From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #134 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 3 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 134 In this issue: eskrima: Inosanto's FMA Book eskrima: Idol Worship eskrima: Pedestals eskrima: Rocky's post eskrima: Dr: Gyi part 6 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 eskrima: North East Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Conference eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #131 eskrima: wow eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 eskrima: Re: Suro Mike Inay Seminar in Long Beach,CA. eskrima: Stevie Stevie Stevie.... eskrima: Re-Brians reply eskrima: The best cadidate yet!! eskrima: (no subject) BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Daniel Mcconnell (fwd) eskrima: we're all (wo)men eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:58:39 EST Subject: eskrima: Inosanto's FMA Book Just and FYI to any who have been looking for Guro Inosanto's Filipino Martial Arts. There's a copy up for auction on e-bay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=85661886 The book is signed by both Guro Inosanto and Guro Bustillo. This fellow also has several of Guro I's JKD books for sale as well. The sellers has recently sold his very large collection of Martial Arts books as well as many silat and FMA books. Regards. Jim Lowe Jivita@aol.com The Bamboo Price Record http://members.aol.com/fishyarn/pricerecord.html The Pish Page http://members.aol.com/jivita/PishPage.html The Berkeley Eskrima Club http://members.aol.com/EkaliArnis/BEC.html ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 07:57:38 PST Subject: eskrima: Idol Worship RE: Idol worship I think in any martial arts system, the head guy or founder or highest ranking head guy (whatever) will have some fanatical disciples. This is not exclusive to the JKD Clan, Inosanto clan, or other system. Look at the following systems: Aikido (Uyeshiba Morihei O-Sensei...John Stevens calls him "an invincible martial artist...the greatest martial artist of all time" ), Shotokan (Funakoshi Gichin), Wing Chun (Yip Man, William Cheung, Leung Ting, Moy Yat, Wong Shun Leung), and on and on. To judge a particular group of people by the words of a few vocal ones is unfair. Rock has made some comments on this list derogatory to the JKD clan, particularily Sifu Inosanto's lineage. I think one can infer from his comments that he believes these people to be in a cult of some sort. Doesn't Balintiwak have Anciong Bacon and Modern Aris Remy Presas? I am sure there are people in those systems that believe in the infallibility of their respective masters. It would be a mistake to assume that those organizations were fanatical disciples of an instructor's ego based on those few individuals, right? Before one makes these assumptions based on perhaps a few ill-chosen words taken out of context, or perhaps limited experience with a group, judge a group in its totality and not its words. I think you might see there is room for a great informational exchange. Dave Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 10:20:14 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Pedestals The problem with a guro is everyone sees in him what they want. Jesus, Buddha, etc. ad infinitum. Once they're on a pedestal, it is hard to get off. Sometimes we all forget they're human like us. Danny with Remy, Danny with Angel ... so whose fault, anyway? If Guro I. concentrates on doing what he does, does it mean he has to take everyone else along for the ride? If they are credible, they build their own careers. Like Remy. Like Angel. There's a piece of the pie out there for those who want it. The rest? Personality. For those new to the Digest, a couple of years ago I wrote about Guro I. and Serrada, very similar to what Rocky had to say. We all learn from experience. I'll bet that Danny conducts his business more circumspectly than he did 20 years ago. If everybody is so PC correct and nice, who'd give a damn about what's the best combat system in the world? We could just have coffee together. Angel and Cacoy, same thing: the other guy's stuff won't work. Maybe trash talkin' our rivals should be a formal part of the art. BTW: For those who get the SF Chronicle, a letter I sent about Kosovo was the leadoff letter in the editorial section today. Anyone who wants to read it online can go to: http://www.sfgate.com/cgibin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/04/03/ ED3499.DTL Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: "Myles Watling" Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:09:09 PST Subject: eskrima: Rocky's post Hey all, I don't post frequently, don't really have the time these days. Rocky's post has brought me out of lurking. Let me say this, I have never met Guro I, I do hope to someday, because I have respected him for many years. Much of what I have heard I have heard second hand from people I respect and have no reason to doubt. I, as many of my generation, were big fans of Bruce and the fact that he left his lineage to Guro I speaks highly of the man. But, (there is always a but), it is my understanding though that Guro I was not always as humble as he is now. Especially right after Bruce's death. I have heard that he made some comments in one of his early books, that he later recanted on. Something about all the Great Kali masters have moved to the U.S. and that there was no one in the Philippines worth learning from anymore. (I don't have a copy of the text, but have seen it. I believe it is out of print now.) I heard that this upset more than one of the Masters still in the P.I. st that time. That there was a great deal of animosity toward him for a long time. Later he admitted what he said was wrong and apologized, which earned a great deal of respect in my eyes. I live in a L.A. which is probably the JKD mecca. I have met several JKD types who just believed that because they trained with Guro I, there system was unbeatable. I have a hard time with people like that, because I have learned over several years that the practitioner makes the style, not the other way around. No system is unbeatable, only the fighters themselves. While I believe you should have pride in your system, you must be humble too. There are too many systems out there with very old and formidable Masters still around not too. Anyway just though I would say something so Rocky didn't have to be hated alone. Myles Watling MANAOIS ESKRIMA SYSTEMS INTL. stickfighter@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:18:08 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dr: Gyi part 6 A Howl etc: Perhaps Rocky is on a new diet and frustrated by the lack of results? ;-) Many good rejoinders have already been made, so I'll just continue with part 6. Today begins with an excerpt from a sidebar to the article: "Historically, Gurkha soldiers have received systematic combat training with their kukris, but in secret. As a teenaged member of the 3rd Battalion, 10th Burma Gurkha Regiment in WW2, M. Gyi was taught by some of the greatest swordsmen in the history of his people , , , In the Chin-Burma-India theater special emphasis was placed on training for the inevitable hand-to-hand combat against Japanese officers armed with samurai swords and riflemen armed with bayonets. If given a choice of location and time for these bloody clashes, the Gurkhas would seek to attack the Japanese: 1) in thick jungle vegetation 2) in crowded trenches and bunkers or 3) at night. In those situations the enemy's long swords and bayonets were awkward to use, giving the Gurkhas with their short swords the advantage." and now back to Dr. Gyi's story: "C Company was ordered to detour about two miles and come up from the rear of the hill. The monsoon rains had not stopped. We struggled through deep and slippery ravines, and climbed through tangled vines and thorny scrub. Our movement was slow. The trackless jungle became more dense as we tried to climb the steep 2,000 ft. hill. One Gurkha slipped and fell into a snake pit. Before he could regain his footing, a large King Cobra rose above him and struck him in the face. The man groaned and writhed in agony, but the snake continued to strike until he lay motionless. The men behind me were horrified. Jemadar Rahasing rushed forward and chopped off the Cobra's head with his kukri before it could strike again. "I wanted to attend to the victim, but the jemadar signaled me to move on. At some places we had to crawl on our hands and knees and hold on to trees, roots, branches or vines to avoid falling. Leeches, mosquitoes and other insects attracted by the human sweat began to attack us. A Gurkha next to me had about 20 tree leeches on his face. With his hands busy climbing, he could only bite at the ones that attempted to wiggle into his mouth. After five hours of strenuous climbing, we reached the edge of the second plateau. We discovered eight men were missing from our company. No one could say if they had been bitten by snakes, or fell and died for some other reason or simply lost their way in the thick and tangled bushes." And that's just getting to the battle! Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Nakmuay Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:03:33 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 *Lurk mode = Off* Just thought I'd put in my $0.02. I would highly recommend to those interested, Byron Farwell's "The Gurkhas", a history spanning 18th century Nepal and the Falkland War. It's a great read, and in addition to historical narration, is full of extremely entertaining stories, a couple of which I would like to reproduce below...... "There is a story, perhaps apocryphal, that a group of Gurkhas, when told that they might jump out of aircraft flying as low as 600 feet, looked worried and said that they thought 300 feet would be more reasonable. An officer explained that at this height their parachutes would not have time to open. 'Oh!' said one, surprised, 'then we will have parachutes?'" "During the fighting for the capture of Talingon in the drive to retake Mandalay, two riflemen of the 4/10th sat in a tree observing for the artillery. In the to-and-fro of battle, they found themselves at one point on the Japanese side of the conflict and they amused themselves by dropping grenades on unsuspecting Japanese who passed below. When five officers assembled directly under the tree, they killed them all - and suffered some wounds 'in their nether regions', as the report put it." "Ganju Lama, a PIAT gunner, was with his battalion when it was ordered one rainy day, 11 June 1944, to relieve the 2/5th at the village of Ningthowkong. The 2/5th was under attack and two companies of the 1/7th, trying to go to its relief, came under the fire of three Japanese tanks. Ganju, who had already won the Military Medal by destroying two tanks, crawled forward with his PIAT to destroy these. Unfortunately, he was seen and caught in a crossfire. He was wounded in the arm and leg, and his left wrist was broken. Nevertheless, he crawled on through slick mud, bleeding profusely, dragging his weapon and ammunition. When he came within thirty yards of the first tank he set up his PIAT, fired, and saw the tank go up in flames. He somehow managed to load his weapon and fire again, and again accurately, destroying a second tank. As the tank crew survivors crawled out, he killed them with grenades. Then, his ammunition exhausted, he crawled back - for more projectiles. In spite of his wounds and loss of blood, he made his way forward again and knocked out a third tank. Twenty years later, when Ganju Lama was serving as an officer in the Indian Army, a large boil developed on his leg. It swelled up and finally burst. Out came a Japanese bullet." p.s He won the Victoria Cross for gallantry. Later, Abhijit Khirwadkar. ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:13:39 PST Subject: eskrima: North East Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Conference We are hosting the 1999 North East Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Conference in NYC on October 22 through the 24th. Instructors will be Sifu's Richard Bustillo, Ted Wong and Chris Kent. For information please email me at ESKRIMA@HOTMAIL.COM or call 973 422-1500. Thanks.. Don Edwards Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:23:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #131 Recently in the Digest, I've seen two instances in which Dan Inosanto has been compared to Jesus Christ...(Mr. Sachetti referring to Dan as "Christlike", and Mr. Sardinas paraphrasing a popular saying these days to state, "What would Guro Dan Do?"). I must admit, Danny is a pretty nice guy, and an exceptionally talented and knowledgable martial artist. But, with all due respect, I think we may be losing our perspective just a bit when we begin comparing any human to Christ. Danny is a man, no different in that aspect from any one of us, (I dare say he would agree with that statement), and despite all of his accomplishments in the martial arts world, elevating him to the level of God is getting a little bizarre, (not to mention blasphemous). I have as much respect for the man as the next guy, but please, let's keep it down to earth. Kim ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:00:34 -0800 Subject: eskrima: wow This is about Rocky Pasiwak's last post, "Here we go boys and girls!!" WOW, that must have been pent up for quite a while. Joe Hironaka ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:57:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 Rocky wrote: getting a little agitated, then he starts with his little stop > watch thingy, show a tech. give them 2 minutes to work on it, and move > on, thus over whelming them and baffling them, and instilling and even > greater, illusion of your superiority upon them, to which many fall prey > to. ( Are you warming your fingers up yet Doc ) Then we do a little Rocky, The Inosanto Sigu Lee teaching method has been modified since its inception as JunFan. It was revolutionary for its day. Today it is still not understood but copys are attempted. I've had this association with Guro I and Bustillo etc. for 27 years now. If the list has lots of tolerance I can explain it to you. AS to the "dick" there will always be one. The way you take care of them is to humblely and geekily pretend stupidity. Ask the dick to show you how it works in sparring after class since you just don't understand it. Dicks are such suckers. T-off on them please. The old Filipino Kali Academy used to clean its house this way all the time. It was a humble institution. Sparring always brings out the honesty. There are too many dicks and not enough aparring. Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:06:08 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Suro Mike Inay Seminar in Long Beach,CA. Meowmix to all, CAT Society is hosting Suro Mike Inay in May 15,1999 Saturday @ 12noon - 4pm. Pre-registration by May 10,1999 $35.00 or $50.00 at the door. Topics: Kadena de Mano,Espada Y Daga . Contact: Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad @ Arniste@aol.com or mail check payable to : Nelson Trinidad 11523 E. 206th ST. Lakewood.CA.,90715 more details will be forwarded later on for hotel accomodation, Thanks ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:19:03 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Stevie Stevie Stevie.... Steve writes: > - ---Smirk? I have known Sifu Dan since 1989. I have trained many hours at > many seminars with him, including visiting his school in LA several times a > year for training. I have NEVER heard him say anything derogatory about > ANYONE in that entire time. He is the most humble and self effacing man I > ever met. I'm glad you respect his abilities and his accomplishments, but > I believe you do him a disservice. I seriously doubt if he was singling out > Remy Presas and his teaching methods to ridicule you. That is completely > unlike the man. I suspect maybe you over reacted when he didn't jump up and > down and thank you for coming to see him, since after all you're one of the > professors' guys... Do you have any idea how many people come up to him at > I rest my case, we have our first candidate for the magic potion that will take you to Danny Danny land!!! Stevie you must read without so much emotion, " We need total concentration" Did I say that I was expecting him to jump up and down, HHMM let me see, DAH NO!!!!! I simply stated that I was relaying a message from one legitimate master to another, which the least he could do is say " thanks or something small to that effect, I did not expect any personal recognition from him. Lets see in 1986 I gave one of the largest seminars at that time ever in Vastrous (sp) Sweden over 200 people, more than what showed up 6 months later when Remy and I went back, so I no a little something about teaching at seminars, and I always have time to say thank you or hello, even to those that I would much rather say FU*K You to, but I guess its in the up bringing I had!!!! > have rolled on the ground with Erik Paulson for 5 hours at a time, and as > one of Sifu Dan's students, I can tell you he is an awesome allaround > fighter. I felt his superiority to me, not just imagined it. The same with > Damon Caro, Chad Stahelski, Marc Denny, Sayoshi, Joel, Yuri, etc...These > guys don't baffle me with many techniques, they dominate me with their > skill. That's why I respect them.. And they in turn respect the man who > taught most of them. And believe me, these guys aren't robots following > Sifu around blindly. -- Steve > Stevie Stevie Stevie... Once again show me any where I say that Danny is no good, as either an instructor or a fighter!!!!, ( You know Steve I am just going to go ahead and book passage for you on the next spaceship out, say hi to Bruce and E for me ) And for give me if I am wrong but didn't Eric do lots of other training as did most of the really good fighters under Danny i.e. Crafty and his group canine killers!!! What Danny is good at and what draws many of the good fighter to him is his, belief in learning from anyone that you can, he is the master of helping people unlock their potential and I think most people will agree with me he.At least thats my perception. Of course I do get hit a lot!! > - --- Rocky, it sounds to me like your ego got in the way here.. The guy's job > was to go around help people understand the material they were teaching, not > to compete with you to see if he could beat you. Some people won't take > AH!!! lets see didn't I say that he was teaching me something, which I had a little trouble with, but that later when he did disarm me and act like he would have hit me in the head it was during a slow free flowing drill in which we were in engaged and that he all of a suddenly kicked it up to full speed, when I didn;t even really know what we were doing!!!! AH!! YEA!!! I think thetas what I said, so what exactically was your point!!! I have never done that in one of my seminars, its kinda like sucker punching someone so you can brag you beat him, but leaving out the sucker punching details when you go brag to your friends. ( I am now mixing the potion for you) > --- Not reading anything into his comment are you? And by the way, I'll > pass on your kind offer, but I'm heterosexual and married. Thanks > anyway..--Steve > Yes!! and thanks for leaving me off the hook on this one, now if I can get the rest of these limp wrested Eskrimador to quit Email me and telling me they didn't believe me their for they would, West coasters man I just don't get it. > - --All in all, I don't worship Sifu Dan. I respect him tremendously as a > martial artist, and even more as a person. > Hey now wait just a minute Steve ole boy, talk like this won't get you a ticket on board that ship to enlightenment. You were doing so good don't blow it now man. Don't you want to reach higher enlightenment, come on man, re - post and justify your self!! > I'm sure he has his faults, as > he is indeed just human, but I'm not sure what they would be. I have seen > people take advantage of his good nature and innate kindness, while they > were thinking only of themselves. Perhaps he's not the best judge of > people, always trying to find the good in them.. He gives information > freely, even though many people turn around and stab him in the back. His > biggest fault may be that he lives the martial arts, > AH YEA!!! and wasn't this pretty much word for word what I said, that he is just a man, and damn good martial artist, but non the less a man who is just as likely to do things he may or may not regret later just like anyone else. ( Confusion is not what we are looking for here Steve, either you want that seat or not, there is no second guessing, enlightenment with the big B and the big E aboard that ship ) or stay here with us mear mortals. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:38:16 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re-Brians reply Brian writes: > I have attended one of Inosanto's certified instructor's seminars, here = > in Wisconsin. The gentleman is from Beliot, Janesville area, I want to = > say his name is Pete Hentrick. But anyway, I think that you have to = > understand what context the seminar was put on. Was this an = > introductory seminar? Was it geared to people who had no martial art = > experience or FMA expereince. Because the ones that I attended were set = > up that way. We ran them as a self-defence seminar, and offered it on = > Ah sorry I am lost !!!! :-( Ok Next!! > People don't want to hear the "message" that these masters try = > to send. people want to be led. They son't want to have to make = > decisions for themselves > Agreed Brian, I think their call Democrats, > Bruce Lee = > himself (seeing as how you used him in your thread) said that the = > molment that we start to idolize him and stop looking for ourselves, to = > burn everything he had written, and that we had forgotten because of > Holly Sh*t Batman, are you guys in Danny Danny land reading this stuff, man theirs gonna be a book burning that will impress the Nazi's man if I could get a hot dog stand for this I could retire in one night!!! > So that was pretty painless I hope, I'm not disagreeing with you. And = > some people will, and some won't but, remember when it comes to human = > behavior, > This is true but talk like that won't get you a ticket aboard the enlightenment express!!! No independent thinkers Brian!!! Bad Brian Bad!!! > I wish you luck, and for everyone who replys to Rocky and has = > managed to read this long reply, go easy on him, he might not be getting = > enough. > True True, I get it its just its always from my wife!!!! Where's the fun in that ( good thing she doesn't read this stuff ) But like I said if I could just change places with Danny I'd have houses, cars, money, and all my worshipers women too! and dam it I know many of them would give it up. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 21:09:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: The best cadidate yet!! Mike Wrote:: > Rocky, I've been with Guro Dan Inosanto for over 10 years and I don't > think he walks on water. I do think he is one of the most knowledgeable > martial artists I have met in the 25 years I have been involved in the > MA's. To read your 'war story' only makes me wonder what you could > possibly gain from passing it on. I've stood beside Guro Dan on more > than one occasion and listened to some overinflated sack of manure claim > he was the greatest martial artist of all time... and Guro Dan respected > that persons assessment of themself while I could barely control my > laughter... maybe you wee one of those people(!). He has exhibited > tremendous self-control when he has been challenged... more so than I > could have honestly exhibited. As the target for lances and spears for > many years, Guro Dan has learned to take comments like yours to heart... > although I know he is still hurt by them. > Mikey Mikey, I'll give you $50.00 if you show me where I attack Danny himself, ( Tell you what man you are definitely on your way, first class even ) , hell you might be the best example of a Danny worshiper!!!! > If you are in search of some much needed attention, you now have it. I > would suggest that if you want more, that you find a venue that suits > your needs; possibly a list where Guro Dan isn't held in such high > regard. > You get hit a lot don't you Mike??? Lets see I did say that I was against anyone challenging Danny didn't I, HHMMM, yes I did say that. I did regard Danny as a Master even though he doesn't like the term, I use it cause I respect him. "HEY MIKE ARE YOU LISTENING QUIT LOOKING AT YOUR AUTOGRAPHED PICTURE OF DANNY AND PAY ATTENTION BOY I'M TALKING TO YOU. HELLO ANYONE HOME!!! are you ATTENTION DEFICIENT. ( you know I thought you would be a good candidate for our star ship to the hear after, but while we do want worshipers, we want someone with at least enough on the ball to have accumulated some worldly wealth that we can weasel out of them, I'm sorry but you just don't qualify!!) But!! I tell you what I'm gonna do Mike, I heard on T.V last week that some Doctor was close to transplanting brains of chimps, I'm gonna e-mail him see what we can do for you. Rocky P.S Hey Mike I just got brain storm, being that my mind is a constant whirl wind of transit thought that cascades into a never ending pool of enlightenment. I just came up with a million dollar Idea and yes I will cut you in on a peace of the action. I am going to start making little statues of Danny for his worshipers to place on their dash boards to replace the Virgin Mary, man were gonna be rich. ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 21:15:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: (no subject) Allen Wrote: > I think this sort of thing has been one of the aspects that's bothered me > most in all the time I've been involved in martial arts...that is, the > tendency of some people to literally idolize some of these masters. > Thanks Allen, an Independent, thinker, great, as you see I like to get a few people ruffled, but obviouly you have more on the ball, but don't let it keep you in anyway from supporting or training with Guru Danny, he has something like a 200 gig a byte hard drive up stairs, and can teach you stuff for years to some!! Rocky ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:22:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Daniel Mcconnell (fwd) You are subscribed as dmccnnll@freenet.columbus.oh.us. Please correct. Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: >From eskrima-owner Sat Apr 3 19:14:11 1999 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:14:11 -0500 (EST) To: owner-eskrima Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Daniel Mcconnell ] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Mcconnell Subject: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com I read the Rocks post regarding Dan I. with humor. This might be because Rocky is usually funny. Could it be his spelling? :-) . I don't think that it was as much a post about Dan I. as it was a post about deifying an instructor. Too many times people get wow'd by someone and suddenly they are the beat all to end all. I respect Danny I's. years of training and contribution. It seems that m.a. is truly his lifes work. I have known other men who are the same in that regard, a couple are teachers of mine. They, however, breath, eat, and put their pants on just like I do. They happen to know more about something than I, and I am glad for the chance to be able to learn from them. They have my loyalty and friendship, but they are MEN just like me (us). So, with Rocks humor/war story aside, I think its about respect where its due and not deifying someone other than Christ himself. Daniel McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:26:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: we're all (wo)men Daniel makes many good points and perhaps Rock's comments were reacted to too strongly. But Rock will shut up now, I can ensure that. Give it a rest, Rock. We're all men and women and when we begin to think a teacher is more than a man or a woman we're are missing the boat. Always strive to be better than your instructor(s) else the art suffers. The art shouldn't end with your instructor, but it should start with you... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #134 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.