From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #107 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 12 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 107 In this issue: eskrima: fry bread boy eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106, Rape eskrima: Re: enjoying rape?!! & Tool Dip 'n Sticks eskrima: No "smoke -n- mirrors" eskrima: From Tuhon Bill eskrima: The Denny soapbox eskrima: Michigan Cops eskrima: revenooers eskrima: busting rattan eskrima: Rocky's Q's, etc eskrima: Words eskrima: Guro Dan Inosanto eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106 eskrima: Women and Self Defense eskrima: smoke and mirrors eskrima: Growth Hormone Re: eskrima: Re: enjoying rape?!! & Tool Dip 'n Sticks eskrima: Back to FMA... .......................................................................... 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:44:03 EST Subject: eskrima: fry bread boy <<** Does anyone know how or where to get any sampalog or pastilla's( pilipino kind) in the San Francisco/ South Bay area?>>FBB nice try fry bread.... asking a WEKAF related question then subtlely dropping this tidbit in....heh. Only on a Pinoy list.... ;) - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106, Rape I have worked in sexual assault recovery for over twenty year. Rape should not and can be enjoyed. Any advice to "lay back and enjoy it" only shows the blatant ignorance and lack of compassion by the instructor saying it. Victims feel bad enough when they go passive to survive. Don't add to an already damaging experience. Lynn Seiser PhD MFCC Tenshinkai Aikido/Lucaylucay Kali ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:32:58 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: enjoying rape?!! & Tool Dip 'n Sticks The "Stickman" wrote: > >>Man, I couldn't believe my ears a few months ago when a so-called >>martial arts instructor said "If a woman is being raped, she should just >>lay back and enjoy it." > > Aside from the beating the woman takes, consider the potential for the >rapist to kill his victim! This is terrorism, pure and simple. What part >of it is for her enjoyment? Whatever else E-D members might think of >feminism, this kind of pre-feminist attitude is crap. As someone who helped teach women's self defense/rape prevention & volunteered for the Safe Passage Program (guys who volunteer to escort girls around campus after dark) while in college, I can't find the words to describe how much I despise hearing comments like: "If a woman is being raped, she should just lay back and enjoy it.". Toss that bum in cell with a couple of "lifers" and see if he feels the same way. I suspect he won't feel the same way about anything...ever! I always hoped those girls at the self defense/rape prevention seminars would never need to use any of it, but must confess a certain amount of satisfaction at hearing that one of "our girls" beat off a would be rapist. LEO's were waiting with open arms (and cuffs :o) when the ER doctor finished stitching up the dirt bag's face & throat. I think Hamurabhi's (sp?) Code sums it up best. If a man steels, cut off his hand... Rant mode off! Sorry. And Ray wrote: > >> Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried using tool dip on rattan sticks? If >> so, what were the results? > >Yes! I love it. Did you dip the whole stick or just the grip? If so, how did you do it (you need an end by which to hold & hang the stick)? Does it make the rattan last longer? I'm betting that those sticks pack quite a wallop too. Probably not the best choice for sparring huh, assuming of course that you want like your sparring partners ;o) Btw, where do you get the stuff? Thanks, Dave dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: Lonnie Pollard Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: No "smoke -n- mirrors" >Sounds like magic to me... Nirvana! Someone understands what I'm getting at, or so it seems, and that reaction is EXACTLY what would be expected from an intelligent mind. Great response. But the beauty of largo mano is that there is absolutely NO magic or mystical anything involved. No smoke or mirrors either. It took me a long time to figure out what was going on with this largo mano stuff, and as I've said before, I originally myself thought there had to be one of two things: tricks or magic, and as I said, I don't believe in magic so was trying to figure out where the tricks were. But I eventually learned there were no tricks. Anyone can do it once they learn the concepts and get skilled in the application. In the early stages I couldn't get it at all. We'd all square up as partners and then test the first stage of development. I'd get frustrated because I couldn't reach my partner yet he could reach me. Gat Puno Abon would walk over and tell me to do some seemingly insignificant thing, such as turn your left ______ this way about ___ degrees, and I'd try it and suddenly the tables were turned and I was the one able to reach. Then he'd tell my partner to do some other seemingly insignificant thing and suddenly the tables were turned back. With the most subtle of things, he could swing the advantage back and forth from one person to the other. It is childs play to him because he is so skilled in largo mano (again, not the common meaning of the term largo mano, but the "Garimot" meaning). No "smoke -n- mirrors". Everything adds up mathematically, once you know how to analyze the angles. It is no more magic than fire, the wheel, levers, pulleys, joint locks, or any technological or scientific advancement/discovery. 100% natural. It is a part of natural law. It is learned as a science and then is applied as an art. This largo mano has proven itself in combat and in unpadded competition for a very long time in the Laguna region. Interestingly, when Gat Puno Abon was young he knew inside that his father's victoriousness in combat was due to his martial skill, yet outside of the family people insisted that his father's ability must be due to superior Anting Anting. Gat Puno Abon, as a child, was so offended by this that when it was his turn to choose what part of the family art he wanted to learn, he told his father that he wanted to learn it all. Everything. Except Anting Anting. He told his father that he didn't want anything to do with Anting Anting. He had a deep aversion toward anything mystical. He started entering unpadded competitions at sixteen years of age and went about proving that he could win without anything mystical but rather relying on martial skill, and for the next eight years in unpadded competition he was never defeated. He said that he could tell by an opponents movements in the pre-fight dance if they were trying to rely on Anting Anting, and in such cases right before beginning the fight he would look the person in the face, smile, and say: it's not working. That's all I can say for now. The response I quoted at the start of this post was great. Maybe there's hope that I'll eventually be able to get across at least a little of what I'm trying to say. Best wishes again, Lonnie (a student of the "Garimot" system of Arnis) ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:03:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: From Tuhon Bill I just got back from seminars in L.A. at Guro Inosanto's and Hawaii (a blast!!!) and found a lot of interesting stuff on E.D. First a few quick notes on the west coast seminars: The L. A. seminar: The seminar was on Solo Baston Segedas. We spent day one working on 12 largo and 12 medio range entries and day two working on 12 corto range entries to chokes and neck brakes. Working with Guro Dan is always a pleasure. He sets a good example for us when he shows that one of the most knowledgeable and well known martial arts instructors teaching today, is also one of the most humble and giving. Is this one of the secrets to his longevity in the field? It takes a teacher with good technique to get people into a school, but it takes a teacher with a good heart to keep them there. Marc (Crafty Dog) Denny attended for several hours each day and as usual had many insightful questions and comments (and a few one liners that kept me in stitches). After viewing the nightly news in L.A. for a week, I told the people there that I would be glad to get back to New York where it was safe. The Hawaii seminar: We worked on the three sets of Solo Baston Contradas. The first set of 12 techniques involves several machinegun like strikes for each of the opponent's. The second set of 12 involves techniques against multiple opponents using evasive footwork to set the opponents up for counter attack. The third set of 12 involves quick, close quarter entries into joint breaks. No surprise that everyone had a great time in Honolulu. A word of warning though to anyone contemplating holding a seminar there. My contact in Hawaii approached the University of Hawaii about using their space for the seminar last September and was told that approval for all four days would be forthcoming. By October, he was again told approval would be "in a few days". After several meetings with University staff, he was finally told in early February that only three of the four days I wanted would be approved. When I asked for a fax confirming the dates my contact's people were given the run around for several weeks. It finally took me making a nuisance of myself with several phone calls to University staff to get a fax sent to me (coming in just two days before I left for Guro Inosanto's!), only to find that they were now allowing me the use of the room for only two days. In looking around for an alternate location we heard from several sources that last minute cancellations by the U of H were not unusual, so be warned before you do business with them. We ended up holding two days of the seminar right on the beach in the morning and under a huge banyon tree in a park when the sun got too hot in the afternoon. Not a bad way to train and we had a great time despite the lack of courtesy from the U of H. This was my third trip to Hawaii and I fall in love with the place each time I go. Train in the daytime, swim in the Pacific in the afternoon, Luau at night, life is good. Double Baston asymmetrical drills: Here is an excerpt from the teaching sheet I use for Doble' Basics. 11 of the 12 drills on it are asymmetrical. BASIC DOBLE' PATTERNS: (many patterns are first taught in a 6 count, but called an "8" because you will add this count latter) 1. Broken 6 (1, #1 umbrella - 4, 1) 2. Upper 8 (1, 2, 2) 3. Lower 8 (1, 4, 4, 2) 4. Reverse 8 (3, 4, 4) 5. Vertical cuts (fluid, vertical strikes based on upper 8) 6. 9-8 Thrusts (like upper 8 but with thrusts) 7. Florette' 8 8. Opening X 9. Closing X 10. Fluid Attacks (power attacks in which a backhand sets up a crushing forehand) 11. Witiks, Punyos and Reverse Grip in upper and lower 8 12. Double Cuts 1 to 12 (both sticks simultaneously follow the pattern of the Solo Baston Abcedario set 1). DRILLS: (all of which are vs. patterns 1 to 6 from above). 1. Mirror image (you do the same pattern as your partner - training wheels phase). 2. Reverse drills (2 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2 etc) Footwork helps you cut from behind. 3. Solo vs. Doble' (you'll break the pattern by going into Solo Baston for a few beats during a Doble' drill. 4. Thrusts and scoops 5. Florette' 6. Opening X 7. Closing X 8. Reverse grip 9. Break in, Break out 10. Fluid Attack 11. Witiks and punyos (with witiks you are doubling the timing by inserting a witik between strikes and with punyos you are intercepting his strike with a punyo). 12. Double cuts (you are using both sticks together in the same strike to counter hit). Disarms come next in PT Doble' and are by nature asymmetrical to the basic patterns. In Contradas you are using several strikes for each of your opponent's, so these too are asymmetrical. In Recontras you are using entries into takedowns, so these also are asymmetrical. Chokes vs. multiple opponents: Since we were working on stick chokes in the L.A. seminar (and the empty hand versions of the same chokes and brakes) the subject came up of chokes in multiple opponent situations. I showed what I considered one viable use. I showed a technique from PT in which you deliver a limb destruction then get into a standing rear choke on the opponent, but instead of using the inside of your elbow to support your choking arm, you brace your hand against the back of your own neck. This leaves one hand free to draw a knife, put it against your opponent's kidney to use him as a blocker and back your way out of there. Interestingly, Guro Dan said that this neck supported position is common in Malay grappling and showed the same position in a leg lock. This position leaves one hand free and allows the use of the stronger back muscles for the lock. Yo-Yos: One night after class at Guro Inosanto's he showed some techniques for the yo-yo. One thing I found especially interesting was that the yo-yo was often used attached to a small palm stick or knife. The yo-yo was used as a grapple or garrote against an arm, the arm then pinned against the neck using the neck as a pulley and the palm stick or knife going to the throat. One or both arms could be pinned and the throat could be garroted from different angles in combination with the arm pins. Having the yo-yo tied to the middle of a palm stick (or a pen) seemed a lot more practical in a fight than the way one would loop it around a finger for play (quick release if needed). I do a lot of flying, often to countries were obvious weapons are a big no-no, so I find myself increasingly on the lookout for "non-weapon" weapons. You can pick up a mini yo-yo at a toy store that's about the size of a quarter, load it up with 80 lbs. test kevlar fishing line (small diameter), attach it to a bic pen and have a decent "better than nothing" non-weapon weapon. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath WWW.PEKITI-TIRSIA.COM P.S. Congratulations to Poppa Crafty! P.P.S. Does anyone have Rick Faye's address? The one I pulled off the web turned out to be out of date. ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:37:56 -0800 Subject: eskrima: The Denny soapbox Greetings, Last issue Jon Marinez wrote "For those who doubt this, just look at how this digest has steadily become the Marc Denny Non-FMA Soapbox." Having known Mr. Denny for quite a while I feel I should point out his applications and studies in the FMA have always been his personal soapbox for manifesting his political and personal beliefs. So his latest posts are in fact FMA related , you just have to know Marc to appreciate it. And you do bring up an excellent point which is that by trying to establish a credo of sorts for the Eskrima digest that Marc may be creating exactly the monster that he is trying to kill..... Tom Meadows tmeadows@fix.net ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:30:22 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Michigan Cops Greetings, Last issue Rocky Pasiwak wrote" Here in Michigan to police that I have owned at one time or another have told me that they average 2 to 3 dozen tickets a day." And just out of curiosity, what does it cost to own a cop in Michigan? If it is cheaper than buying a California cop, maybe I'll move.... TomMeadows tmeadows@fix.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:55:44 -0800 Subject: eskrima: revenooers >this is why I no longer refer to them as police or Leos >but rather Revenue generators Exactly! Look at the spate of new laws in the past year, from Oakland to NYC, where cops confiscate the cars (to sell for profit) of those ARRESTED, not even tried or convicted, of misdemeanor crimes! This puts the financial interests of the cops ahead of legal principle, no different really from shaking down shop owners or passersby. I watched an NYC lawyer on the news last night insisting that this unreviewed law was 100% constitutional! Sick, sick, sick! It makes it hard to make fun of law-for-profit gangster cops in underdeveloped 3rd world countries ... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:07:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: busting rattan > Ok back to FMA Jeff please explain to me how you train. As I have >mentioned before, not trying to be disrespectful here, but how do you go >thru a pair of sticks in one day. Do you guys do a lot of sinwalli type >of drills and smash the sticks together constantly, or use skinned or >light sticks. I don't train like this now, but back in '89, when training to go to the Philippines, I was working out at least 8 hours a day (for maybe 2 months). I was using fire hardened rattan, about 1" thick, with skin. I did a lot of contact work, including hitting a heavy bag, a 6x6 wooden post, and an oak mook jong embedded in my back yard, and full contact sparring 2-3 training partners wearing WEKAF headgear. No sinawalli, but we warmed up with lots of lock and block (one feeds, one defends) and counter for counter (sumbrada) done hard and fast. My sticks got more use in a day back then than they do in a month right now. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:57:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Rocky's Q's, etc RE: previous post on busting rattan - if it wasn't clear, this was all single stick. That's the main training in Serrada, and what I was preparing for in the RP, so I was chewing up 1 stick daily. Some sticks maybe lasted 2, even 3 days, but sometimes I'd have to toss a stick after only a couple of hours. Part of this could be the firing of the sticks. Sometimes they get harder, sometimes they get brittle and shred quickly. Very hard to gauge the effects until put to the test ... >Also a question for some of you herbal and vitamin wizards out there >does anyone do anything about HGH human growth hormone, many weight >lifters take it , its like $150.00 for 16 oz bottle, what's it do, is >it dangerous. I have heard that there is a potential link between HGH and prostate cancer, particularly in older individuals. You are stimulating growth in areas that are otherwise content as-is. I don't know if different formulas have different effects in this area, and it isn't a clearly established link, but if the payoff for being lean and mean is dying a couple of decades early, nada for me. BTW, one "hidden" side effect of prohormones (at least stuff stronger than DHEA) can be elevated cholesterol, which I've only seen mentioned once in a magazine. If you do this stuff, it would be a good idea to get tested first to establish your baseline, then follow up after about a month. Maybe one of the chem boys can explain the cascade effects better. > With Gat Puno Abon sometimes when he asks me it looks as though > he's even almost close enough to punyo, yet when I extend the stick I > discover that even if I lean toward him the stick still misses him by an > inch. Yet he easily reaches out and taps me on the head even though I >have a natural reach advantage over him. Sometimes he even does it with >the free hand side in the lead position, and yet he still reaches me while >I can't reach him, and it is something that must be experienced to be >bekieved. Sounds like magic to me... Exactly how I felt with Angel, especially when learning low crossing strikes like #'s 3 & 4. He was so close, but I couldn't reach him. Quoting Robert Heinlein as closely as memory allows, "Any technology that is not understood is indistinguishable from magic." Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:28:38 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Words A Howl of Greeting to All: Jon Martinez wrote: > With some minor snippage, MD wrote , , , , , , , , , , , > What? Now you want this digest, which, as an assembly of people gathered > for a common purpose, is a government of sorts, to start making more rules > for us to follow..."a pithy statement of principles" is just the thin edge > of the sword, and will eventually become "general guidelines of behavior", > then "voluntary" rules, then...well, it's just to horrible to ponder! For > those who doubt this, just look at how this digest has steadily become the > Marc Denny Non-FMA Soapbox. > > HM > H. T. Jon Martinez > Tammarau Kempo-Jutsu > 801 1/2 East 22nd Street > Merced CA 95340 > (209) 722-4828 > (209) 381-6640 Hmmm. Something I have learned is that in certain areas of life, (politics, religion, etc) is that many people think backwards. First they have an emotion/conclusion and then they learn the facts and reasons that justify the emotion/conclusion. This is why you rarely see someone respond to superior reasoning with "You're right and I'm changing my mind." But for the record, lets take a stab at it. This Digest is a "government of sorts"? No, its a voluntary association-- no one is made to do anything, not even read my posts. Unlike the government, we operate by persuasion. The notion of progress being the increase of voluntary interaction between individuals and the decrease of areas determined by the coercion of the state most certainly encompasses things such as this Digest. If you wish to scroll down past my posts, you can recognize them by the words with which I usually begin ("A Howl of Greeting" or "A Howl etc" or occasionally "A Yip"). There's some posters who I scroll by, and no doubt there are people who scroll by my posts. The concept is analogous to changing channels on a television set. If you don't like the show, change the channels. As for the charge of non-FMA soapbox, I readily plead guilty. The hierarchy of subjects allowed on this list (I don't have it memorized, but , , ,) allows for a certain amount of leeway and my thought process on the current thread, in which I apparently am not alone, is that the right of self-defense in this country is under serious attack by the government. In contrast to this Digest, when the government speaks, you can't just scroll down--- perhaps that's the essence of the difference! This Digest is about a particular approach to self-defense, the FMA, and it seems to me that it is in our collective interest, as both FMAers and as free people, that we share ideas and efforts about how to keep our right of self-defense. Mik posted about the bill in the US House of Representatives about the right to self-defense with guns. I hope it passes although at the moment it looks like it will die in committee. Nevertheless, its a good idea. Lets apply it to the right of self-defense in a broader sense, whether it be in the political arena or in our respective abilities to communicate with those who do not understand why we do what we do and are afraid. Just as the bill sought to state its propositions clearly, so too we have to be able to do this. In this regard I posit :-o that our efforts will have more impact if we have gone through a process of clarifying our thinking. Feel free Jon, to not participate. Certainly I have, and have offered, my ideas. And they will grow, as they always do, through the process of this Digest. There was a sentence in Rick Lindquist's post that I really liked, and has triggered some thinking on my part. That's why I do this. Yeah, I can be long-winded, opinionated, and drift off subject sometimes-- but there is always the deft hand of the Grand Pooh Bah of the Internet, Ray Terry to give a gentle nudge or a swift kick to keep things on their merry way-- or private e-mails. Which brings me to the grandstanding of giving one's phone number and address. I am reminded of the story of the two writers Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal who didn't like each other and said rude things about each other's writing. One night Mailer, who prided himself on being a tough manly man, punched out Vidal. Later asked what happened, Vidal said "Oh, as usual words failed Norman." Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: howard bobs Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Guro Dan Inosanto NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH Greetings Stickpeople Attention! Guro Dan Inosanto will be in St. Louis,Missouri for a teach-in on July 8,9,10,11.For more information contact Gateway Martial Arts Association at (314)-230-4799 or (314)-861-1585.Hope to see you there. Cordially, Stickboy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: thom Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:49:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106 Rocky writes: <> Quick answers: 1) Human growth hormone is somehow involved in tissue growth of all types, which is why it is vital to the young andmaturing human being, and found in much higher concentrations than anytime later in life. It has been known to be associated with increased muscle growth, but unfortunately, it does not discriminate, so if taken it is usually also responsible for growth in organs that are endagered by extra size, such as the liver and heart, as well as bones and connective tissue that have already found their proper sizes at maturity, such as knuckles, brow ridges, jaws and knee joints. There is a condition whose name I cannot remember that is a result of a natural excess of HGH. Its victims are often large, somewhat deformed, and in chronic discomfort. 2)Is is hellaciously dangerous, as are steroids, amphetamines and any other attempt to shortcut the natural progression towards improvement in individual perormance. Like anything else, it is often used as a treatment for those with other disorders, but even with a physician's supervision , there are nasty side effects. Although it is none of my business, and I don't know you from a can of paint, please don't do this crap to grow. The best things come from the basics. in case you are interested, check out this site: http://www.ironmind.com/main/index.shtml it has good stuff. - --Thom ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:22:39 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Women and Self Defense > Aside from the beating the woman takes, consider the potential for the > rapist to kill his victim! This is terrorism, pure and simple. What part > of it is for her enjoyment? Whatever else E-D members might think of > feminism, this kind of pre-feminist attitude is crap. > Amen Guro Finder ... that's why I always encourage women who are unaccustomed to the fight mentality to contemplate being "snuffed" just for some cretin's momentary "pasttime." To think that some people prize cheap material things more than someone else's integrity and/or life ... sheesh! The comments made by the "instructor" that I was talking about in the previous post are of the same ilk as the guys who say: "Well what's wrong? Just a coupla good ol'boys havin'some fun ... ain't nobody get hurt..." That's a mentality that women can put a few dents (or slashes) in :-) ... elbow/knee/slish. When I've taught self defense for women in the past I always focus on the type of empty hand methods that I've seen in PTK and Muay Thai ... from Muay Thai the elbows, knees and low kicks. From PTK the attacks to the "fangs" of the snake. I suggest that depending on the situation they go for success with little things (like breaking a finger) if necessary before going for more telling targets. In short, anything that someone might call "dirty fighting" from kung fu/kali/eskrima is what I focus on when talking with a woman about self defense. For women who are dear to me I immediately address the knife. That's why we need the move towards the Citzen's Right to Self Defense ... broadened to cover all viable acts of self defense (that's what I was getting at with that, not firearms ... but sticks, knives, empty hand). A few years ago I predicted that crimes aginst women (rape in other words) were going to increase ... this mainly due to what I see in the media and what's offered due to free speech Ameri$a and the net ... ++demeaning to women (that means Mom, Sis and Baby too). It can only lead to behavior that reflects the attitudes portrayed "online." So, mebbe the femmes need to be more aware of what FMAs in particular have to offer them ... attitudes would change if the blade were expected. If someone is willing to fight an armed person to perpetrate a sex crime then it's very clear where they're coming from ... and they should not complain if they're met with a force or strategy which they cannot survive. Brings to mind a D.C. scenario in which a young woman was raped -in the middle of a crowd- on the southwest lawn of the Capitol Building. No one did a d____d thing to help her. One of my kung fu seniors was there ... related the story to Shih Fu during an instructor's meeting. Shih Fu told him that he should not feel bad about not going to the woman's aid because people in the crowd would have probably killed him. What if he had killed someone (or more) in trying to help the young lady? (He definitely could have in short time ... one strong dude) He would have been doin' time on Planet Earth, eh? That was over 20 years ago. We all have the right/duty of self protection against attack. Be well, Mik Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "big Joe A." Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:37:57 PST Subject: eskrima: smoke and mirrors From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:07:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: smoke -n- mirrors > students. With Gat Puno Abon sometimes when he asks me it looks asthough > he's even almost close enough to punyo, yet when I extend the stick I > discover that even if I lean toward him the stick still misses him byan > inch. Yet he easily reaches out and taps me on the head even though Ihave > a natural reach advantage over him. Sometimes he even does it with thefree > hand side in the lead position, and yet he still reaches me while Ican't > reach him, and it is something that must be experienced to bebekieved. >Sounds like magic to me...Ray Terryraymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Ray, It isn't magic. My Instructor calls it "Body" and "Weight" Shifting. It's funny, you think your about to nail him and whiff, you miss and he doesn't. Oucch!!! It's like Animal said "time to do the owwy dance". I'm no small Guy either. I'm 6'2" and my instructor is maybe 5'6" to 5'8" tops. I have a huge reach advantage and he still hits me without me being able to reach him. I too thought it was magic till He showed me what he was doing. After months of practice I still can't do it though. It's Like that one Filipino Expression Goes You still have a lot of rice to eat before you catch up to me. Your Friend In Training, Big Joe A. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:59:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Growth Hormone If you want to know the reality of what goes on in the bodybuilding world,,, go to Metamophosis online fitness magazine. The bulletin board is a real eye opener about drug use and lifting. As far as growth hormone,.... too expensive, not too effective unless used with other anabolics. The best material on this is in Barry Sears new book,..The Anti Aging Zone. He goes in depth about hormones. A simple piece of advice, .....Keep insulin in control with a 30-30-40 diet. Vegen if you want, or fish and poultry, or wild game...whatever. Use low glycemic carbs(fruits and veggies,...whole rye or oat groats would be the only grains). Get your fat from olives, avacados, almonds, macadamia's, and fish fat. Lots of fish fat. Work out hard,...... a small balanced snack before your workout, and a small one fifteen minutes after( a Balance bar or PR BAR), then have a bigger balanced meal or drink within two hours after your workout. Load your creatine after your workout. Mix with water, you dont need sugary drinks, the original experiments were done with creatine and tea. Last but not least,...good sleep is necessary for GH output. All the so called Secretogogue horse poop supplements will not work,.......period. Tom Furman...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:40:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: enjoying rape?!! & Tool Dip 'n Sticks > Did you dip the whole stick or just the grip? If so, how did you do it (you > need an end by which to hold & hang the stick)? Does it make the rattan > last longer? I'm betting that those sticks pack quite a wallop too. > Probably not the best choice for sparring huh, assuming of course that you > want like your sparring partners ;o) Btw, where do you get the stuff? It doesn't work to dip the whole stick. You only stick the grip. You get it at most any hardware store. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Back to FMA... Ok, I'm starting to delete posts. Back to FMA. 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