, and that as part of this it seeks to eliminate competition. Self-defense is the primal core of being responsible for yourself. If your right to defend yourself is denied (e.g. criminals have guns, but you may not) then you become the lamb who must lay down with the lion-- and this lasts only as long as the lion is not hungry! Depending on the zookeeper, the government, is all that such a vision of life allows. If we are denied the right to self-defense (and in great and growing measure our right is increasingly being denied), then we are not free and we are not responsible. The Orwellian drivel amuck in the land that vitiates holding people responsible for what they do, (today's paper reports a lawsuit of Oliver Stone for his "Natural Born Killers" for causing a killing spree being permitted) also places fear in the hearts of those whose nose is interfering with the swinging arms of the irresponsible-- a fear of being swallowed by the gaping maw of a legal system that was once the envy of the world and is now instead an unpredictable Kafkaesque morass. We make jokes about lawyers, but the real reason we have so many is that we have so many laws! Can we, this Digest, come up with a cogent, pithy statement of principles in this regard? To start with, I suggest that there is a Constitutional right to self-defense found in the Ninth Amendment- the one that says that all rights of the people not otherwise enumerated remain retained anyway. In other words, the Constitution is not a complete list. Thus for example, it was in the Ninth, that the Supremes found the right to privacy. Judge Bork, the victim of much unfair ad hominem attack in the mid 80s, was properly turned down by the Senate for the Supreme Court IMHO because he did not find anything of substance in the ninth-- which violates the basic principle of statutory interpretation that says that laws shall not be read so as to be meaningless. If there is a right to privacy in the ninth, surely there too is a right to self-defense. I would also posit that for the right to be meaningful, that citizens should not be less armed than criminals. I would also posit that the legal standards applied to self-defense should be knowable. That's for starters. Your thoughts people? Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:42:04 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dog Brothers Seminars A Howl of Greeting to All: Well, before my Pretty Kitty gets too far along I'll be hitting the road for some seminars: May 29-30 England: List member Richard Killick will have details June 5-6 Alicante Spain: Host: Alfonso Acosta Gil June 12-13 New York City, NY: Host: "Dog" Nick Sacoulas/ List member/(718)-461-0700 June 19-20 Florida: Host: Hilton Yam More details to follow; Cindy should have more info on the seminar page of the website in the next few days. Woof Guro Crafty DBIMA ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:06 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Puter >I believe there's supposed to be two ways to do Peuter Kepala (one turns him >clockwise and the other counterclockwise), but it's been a while since I've done >Maphilindo so I can't remember the counter-clockwise version. Well, there are multiple variations but one counterclockwise is you've entered outside, you've got a hold of their punching arm with your same side arm (their right, your right) your other (left) hand is in their face, push back on their forehead (being nice) and turn out (counterclockwise in this example) to take them down. If you can pull it off by this "word" explanation you've had to have seen it before :) Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:12:56 +0000 Subject: eskrima: fear no man Medicine Man Mik wrote: "All you have to do to stop a mugging is to look the person firmly in the eyes and speak witha strong voice." On what planet man?!?!! It works well if you say firmly (and without losing eye contact) the following: "PLEASE, take my wallet. And my watch." Sorry....:) tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:38:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Holyfield v. Lewis Yip: Any predictions for this Saturday's heavyweight unification bout between Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis? Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:06:14 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Speaking from experience >Fiberglass, polly's, and hard woods leave a lasting >impression... "know what I mean..Vern"? >I'm with Ray ... sorry Jeff. Fiberglass and heavy hardwoods, yes. Plastics can be more forgiving. For the record, I've had several bones broken in my hand by rattan, and one wrist hit that numbed the nerves to 3 fingers for 6 months, all with rattan. I've never had as bad an injury from my plastics, and that's now 9 years of training with them. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:11:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: resizing? >Jeff makes a fine product. But I like rattan. The feel you sense when you >hit something, the smell, the resizing capabilities, etc. I also like to >build up the grip a bit as 1 inch is a bit too small for my hand, 7/8" is >way too small for my hand. Agreed rattan is nice. Just expensive if you have to replace it often, which happens with hard training (there was a time I went through a stick per day, about 8 hours training). As for resizing .... ??? You certainly can build up the grip on plastics. In fact, we were doing that with my sticks before I saw it become popular on rattan. We've used tape, tennis raquet grips, BMX bicycle grips ... I also make 1" sticks, so it isn't necessary to use 7/8", and 1" builds up faster. BTW, I'm nearly 6' tall with fairly long fingers, and I like 7/8". It's very subjective, isn't it? Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:30:04 -0800 Subject: eskrima: tape on sticks >Yep, but from what Jeff said these 'add ons' can hamper the chemical makeup >of the stick and should not be used. I haven't had problem with tape. Some people have painted sticks, and applying paint or similar chemicals can cause reactions that weaken them. I doubt if tapes have enough chemical to have a solvent effect. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:36:12 -0000 Subject: [none] Silly me! forgot to mention the triple side flip that allows the room to get the left elbow in and then the cartwheel back to the position required. lol Damn, these left and rights are still confusing! ; ) From: "David W. Fulton Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:17:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Dumog Patrick Davies you wrote: > This sounds like one of the basic combinations from Guro Inosanto's Maphilindo Silat system, except it seems to me that your right elbow is the one that would connect with their chin as you turn. pat ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:43:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: resizing? > Agreed rattan is nice. Just expensive if you have to replace it often, > which happens with hard training (there was a time I went through a stick > per day, about 8 hours training). As for resizing .... ??? You certainly > can build up the grip on plastics. In fact, we were doing that with my > sticks before I saw it become popular on rattan. We've used tape, tennis > raquet grips, BMX bicycle grips ... I also make 1" sticks, so it isn't > necessary to use 7/8", and 1" builds up faster. My personal fav is Tool Dip. > BTW, I'm nearly 6' tall > with fairly long fingers, and I like 7/8". It's very subjective, isn't it? Yep. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:51:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #104 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.