From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #109 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 14 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 109 In this issue: eskrima: other weapons eskrima: scrolling/tape on sticks eskrima: HGH eskrima: No more politics... eskrima: Samo Hung's "Martial Law" going? eskrima: Hail the Champ eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106 eskrima: Pananandata Book Wanted eskrima: Re: Kerambit eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:43:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: other weapons >The shinai and short staff, however, were a different story. Let me tell >you, forget X-blocking for anything other than a last ditch effort to give >you just enough time to get your ass out of the way of the next furious >swing. Bingo! Maybe it's easy against beginners or half-hearted opponents, but my experience against bo and jo staffs (certainly not at the level of intensity that Eric experienced) is that their mass, combined with speed (especially the jo, the staff invented to defeat Musashi) is QUITE formidable. I've watched top Aikidoists doing jo sparring (yes!) that straightened my curly hair permanently. And if any of you have ever faced a heavy pair of oak 3 sectional staff in competent hands ... (my Kenpo instructor decided he had to see what I was learning in escrima. Not nearly enough, at that point in time!). We all seem to get locked into our favorite/familiar weapons, but if I recall Guro I's original book, all of these weapons are part of FMA. Bottom line, as Eric points out about then-cherry David Wink, is it's the fighter, not the style, and a tool is just a tool. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:56:12 -0800 Subject: eskrima: scrolling/tape on sticks Marc's point about the E-D being a voluntary, as opposed to coercive, format, is valid, and I'll admit to scrolling quickly at times. Sometimes when posts get long or repetitive or simply too technical (like when the chem boys get into debating details I don't follow), I'll speed read the text. While the bit about tape on sticks might have been kinda boring, I of course had to approach it from a very practical point, ie. defending the value of a product I make, that tape won't break my sticks. I doubt that anyone is asking this of other sticks. Many people question whether plastics are any good, often those who haven't used them. Thanks (Animal or Mik) for pointing out that on the street we grab what we can, and in this society, it's often man-made; tools, belts, bottles, gutter debris etc. Anyway, I also brought up another aspect that no one else picked up or commented on, which is using the tape as an educational tool, to define areas of the stick to clarify for beginners how to use the weapon. After all, to the uninitiated, a stick is just a straight peice of wood (or - ;) with no particular qualities. We've certainly talked at length about finding the sweet spot, whether to block, or use the thumb, etc. By marking a stick appropriately, it makes it easier for beginners to see how the weapon is being used, giving visual reinforcement to what we tell them. 'Nuf said ... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:29:18 -0600 Subject: eskrima: HGH > HGH was administered by shots which led to massive fluctuations in the > level of the hormone in the body-- which is asserted to explain the cases > of acromegaly (sp?), > Acromegaly, right. This might be an assertion to look at from an angle :-) Natural cases of acromegaly do not involve shots or massive fluctuations of HGH, but continued high secretion. So, if anyone suggests that their injection regimen cannot produce acromegaly we should probably remember "caveat emptor." The reason that the changes seen in acromegaly (sorta like an "adult onset giantism") occur: the long bones have finished growing so they can't get any longer. Some bones will get thicker ... hands, feet, cheekbones, jaw ... and some tissue will grow ... eyelids, lips, tongue. nose. Time for me to do some readin' ... that enlargement of internal organs sounds scary! Stands to reason that anything with remaining growth potential after physical maturity may respond to unnaturally increased levels of growth hormone. Caveat Emptor!!! HGH will also speed the success of any tumor/cancer process. No way around that one. So ... > and it is now claimed that it can be taken orally > which, it is asserted, makes for more moderate doses and far more even > levels. It can be a seductive rap. > Yah, we got to be mo'careful with anything that messes with hormonal balances. The amount of hormonal change required to change physiological states is VERY small. Any kind of "self-medication" related to hormonal changes can be dangerous because the amounts of hormone or hormone-manipulating substances used are bound to be higher than what would occur naturally. We may find (logical extension/speculation here) that HGH manipulation may promote cancer in people who might otherwise not have suffered cancer. Hell of a price to pay for a change in "display." Some people don't realize that everyone has cancer almost all of the time (one way of putting it). We all get cells that decide to "go their own way" on a regular basis. they are ususally destroyed by the immune system. When they don't get destroyed, i.e., they become successful, we get tumors, various "-omas." I shy away from any substance that might unnaturally alter hormonal balacnes because I know they're nothing to frick around with -- and that's putting it lightly. Why promote the success of something that can kill you just to have bigger muscles??? OTOH, there are ways to safely NUDGE the endocrine system, like 90-minute workouts. Beyond 90 minutes testosterone levels drop. At about 90 minutes the testosterone response to exertion peaks. All "waterfall" effects of increased testosterone are then in motion for your benefit. > There may be a proper quality of > life/life extension use when one's natural levels get really low. > This is a potential goodie that's been talked about for a long time. I first heard of it in the work of Durk Peterson and Sandy Shaw, the longevity folks. They've advocated taking many different substances to "invigorate" and prolong life. Like ginseng use, it's the kind of thing that might be more appropriate later in life, not on a regular basis in youth or prime. Many people now use ginseng everyday ... Yellow Emperor would cringe. Physiology is a subtle thing ... endocrine balance is a subtle thing. The kind of products that we sometimes use to promote athletic ability, etc. sometimes "push the river" in non-subtle ways, ephedra for example. Hormones are 'long-acting" mechanisms of physiological regulation ... they don't need -much- pushing. Ginseng used periodically has its greatest effect on hormonal balance ... it affects the entire system, i.e., in contrast with pushing one component to high levels and causing imbalance and negative side effects. The endocrine system is also very cyclical, so daily downing of hormone-pushing substances breaks the pattern of normal endocrine physiology. Uh, OK, gettin' a little long-winded here. To close ... multiple teachers (including a very experienced doctor of Traditional Oriental Medicine who told me to always fill half of my plate with whole grains) have told me to use ginseng sparingly (i.e., seasonally). I tend to use it a few times a year, especially with the change of the seasons. If you do this I am confidnet that you will FEEL the difference unmistakably. For a dynamite experience: save some bucks to get yourself one huge root. In the early AM, put the root in a closed glass or ceramic container which you can somehow suspend in a larger pot of water. Fill the root-containing container with distilled water and suspend it in the pot (this could be accomplished by putting something in the pot to keep the container off the bottom of the pot). Fill the pot with water up to a level that will not cover the root container. Heat the water in the pot but don't let it come to a boil, not even a simmer. Leave this on all day, 10 hours oughtta do if memory serves me OK this morning. Have a cup of this on an empty stomach (like first thing the next morning) and pay attention :-) Once in the spring, once in the fall. Good health, long life and good fortune. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Rudolf Kimbel (100432.650@compuserve.com)" <100432.650@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:05:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: No more politics... to:INTERNET:eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Ingo Bojak , from Germany, wrote: [snip] >Neither is political freedom and personal safety directly related to the >right of the populace to be armed, in spite of the efforts of gun-loving >(and toting?) Americans to prove it. I have experienced American society [snip] >Eskirma. But the best way to divide a gathering with common interests is >to start a discussion on either politics or religion. I hope this will not >happen here. Another really bad idea is to start with any nationalistic stuff on an international forum. Gun loving Rudolf, from ... (you guessed it), Germany. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:09:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Samo Hung's "Martial Law" going? I don't know if this is just a local programming decision, but here in the Bay Area "Martial Law" is listed in the TV guide at 9pm Saturday nights, but for the past two weeks has been replaced (first by an old episode of "Walker: Texas Ranger" and then now a 4th rate laugh-track sitcom). CBS' website for the show is current, listing time, synopsis and guest star for the newest episode. If anyone else is having this problem, contact CBS and their local affiliate and let them know that there is an audience that appreciates seeing one of martial arts' premier stars doing quality programs on American television. Bay Area folks can contact channel 5 at tvprog@kpix.com. Thanks! Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:15:14 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hail the Champ A Howl of Greeting to All: Congratulations to the new undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World, Lennox Lewis-- and the corruption of two judges cannot change that. I am proud of my record in betting boxing, (the only time I've ever lost is when I listened too an inside tip) but after I raised the question of this fight on the Digest, I ducked giving my own prediction because I found it disconcerting that Holyfield changed his quiet, confident style to one of cockiness; I refer to his prophecy of victory in the third. I have always admired H. but the cocky thing is not his psychological type. I thought he did not look properly warmed up coming in, although he did look loose-- too lose? In contrast I thought Lewis looked tight and his eyes shifted a lot-- so it was a major mistake on H's part to relax through the first two rounds and let L. get mentally right. I was surprised at H's inability to exert sustained attack whenever he got in, and after the third L. controlled range well. I think H. can do better- maybe he has a hard time getting up for a fight after having been to the mountain top two times against Tyson-- but the better man tonight was Lewis. Woof, Crafty PS: My apologies to all for having drifted too close to politics recently. In my mind I was thinking more in terms of a unified theory of aggression, an evolutionary psychology kind of thing, of which politics is but one aspect. I've been doing some reading and thinking in this area and wanted to test its soundness under the vigorous testing that this Digest is sure to give. Indeed, even in this brief start to airing out some of these ideas I have learned, including how these ideas may appear to others, and for that thanks to all. Nevertheless, judging from various responses of this Digest, this voluntary association of ours, I may have gotten a bit carried away and/or the thinking needs more work. I will revert to my occasional one sentence pot shots. ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:11:13 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #106 Thanks to Lonnie for the information about Harimaw Buno and the others that have posted on the subject. I have another question concerning lock and block. I saw that term on the digest a few days ago. I also saw mention of it in Mark Wiley's and in Cabiero's book, but I'm not familar with it (or perhaps familair with it under a different name). What kind of movements are involved and how are the movements applied? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (STEVE ZORN) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:56:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Pananandata Book Wanted Anyone on this list have the book "Pananandata Rope Fighting" by Amante P. Marinas that they might be willing to sell? If not does anyone know where I might find a copy? I have tried all of the internet used book search engines but have had no luck. Any help or information would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:52:21 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Kerambit Kelly Worden is marketing a plastic version of a "kerambit". Altough most people who see it don't even recognize it's incredible ability to do a lot of damage. Although the hook end is just a blunt protusion, you can deliver very effective punches as well as. punyo and chop. Also because of the thumb hole you can still grab with it. Neat item. I believe he calls it the "DTL" (destruct, trap, lock). cheap, works well, even has an instuctional video (basic and advanced.) I don't know his e-mail, but if you look under palidan press he is listed there and you can get to his site. phone # 253-582-2786 Chris ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:52:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #109 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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