From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #126 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 29 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 126 In this issue: eskrima: Bert Poe eskrima: Re: footwork eskrima: RE: Ted LucayLucay eskrima: Ron Balicki Seminars eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #125 eskrima: Inosanto, challeges, & Gilbey eskrima: Footwork (was-Lanka) eskrima: Re: Clip-it in the car eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:43:53 EST Subject: eskrima: Bert Poe Here is a whatever happened to.........I met Bert Poe in '87 at the Smoky Mountain Camp. He was a very interesting character. He taught some fighting techniques during Tim Tacketts sessions. He also used one of Chuck Patrick's Damascus blades to slaughter a young goat. I understand he had a background in boxing and judo, but his techniques were very interesting. I also saw him in photo's with Larry Hartsell at the Dallas Cowboy Camp. Has anyone on the list trained with him?? I understand he passed away a few years ago. Tom Furman...aka tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:25:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: footwork > "I am aware of the silat footwork patterns that are used as diagrams for > training exercises. You dont fight this way, but they build sound body > mechanics. They are used in applications and so they are used in fighting. This is like saying FMA footwork patterns aren't used in fighting. > I know there is other footwork, but do they draw patterns and do formal patterns?? Diagrams are just to visualize, learn and as a reference. Once you know it ..well the diagram has served it purpose. >Would a filipino stylist use a saw tooth like Top Dog, or like Pendekar de Thouars "sutut miring"???" This kind of answers itself, as mentioned, TD's footwork is Pekiti (FMA ..see the DB FAQ). Mustika Kweetang (and other silats) has a langkah called gergaji which is the sawtooth. It's done different from the Pekiti sawtooth but there are other Pekiti footwork is similar to the way we do sawtooth, like half of the hour glass or diamond. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Monaghan Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:01:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Ted LucayLucay LucayLucay style from what I have learned so far is very percussive. Lucky LucayLucay was the Panatukan champion in the Philippines (Ted also). They wrapped the hands and forearms in a sticky gauze that hardened like plaster of paris when they fought. They use a lot of forearm (Ordabis, dungar, etc. SP isn't correct), backhand, and palm strikes. The knife system is like the Panatukan. I mean they punch and hit with butt of the knife just as much as they cut with the blade. I don't know how many people on the list have seen LucayLucay style but I consider it to be one of the best systems as far as the Panatukan goes. The Villabraille system has several patterns like the four directions, circling footwork, cross stepping, and where you circle within another persons circle as they turn to attack. The Villabraille system has very sophisticated footwork. The PTK footwork is also very sophisticated, but is very different. In the brief time that I studied PTK I remember a lot of footwork patterns. Someone asked about Indonesian style Kali systems. What about Johnny LaCosta's Kali? I understand it was mostly influenced by Silat. Jeff Monaghan ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:38:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Ron Balicki Seminars Ron Balicki Seminars click on the blue to check out the updates at my web site! 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Even if the supposed challenge did occur, accepting it does not prove a thing. I had a similar experience with a TKD/Wing Tsun a few years ago. He was hot to fight me and tried to provoke it. The problem was he could not fight his way out of a paper bag. I could have destroyed him in a couple of seconds (no brag, everyone who knows me knows I don't do that, just this guy was SO BAD). But it would have been of no benefit to me. I could also have opened myself up to a major lawsuit. So I ignored it and laughed in his face and left the gym. Did I back down? In my mind, no. In other people's mind? Who cares? I don't see a need to fight because others want to see it. I went through that phase in college. It is not something I am proud of. Mr. Inosanto has a lot less need to prove himself. He saved everyone a lot of trouble (and himself being sued after he tare this idiot apart). Also, take Gilbey (ne Robert Smith) with a grain of salt. He makes a huge number of weird errors and omissions. He supposedly spent a great deal of time in Brazil (enough to write about Capoeira and Indian tribe fighting), but never seemed to have encountered anything about the Gracies. Also, in one of his books, he spends a lot of time talking up an old time wrestler named Jack Sherry. He makes Sherry seem like the best. I have since talked to a couple of wrestlers who were there and knew Sherry, and they concur that Sherry was decent, but nothing to brag about. There are others as well. Suffice to say, enjoy his stuff, but don't take it as gospel. Cecil Burch "A man has only lost when he admits it to himself" Hans Ulrich Rudel ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:39:24 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Footwork (was-Lanka) TCSNO@aol.com wrote: >I am aware of the silat footwork patterns that are used as diagrams for >training exercises. You dont fight this way, but they build sound body >mechanics. Do any filipino styles practice exercises other than the male and >female triangle?? I know there is other footwork, but do they draw patterns >and do formal patterns?? Would a filipino stylist use a saw tooth like Top >Dog, or like Pendekar de Thouars "sutut miring"??? This "saw tooth" sounds like something we do. We use a pattern of several triangles laid out side by side & touching so that it looks like this: ^^^^^^^^ We use it to drill the forward & reverse triangle footwork. Is this what you're talking about? TIA. Dave Fulton dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:09:22 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Clip-it in the car A friend of mine had his attached to the shoulder harness, just like the two correspondents mentioned, when he was attacked while waiting in line at the Taco Bell drive-through. He managed to get it out and put (by his best estimate) about a dozen solid pokes into his two assailants before they thought better of what they were doing and ran away. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #126 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.