From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #140 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 140 In this issue: eskrima: Aloha Online News! (fwd) eskrima: Erik Remmen eskrima: Re: kukris again eskrima: Re: The Matrix Re: eskrima: Re: gun y daga eskrima: RE: Sumo eskrima: Matrix reply eskrima: The Perfect Knife? eskrima: Training sticks, Was: introduction eskrima: sumo 2 eskrima: Re:Matrix eskrima: palakaw eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #137 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 eskrima: DBMA Seminar in Florida eskrima: Ho from CO .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Aloha Online News! (fwd) Aloha! TOURNAMENT INFORMATION.... 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Visit Aloha Enterprises International for additional information ------------------------------ From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:51:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Erik Remmen Ray writes: >> I'm under the impression that Eric Remmen of the Pacific Northwest >> advertises such an approach for police officers along with his spyderco >> clipit work. I remember seeing him holding his pistol in a 'combat' stance >> with the clipit in the bracing hand under it... > >Yes, I forgot about Eric. I haven't seen or heard much from him lately. >Is he still teaching his Spyderco class? Erik has not been teaching the last couple of years. Last I heard he had temporarily retired from teaching both the knife course and HwaRangDo. The InSights Training Center course I mentioned previously is based heavily on Erik's class, but has been modified somewhat, mostly to make it simpler. Jay ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:48:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: kukris again Mr. Ecke, The idea of the kukri as a tool and the myth of the blood drawing has been well established. Hank Reinhardt is probably the foremost authority in the U.S. on edged weaponry. He has been the consultant to Atlanta Cutlery and Museum Replicas, Ltd. as well as a number of actual museums in this country and abroad (specifically Germany and the UK). He also, while in the military, spent a number of years on an exchange training program with an actual Ghurka regiment. He has written a number of articles for various publications such as Blade where he has gone over these issues we are discussing. Rather than rely on anecdotal evidence (which is not really evidence), it is better to rely on experts who actually know. There are also a number of active martial arts people such as Greg Walker who also have actually spent time with real Ghurkas, who verify this. Also I have a book of pictures showing Ghurkas using their Kukris just how I described (clearing a landing field for evac, cutting food in WW2). Is it really logical to believe that anyone would cut themselves EVERYTIME they pulled the blade, considering that in the field they probably draw it 5 or 6 times a DAY in those circumstances? Also, modern war is rarely about hand to hand combat. Since WW2, the tales of face to face clashes are so unique that they are well known to most who study the history. That is not enough reason to justify the weight of carrying a short sword around if it's only use is fighting. If that is it's only purpose the weight is better off being used for more ammo, grenades, water, or a pistol. Ask any combat veteran soldier what he used his blade for and the answer will almost always be as a tool. The modern Ghurka regiment is not any different. I am relying on what others have written. However, you might be able to contact Hank Reinhardt through the Historical Armed Combat Association website. I know he can provide enough documentation to satisfy anyone. Also, in some of the knife magazines there is usually an ad for a company that imports actual kukris form Nepal. The owner of the company is very familiar with all the details of the history and use of the kukri. You might try contacting him. Cecil Burch ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: The Matrix << Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 02:07:22 -0500 From: "Eric R. Van Skike" To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The Matrix... I was wondering if anyone else on the list has scene "The Matrix" and would like to comment on the fight scenes. I'd like to know what better experienced ma's have to say about them. Thanks for your time. - - -eric >> I don't know if I'm a "better experienced ma" or not. However, I think that The Matrix was one of the best movies I've ever seen. The plot was good and well presented. The FX were phenomenal. The fight scenes were very good and very well choreographed. It's very evident that the actors spent their 6 months of training well and worked dilligently. I don't know that they learned much in the way of practical skills, but they became very good martial arts actors. Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:53:23 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: gun y daga >Yes, I forgot about Eric. I haven't seen or heard much from him lately. >Is he still teaching his Spyderco class? >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com I haven't been to one of his do's for awhile and don't get his brochures anymore so I'm out of touch too. Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching, and Fight like... ------------------------------ From: Mark Ward Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:05:22 +0100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Sumo > "Isn't that outfit painful ?" > "As for the uniform, I've never worn them." > The belt is thirty feet long and wrapped around the body as > many times as it > fits. When they toss each other the belt is pretty much the > only thing to > grab, so I imagine it must be pretty snug. The uniform, or mawishi, has to be on really tight. If it falls off, or the opponent pulls it off, you lose. A great old page with rules, a list of techniques, etc: http://akebono.stanford.edu/users/jerry/sumo/faq.html Note the billionaire author of the page. mfw - ------------------------------------------------------------- markfward o_o mfw@quokka.com webmaster / )o www.quokka.com quokka sports (_/ $HOME = /dev/null - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:48:02 EDT Subject: eskrima: Matrix reply << I was wondering if anyone else on the list has scene "The Matrix" and would like to comment on the fight scenes. I'd like to know what better experienced ma's have to say about them. Thanks for your time. >> I think the martial arts in the movie was believable because it was supposed to be over the top. If you follow the story they were taught by computer which gave them no boundaries, so that opened the door for the impossible. ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:05:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: The Perfect Knife? Hey! I was doing some solo drills with my Spyderco Endura the other day that got me thinking again about the knife itself. In general I like the knife a lot and it suits my needs well except for two things. First, the handle is too short, even though my hands are relatively small, for an effective punyo strike. Second, I'd rather have a metal clip than the synthetic one. These "flaws" (for lack of a better word) didn't occur to me at the time of purchase. So, out of curiosity, I'd like to know what attributes other list members (as FMA'ers) look for in a knife that they plan to carry everyday for defensive purposes and why. For example, one of my criteria was price. I didn't want a crappy knife, but I didn't want an expensive one either, in case I ever had to leave it behind in a speedy escape. What else (other than firearms) do people carry as their primary defensive weapon? And what about home defense (again no guns)? My goal is to see what other FMA'ers look for when assessing a weapon's attributes. TIA. Dave dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 02:35:39 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Training sticks, Was: introduction On 06-Apr-99, Bradley Ryan wrote: > So if I may bring up a topic, what are > some opinions on the use of wood vs. rattan. Most of the systems I have > trained in use rattan, but when I did Serrada we used very hard wood > sticks. Generally, rattan is used for beginners and general everyday practice because they're cheaper and take hits very well. Rattan sticks won't normally shatter in the middle of training. They'll start fraying at the impact points first before actually breaking. There are three types of rattan: palasan, tumalim, and labsica. Palasan is the most common and cheapest of the three, so it's most likely to be used in training. It's relatively light and has a hollow feel to it. Strikes to palasan sticks can still be felt by the wielder, although not as bad as hard wood. Tumalim is heavier and has a more solid feel to it. It absorbs hits very well. Unfortunately, tumalim isn't as common as palasan. Overall, it's my favorite. Labsica is rarer still, and the most solid of the three. I've never experienced weilding labsica sticks, but I've been told that they're prone to shattering during training. BTW, too much heat tempering will make any rattan stick brittle. Hard wood is usually reserved for advanced practitioners and for actual combat, although some schools will start off beginners with hard wood. Hard wood has more mass which makes such sticks harder to wield, but they significantly cause more damage when they connect (not to mention pain, eeyowtch!). My experience with bahi is that bahi sticks tend to vibrate when hit. Bahi makes for great wooden daggers however. Kamagong doesn't vibrate as much, but is quite heavy to those not used to it. I've been told that kamagong gets weaker the longer it gets, which means they're quite strong for sticks and wooden blades that are around arm's length, but not suited for bokken or staves. The probability of hard wood shattering is lessened because those practicing with hard wood start focusing on technique rather than pure force. It is said that you can guage the skill of an eskrimador using hard wood by how little sound the sticks make. > Also many of the instructors I know cherish their kamagong > (sp?) sticks. I'm not surprised. Kamagong sticks are like diplomas in some schools. > Any preferences of opinions. For training, I prefer tumalim rattan with 1+3/8" diameter. Since 1" diameter sticks seem to be the norm here in the Philippines, my specs are hard to find. I broke my last tumalim pair two months ago and I have to content myself with palasan. I use flattened kamagong sticks or "tapikan" for sword oriented training. I have quite a ways to go before I even think of practicing with metal. Here's a tip. I wrap duct tape around the impact area of my rattan sticks. I find that they last around four times longer. Also, in case of breakage, the duct tape prevents the broken end of a stick from flying off. - -- ][=====================================================================][ ][ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ][ ][ Freelance 3D/2D GF/X artist | My home page is at: _ ][ ][ & desktop videographer | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/_ // ][ ][ Quezon City, Philippines | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ][ ][---------------------------------------------------------------------][ ][ "Ye have enemies? Good, good- that means ye've stood up for ][ ][ something, sometime in thy life...." -Elminster of Shadowdale ][ ][=====================================================================][ ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:47:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: sumo 2 In a message dated 99-04-06 00:57:04 EDT, you write: << Alain, As far as the Sumo goes , what I caught on the boob tube the other day, the guy from south Africa won , but he was only about 325 lbs, isn't this light for a sumo? I thought they went around 400 lbs to 500 lbs. And why do they squat low and lift their legs up from side to side before a match? Rocky Some of the heaviest are up at those weights, but not all. I have not watched the international compitions, just the official bashos in Japan. Wakanohana just became the 66 person to be promoted to yokazuna last year, and I don't remember his weight, but I don't think it was much more than 300 pounds, I'm sure it was under four. His younger brother (my favorite) was promoted to yokazuna when I lived there, and he is a little heavier. The other yokazuna in Akebono, and he is around 500 pounds or more, but he is also around 6'8" or so. The heaviest was Konishki who retired a couple years ago. Aerosmith fans can see him on the cover of the "Big Ones" CD. He was over 600 pounds. Even though he is the biggest, he never made yokazuna (the highest rank a sumo can make) By the way, this is the first time that two brothers have both been yokazuna at the same time. The squatting and stomping, along with the throwing salt is tradition and ceremony. Naturally being Japanese, tradition and ceremony are important. I'd rush home and watch it live when I got off of work. I had a bilingual tv so I could pick up the English broadcast. It would take an hour for the top matches of the day. If for some reason I missed this, I could catch all the highlights at night and see all of the action in about 15 or 20 minutes. The nightly recap cut out all the salt throwing, stomping, etc. In a way, I do miss it. I did catch a broadcast from Japan on ESPN a while back and got to see my boy Takanohana kick butt. But sumo isn't real big up here in MT. Not the same when you can't go to work the next day and talk about it. (Everyone thought it was cool that I liked sumo, and knew who the players were, etc. Helped me fit in at work) Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:05:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:Matrix << I was wondering if anyone else on the list has scene "The Matrix" and would like to comment on the fight scenes. I'd like to know what better experienced ma's have to say about them. Thanks for your time. - - -eric>> Nice looking film with spectacular effects- the biggest special effect the Matrix shares with the Star Wars franchise is that in the future Asian Culture lives on without any... um, Asians. I guess they shot these films in front of a yellow screen. - --Rafael-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:20:56 -0600 Subject: eskrima: palakaw Mark wrote: "I trained a little doce pares. During that time I learned a little palawkow sp? Do any other FMA systems contain this type of training? Can any of the DP members describe it? When is this taught in the DP system? thanks. mark" In Doce Pares, palakaw refers to controlled, freestyle sparring in corto range. Because of the short range, the drill is dominated by curved striking (kurbada, witik) and checking/parrying. Checking emphasizes the use of the kaw-it (hooking with the little fingers of the check hand). At more advanced levels, disarms, locks, off-balancing, and sweeps are introduced, as well as counters to all of these. In general, holding the opponent's stick is considered bad form, since forbidding it forces one to develop skill at checking/parrying. When it is taught varies from instructor to instructor. GM Cacoy teaches it early and often. It fact, it is the hallmark of his method. Personally, I teach students the tapi-hubud first, using only punyo attacks. (Most systems have some version of this.) Then counterstrikes which evade hubud blocking are introduced. Then free-style work at slow speed. Then faster. I hope this helps. Steve Wolk ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:08:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #137 In a message dated 4/5/99 3:59:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Jemadar ... Jem Hadar ... yet another Asian culture ripped off by Star Trek (like samurai Klingons). >> Klingons were Mongols. I thought the Romulans who were based on the Japanese culture ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:17:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #138 In a message dated 4/5/99 9:55:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: From Animal << It gets confusing. Steve Plinck and Steve Perry are in Steve Plinck's Silat group.... >> More Steves than you can throw a kali stick at. Which is not a bad idea. Especially if you follow it up with running fiercely ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:06:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: DBMA Seminar in Florida A Howl of Greeting to All: Concerning the seminar in Florida, here is the info: Hosts: Hilton Yam and Earl Stewart Time: June 19-20, 1999; 10 am - 4 pm (be prompt!) Location: Winter Park, FL Cost: Pre-registered: 2 Days - $125, 1 Day - $70 At the door (call first): 2 Days - $140, 1 Day - $80 To register, contact Earl Stewart/Central Florida Knife and Tool at knifeandtool@mindspring.com or 800/804-0020. Questions may be directed to this forum. Students should bring rattan sticks and dress comfortably. *No videotaping allowed. Woof, Guro Crafty PS: Regarding fight scenes in "The Matrix" movie: I haven't seen it yet, but Chad Stahelski did the fights (some? all?) for Keanu Reeves. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Ho from CO Hello again from Colorado. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #140 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.