From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #139 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 139 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 eskrima: Sumo stomps eskrima: Sumo eskrima: Fma videos eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #137 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 eskrima: gun y daga eskrima: Mechanics of the Garimot System of Arnis BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Eric R. Van Skike" (fwd) eskrima: Re: gun y daga Re: eskrima: Re: gun y daga eskrima: palawkow eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nakmuay Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:17:27 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 10th Gurkha Rifles: 1890 : 1st Regiment of Burma Infantry 1891 : 10th Regiment (1st Burma Battalion) of Madras Infantry 1892 : 10th Regiment (1st Burma Rifles) of Madras Infantry 1895 : 10th Regiment (1st Burma Gurkha Rifles) of Madras Infantry 1901 : 10th Gurkha Rifles 1947 to British Army 1949 : 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles. Later. Abhijit Khirwadkar. > > From: "David Eke" > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:15:44 +1000 > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #137 *snip* > To my knowledge the 10th was established in 1890 and was known as 10th > Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles and it's name did not change (or it's > colours) until the 2,6,7 and 10 GRs became the Royal Gurkha Rifles in 1994. > It was definetly not known as the 10th Burma Gurkha Regiment. The Burma > Regiment raised from non-Burmese survivors of the retreat from Burma > contained a number of battalions of Gurkha's 2nd, 4th and Chins Hill > Battalions. > > David > ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:59:05 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sumo stomps >And why do they squat low and lift their legs up from side to >side before a match? You want a mean nasty power drill for the legs? This is a big part of the training these guys do for lower body power. Get in that deep stance, pick up the leg, and stomp it into the ground as hard as you can. I've heard that top sumos do that for hours, and some of them break down in tears developing this. It hurts. Looks easy ... HAH! "When the going gets tough, the tough take a coffee break." Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:47:55 EDT Subject: eskrima: Sumo "Isn't that outfit painful ?" "As for the uniform, I've never worn them." The belt is thirty feet long and wrapped around the body as many times as it fits. When they toss each other the belt is pretty much the only thing to grab, so I imagine it must be pretty snug. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:03:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Fma videos The Kali Ilustrisimo tapes are available in the philipines. Look for squadron shop. Vol.1 shows thirty diffrents counters, twenty of whitch our specificly for angle one. Its all down by Tony Diego and Ricketts Nether looking very impressive. Though Tony looks like could definity take sombody out, he just doesn't look like Tatang. Vol.2 has Footage of Tatang doing about ten of the contras, in the video it also has Tatang doing double stick, espada y daga and single stick complety unrehersed- pure reaction. If you ever want to see what independent motion between weapon hands, you need to check out Tatang. Vol.3 has examples of enganyos(REALLY good examples) and Reloj de arena. Personally If you have in your collection footage of a Master, you have something that is priceless. ------------------------------ From: "Eddie S. Lastra" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:40:12 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #137 >The officer in charge may have great respect for his allies as General=20 >MacArthur did for the Filipinos during WW2- However, that is not = usually=20 >shared by those in another culture who never saw them in the trenches = and=20 >probably never met or cared to meet the "little brown = brothers...../snip > >- --Rafael-- I remember my father, who was a Philippine Scout in WW II, spoke very = highly of General MacArthur and his staff as people whom they deeply = revered, not only because they were high ranking officers, but because = they stepped down and freely mingled among the troops. He remembered a = time when General Wainwright stopped by their artillery battery just to = shoot the breeze with them and make sure everything was in place. = Apparently the Japanese assault on Corregidor was about to begin. When = my father came to the US right after the war, he quickly realized that = most Americans he met knew little about Filipinos and were not very = friendly. An utter contrast to what he had experienced with the = American GI's he fought alongside. In fact, he was amused that a few = Americans he met thought the Philippine Scouts were a chapter of the Boy = Scouts of America!!! Eddie S. Lastra Lastra School of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 David wrote: << "Legend had it that Gurkhas never drew their service-issued kukri (curved Nepalese knives) without drawing blood, even if it were their own. Although probably a tradition of a bygone era, the legend added immeasurably to the Gurkhas' reputation for toughness." Origins of the legendary Gurkha by US Army/Library of Congress. See http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/nptoc.html#np0129 >> Very interesting. I don't know for sure, but is it possible that they carried two Kukris? One was a tool that they could use to salute with, etc. The other was the "service-issued" one that had to draw blood? << There are plenty of oral histories about inquisitive soldiers asking Gurkha's to see their Kukri and before replacing it into its scabbard cutting themselves. >> Could this have been a myth started and perpetuated by the Ghurkas themselves to instill more fear in their enemies and gain more respect from their allies? << As to a Gurkha considering the Kukri as simply a tool. No soldier ever thinks of a weapon as simply a tool, not when you consider its purpose. >> I have to disagree with this (at least with your sweeping statement at the end). My instructor met Rick Marcinko. When Marcinko found out my instructor teaches FMA, they started talking about knives. Marcinko started pulling knives out (he pulled about 13 knives, and my instructor doesn't think that that was all he was carrying). My instructor noticed that all of the knives were beat to hell, including the $500 custom-made Emerson. My instructor made a comment about this and Marcinko replied, "They're just tools of the trade." Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:10:34 -0500 Subject: eskrima: gun y daga Ray writes: >I've trained with Mas, Jim Cirillo, Louis Awerbuck, John Farnum, at Gunsite, >Threat Mgmt Institute, etc. All stress the use of a good knife, but few >(except Gunsite) teach knife usage. To date I haven't seen any gun y daga >drills, but there may be some out there. For the most part you'd probably >want both hands available to hold the piece, hit the target, and have better >control over the weapon in a disarm situation. IMHO I've taken InSights Training Center's Defensive Folding Knife class several times, which covers integrating the pistol and knife. In their system, the knife is usually used to fight your way out of a handgun retention situation, or against a lethal-force grappling scenario. After you free yourself from the opponent, they recommend either tossing the knife in a direction away from the opponent(s) and drawing the gun, or transferring the knife to the non-dominant hand and drawing the gun and using it dominant-hand-only. The latter is preferable since you retain control of the knife and don't leave it behind for an opponent to pick up, but they leave open the first option for those who aren't totally comfortable shooting one-handed. If using the one-hand technique, when things are sufficiently calmed down, put the knife away and go to a two-hand hold. They recommend against trying to put away the knife while drawing the gun, or using some of the odd Harries-with-a-knife positions you see sometimes, since with both you run a fair risk of cutting yourself under stress. Jay ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:01:27 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Mechanics of the Garimot System of Arnis Kev, the following is my brief description of the "Mechanics of the Garimot System of Arnis" for which I think I am qualified and allow to reveal over the internet. For the real and official version, it would have to come from my instructor Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet and to be honest any written description IMO will not fully explain it. One would have to see Gat Puno Baet in person to first see it's effectiveness. And depending upon one's inherent physics skills, spend countless hours to grasp it. The path of both fighter's sticks do not follow an eclipse and subsequently we do not move to the left or right of the opponent's eclipse. Analyzing the opponents footwork and utilizing the law of physics, the Garimot practitioner positions him or herself where hitting the opponent is a reality while the opponent can only strike and miss. The Garimot path is direct and as in other systems, triangular footwork is used. Forward or reverse contact can always be made while the opponent again can only strike and miss. The Garimot striking techniques in Largo Mano and in general do not follow normal patterns as seen in other systems. We do have our Cinco, Siete, and Doce Teros drills, etc. but when it comes to fighting, the drills that Gat Puno teaches are like a tornado, strikes come from everywhere. If anyone emails me on this message, I will not be able to respond until Monday, April 12, 1999. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Eric R. Van Skike" (fwd) You are subscribed as evanskike@hotmail.com. Please correct. Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from ["Eric R. Van Skike" ] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 02:07:22 -0500 From: "Eric R. Van Skike" To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The Matrix... I was wondering if anyone else on the list has scene "The Matrix" and would like to comment on the fight scenes. I'd like to know what better experienced ma's have to say about them. Thanks for your time. - -eric ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:13:18 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: gun y daga >To date I haven't seen any gun y daga >drills, but there may be some out there. >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com I'm under the impression that Eric Remmen of the Pacific Northwest advertises such an approach for police officers along with his spyderco clipit work. I remember seeing him holding his pistol in a 'combat' stance with the clipit in the bracing hand under it... Ted "the fighting old man" Truscott Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching, and Fight like... ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: gun y daga > I'm under the impression that Eric Remmen of the Pacific Northwest > advertises such an approach for police officers along with his spyderco > clipit work. I remember seeing him holding his pistol in a 'combat' stance > with the clipit in the bracing hand under it... Yes, I forgot about Eric. I haven't seen or heard much from him lately. Is he still teaching his Spyderco class? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Mark Mangosing Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:45:08 -0700 Subject: eskrima: palawkow I trained a little doce pares. During that time I learned a little palawkow sp? Do any other FMA systems contain this type of training? Can any of the DP members describe it? When is this taught in the DP system? thanks. mark ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #139 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.