From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #136 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 5 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 136 In this issue: eskrima: back to the pack eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #134 eskrima: teaching methodology eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #135 eskrima: drama ago-go eskrima: Growing beyond our instructors eskrima: Suro Mike Inay (Seminar in TN) eskrima: Sumo?? eskrima: Will a book come out soon? eskrima: "Martial Arts Are Not Just For Kickin Butt" eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #135 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! 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Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #134 << The art shouldn't end with your instructor, but it should start with you... >> Wow, Ray. A martial artist *and* a philosopher ... great phrase :-) Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:37:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: teaching methodology >Lets make it clear why ... uses the stop watch. It is NOT so he can >disseminate as much material as possible. The sole reason is so that >you will keep coming back (and paying of course) to try and learn what >you caught a glimpse of. A time honored marketing method. It's like downloading demo software; they give you enough to want to buy the package ... My late Tai Chi teacher described this as "hiding one's technique in the open". Not necessarily a bad thing, especially for keeping one's rice bowl full, or dealing with inane challengers ... Those who seem to get the most out of this type of seminar (a hint if you attend) take lots of notes rather than waste those precious few minutes doing something they'll quickly forget. This way they can practice on their own time. Now Angel took an opposite tack. He broke each technique down slowly and progressively, making sure that everyone got it right. Although it seemed simplistic, he got a surprising amount of material out quickly. A typical full day seminar with him would cover much of the first 3 angles. My initiation came in a two day seminar, and I learned most of the basic techniques through angle 4, which seriously hooked my interest in Serrada. To this day most of his students still follow a similar format. "Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups." -anon. Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #135 - -- Mik (kali@sprintmail.com) wrote: << Just a memory ... at one JKD seminar that I attended I was having difficulty with some things in knife work because of the pace of presentation. I pretty much gave up on actually "learning" the stuff adn felt that it was too far from basic drills for me anyway. >> I know that I'm probably stating something that is obvious to many on this list. However, this post brought to mind a recent seminar I attended with Herman Suwanda. There was a guy there who I knew from e-interactions (i.e.: e-mail and such) was pretty new to FMA/IMA (about 2 months of training). He, understandably, had had a lot of trouble during the first day of the seminar. By lunch on the second day, he was totally fed up. He said (paraphrase) that he was totally lost and that he thought he had wasted the money on the seminar. I understood completely since this was the way I felt at my first seminar (with the recently deified noteable that has been banned by Listmaster Ray for the next three digests :-). Consequently, I related the same advice that had been related to me (ironically enough, it was this guy's instructor who had, several years before, helped me to mentally survive my first FMA/IMA seminar). I told him that the best thing to do was to find one or two things that he could wrap his mind around and to hold onto those for dear life. Let everything else wash by. Acknowledge it and note it, but don't try to hang on to it. It's impossible to get all of it and if you try to get all of it, you'll likely end up with less than you could otherwise have had. Anyway, as I said, this is probably common knowledge to many on this list ... but maybe there's someone who's about to attend their first seminar who can benefit from this. Train hard and be well :-) Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:21:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: drama ago-go "Come on Ya'll, can't we just get along...and stickfight." c-Pappy Dog ------------------------------ From: "Grantham, Stephen" Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:11:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Growing beyond our instructors Ray said: We're all men and women and when we begin to think a teacher is more than a man or a woman we're are missing the boat. Always strive to be better than your instructor(s) else the art suffers. The art shouldn't end with your instructor, but it should start with you... - --- This is a good point Ray. I think any good instructor wants his students to surpass him/her. I would say it depends on why they are teaching. I know teachers who teach for their own ego, so they have a little following to stroke their egos. They need a group to look up to them. I have no respect for these people as instructors (even if they are exceptional martial artists), but somehow they almost always manage to find followers. The instructors who have earned my respect are those that encourage you to grow and help you grow to your own limits or beyond. My sifu, Francis Fong, is such a man. Considering his skill level, I have some internal doubts as to my ability to catch up to Sifu, much less surpass him, but that would be my responsibility. Sifu is always trying to find methods to pass the information/learning to his students in a more efficient method, so he attempts to shorten the time it takes to reach a certain level of ability. To me, that's what teaching is all about. I enjoy watching someone learn to do something they were unable to do before. It's very satifying. Steve Grantham sgrantham@microage.com ------------------------------ From: "Steve Klement" Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:13:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Suro Mike Inay (Seminar in TN) I am pleased to announce Suro Mike Inay will be in Knoxville, TN from April 9th -11th. On Friday evening he will be teaching a subject control seminar based on Pressure Sensitive Nerve Areas (pressure points). Sat. and Sun. will be dedicated to launching an I.T.O. program. Though the week-end will be long and intense, I expect he will have an hour or two available for privates on each evening. I know this is extremely short notice but if anyone is interested in either the P.S.N.A. (pressure point) seminar or possible private instruction please call or email me direct. Thanks! Steve Klement Inayan School of Eskrima (423) 988-7599 inayan@conc.tds.net http://www.shoponthenet.com/Inayan/ ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:23:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sumo?? Ok enough of the worshipping crap, lets move on, I 'll think of something else to piss everyone off later, for now: I just got done catching the end of a Sumo contest, believe or not I think I have watched a total of 10 minutes in my whole life. What exactly are the rules, I know you have to knock the other guy out of the ring, but what if you can't is there a time limit or points awarded, can you sweep or do take downs? Isn't that outfit painful ? what about strikes, it looks like these guys would be good lineman in the NFL. Rocky ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:02:25 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Will a book come out soon? Mr. Crafty posted: >This from the writings of Dr. Gyi, (some of which will appear on the webpage of the DBMAA Dog Brothers Martial Arts Ass'n): > "When we reached the crest, we drew our kukris and waited for team 2 to reach the ridge from the western slope. The enemy trenches were only a few yards away. the machine guns Will this be in a book soon? Please keep us posted...I am very interested in WWII history... tnx, tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "Eddie S. Lastra" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:09:05 -0700 Subject: eskrima: "Martial Arts Are Not Just For Kickin Butt" Hello Everyone, I just wanted to share with the newsgroup that the above mentioned book = contains a very well written chapter on the FMA's by list member Jeff = "Stickman" Finder. I think he did an outstanding job of covering the = past history, recent events and personalities, and some interesting = thoughts on the future of FMA's, all in a span of about 20 pages, not an = easy thing to do on a complex and controversial topic. I'm making a = mention of it here because the title of the book is a little ambiguous = (not Jeff's choice, I'm sure), printed writings on the FMA's are sparse, = books go out of print rather quickly, and also that even though = "escrima" is mentioned in small print on the back cover, you don't = realize Jeff is the author until you actually turn to the chapter. = Perhaps a fault of the book's editors. I only checked out the book = because a student asked me a question about it. Other than that I would = not have really picked up the book because of the title. The remainder = of the book is a collection of writings by practitioners of others arts = such as Aikido, Tai-Chi, Capoeira, Womens Martial Arts, etc. So next = time you're out browsing around at your neighborhood Barnes and Noble or = Border's Bookstore, check it out over a cup of Java. Good interesting = reading. Till next time, Eddie S. Lastra Lastra School of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "David Eke" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:23:59 +1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #133 >please let us know the results of your research into "military archives." To my knowledge their is no 10th Burma Gurkha Regiment it's called the 10th Princess Mary's Gurkha Rifles. 10th Burma Gurkha regiment is like saying 6th Tongan Royal Australian Regiment. After the war (1947) the 10th joined the Brithish Army. See: http://www.du.edu/~tomills/military/asia/ia1947.htm >On 27 July, Gen. William Slim, commander of the victorious British 14th >Army, visited our area. Sort of gives me a frame of reference. General William Slim took charge of the 14th Army on the 15th Oct 1943. Interesting he was a Gurkha officer for over 20 years and speaks Nepalese. He had great respect for the Gurkha in terms of their prowess on the battlefield. The parachute (or lack of one) story discussed in a previous digest is one which he related often. >Likewise the implication that VCs are handed out whenever deserved-- I suspect in >the fog of war not all heroics (especially those by small brown "heathens") are fairly >noted by the paper handlers back at headquarters. To consider that the Brithish (paricularly Slim) thought of the Gurkha as "small brown heathens" is riddiculous. As the commanding General he participated in the award of 5 V.C's for Gurkha valor during the campain and as I said before he had been a Gurkha officer along with many of the 14th Army's fighting Generals. Below is a description of a Gurkha V.C. winner On 12/13 May 1945 at Taungdaw, Burma Rifleman Lachhiman Gurung was manning the most forward post of his platoon which bore the brunt of an attack by at least 200 of the enemy. Twice he hurled back grenades which had fallen on his trench, but the third exploded in his right hand, blowing off his fingers, shattering his arm and severely wounding him in the face, body and right leg. His two comrades were also badly wounded, but the rifleman, now alone and disregarding his wounds, loaded and fired his rifle with his left hand for four hours, calmly waiting for each attack which he met with fire at point blank range. See: The Register of the Victoria Cross >Later Jemadur Kharkabadahur Rai from B company was awarded a medal for his >leadership and gallantry in recapturing Scraggy Hill. The men of the 3/10th saluted >him" (More data for Doubting Dave) What medal?? GC, DSC, DCM, DSM, MM Where did the action take place e.g. Bishenpur, Chin Hills. Maybe it was a major part of a battle e.g. Kohima, Imphal >We stood at attention with drawn kukris. The normal command in the British Army for a General reviewing troops is "General salute, present arms" and it's done with a rifle. If Gurkha's do do a salute with a kukris then it presents a problem, that once drawn the kurkris must feel blood and each Gurkha after the salute would have to cut themselves. No problem for them as their tough bastards I suppose it would show how much they respected their reviewing officer. In the long run I am skeptical but would also be the first to publically apologise if someone could present me with solid facts (maybe in a private post) which can be checked against Military Histories or Orders of Battle. I am also sure the Brigade of Gurkha's in Britain would also be able to supply information if I sent them an e-mail. David ------------------------------ From: SPIRIT DANCING IN THE FLESH - KING HARI Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:31:38 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #135 Greetings everyone, Hello I am writing to ask anyone having any past memorabilia that you could give/copy (I'd pay for it) of my teacher Maestro Snookie Sanchez. I only have one picture of him blindfolded whipping out a candle with his bullwhip. Sadly it his with his back turned, and that is the only photo I have of him. I have only two videos of him in it - one I did a demo in as a beginner of a month, and another at Grandmaster Pedoy's tribute (by the way thanks again Mr. Meadows. You don't know how invaluable that video is to me!). I began training with him in 1994 at the age of 16 for a year and a half, then he passed away in May of 1996, so I never had much time with my teacher. Anything would be appreciated - photos, videos and whatnot. He was a past student of Grandmaster Ben Largusa and graduated from the Kali Academy, and from what he told me Guro Dan Inosanto just began trainig with Grandmaster Largusa when Maestro Snookie was a senior student and also planning to leave for Hawaii. So if you have anything, or know anyone who might have anything, please privately email me at elegaspi@hawaii.edu. Much Mahalo, Erwin - HARI- Vicente Legaspi - Spirit Dancing in the Flesh - "The head is only an advertisement. It is the ego looking for recognition." - Swami Satchinanada "If we were humble, nothing would change us - neither praise nor discouragement. If someone were to criticize us, we would not feel discouraged. If someone were to praise us, we also would not feel proud." - Mother Teresa ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #136 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.