From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #142 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 7 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 142 In this issue: eskrima: Re: battlefield combat eskrima: Re: Reaching "no thought" fighting eskrima: Suro Mike Inay Seminar in Long Beach, CA. eskrima: Re:Knives, specifically BM eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #141 eskrima: re inspiration eskrima: Doggy help!! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #141 eskrima: Spydercos Re: eskrima: Doggy help!! eskrima: question, combative umbrella? eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:38:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: battlefield combat Re: Paul Martin's comments on hand to hand combat I will make this my last comment on this subject because I feel Mr, Terry getting ready to drop the digest guidelines on me :>) Mr. Martin While there are still a number of instances of hand to hand fighting in modern wars where a blade can be handy, they are a tiny, tiny statistical anomaly in comparison to the actual number of total participants in a given conflict. My point (badly made though it was) was that though there are times when it happens, they are so abnormal that it becomes written and talked about and it distorts the complete picture. For example, at the end of the (active portion, since it was never technically ended) Korean War a report was done by the U.S. army. There were a number of well publicized incidents of hand to hand fighting from in the later trench type phase of the war, but it was found that less than 1% of all casualties were from those type of incidents. Granted, if you were in that 1% it was REALLY freaking important, but it is still an anomaly and anecdotal. All this is not to dispute the usefullness of a blade for a soldier (I think it is an integral part of his equipment), just that as a weapon should only be one criteria for choosing it. Also, I agree that the evolving face of modern war leads to a greater need for CQC training and weaponary. Man, see what you started Mr. Denny? :>) Cecil Burch ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Reaching "no thought" fighting Tom Gerace wrote: << Now, I am far from close to that level of skill, but I have been wondering, what will get a person to that level? Is it just plain experience? is it the achievement of absolute expertise in every skill, weapon and technique involved in combat? is it just plain old attitude and aggressiveness coupled with whatever skills and tool you have on hand? Is it spiritual? Physical? Mental? >> I'm only just beginning (after nearly 20 years involvement in several martial arts) to reach this type of level. I could be off-base, but in my opinion (and limited experience with this) I think it primarily comes down to repetition to develop muscle memory/reflexes. You have to practice with your tools (whether we're talking about hands, knees, elbows, sticks, knives, guns, etc.) to the point that it becomes like walking or breathing ... no conscious thought involved. Along with this, you have to have some experience with application in, if not reality, something approaching it as closely as possible. No matter how much training you've had or drilling you've done, you won't really know how you'll react to a threat until you encounter it (all my childhood fantasies of taking out a gunman went right down the drain when I was faced with the situation ... while I did keep my head and not get shot, I quickly decided that all my delusions of heroics were not very realistic). Some people, regardless of training, will freeze up the first time someone attacks them. The only way to get around things like this is to be attacked (either for real, or as realistically as can be set up). Another key, that I think is vital, is "wargaming." By this, I mean, while walking down the street, try to be aware of your surroundings and of people who are potential threats. Now, I don't mean they "look suspicious," though this may also be the case. What I mean is that maybe they're running full-tilt trying to catch their running child ... maybe they don't present an immediate danger to you, but if you think "what if I were in their way, what would I do?" For this, don't think WWJD, think WWID (What Would I Do). We all do this to one extent or another ... but if you do it regularly, then you start to expect the unexpected and you tend to keep yourself in a higher state of awareness. Anyway, like I said, I could be out in left field somewhere (I know I've found myself there often enough in the past :-), but this is what I think, FWIW. Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:53:24 EDT Subject: eskrima: Suro Mike Inay Seminar in Long Beach, CA. Meowmix to all, CAT Society is hosting Suro Mike Inay Of Inayan System of Eskrima: When: Saturday, May 15, 1999 Time: 12n- 4pm Cost: $35.00 pre-registration by May 10,1999 or $50.00 at the door Place: 3918 Atlantic Ave.,Long Beach, CA. Mail Check and payable to: Nelson B. Trinidad 11523 E. 206th St.,Lakewood, CA. 90715 For others staying over the weekend and see Disney, Queen Mary,L. B. Pacific Aquarium and others the hotel will be: Holday Inn (mention DOT Seminar) and get $59 pr night + tax(reg $114) 2640 Lakewood, Blvd., Long Beach, CA. 90815 / Reservation ends 4/30/99 Phone(562)597-4401 Fax(562)498-1010 @ 5 mins. from the seminar Please let me know if you want the flyer w/ directions to get there Seminar topics: KADENA DE MANO ESPADA Y DAGA ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:39:48 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:Knives, specifically BM Just a short note to everyone owning Benchmade Ascents, formerly Eclipses: recently, there was quite a few reliable reports in the knife industry about the blades suffering lock failure, and closing. The problem was with the mid-sized model, number 830, i believe. Check by holding the knife edge up, and rapping the blade spine a few timeson a table or something hard. You probably want to wear gloves. Of course, we do this with all the knives we own, for safety, right? My first post. interesting. Stay Sharp, Joe S. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:29:42 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #141 In a message dated 99-04-07 12:10:44 EDT, you write: << << And what about home defense (again no guns)? >> >> From Animal Try a sword. A quick trip to a local gunshow can usually net you a 440 stainless Katana for a reasonable price. Unlike an impact weapon (e.g. a baseball bat) rushing one is a real bad idea. The other neat thing about swords is it is hard to accidentally shoot someone with one. And if you live in a state with screwed up self-defense laws it's kind of self-explainatory. "Was he attacking you" "He was close enough to get cut by a sword, what do you think?" ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:37:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: re inspiration Tenrec Wrote: > I think Jewel said it best when she was glad her music inspired people > to do good things: "Not idolize--Inspire" > Ah signs of intelligence, I like it. > (But Mr. Rocky--what do we do with that busload of voluptuous > cheerleaders who've been dying to shower you with lotus petals and > praise? Oh well...) > Well since I am such a big Dick Head they'll figure out what to do, Of course a certain little boy will be jealous,................ ( of the girls ) Any ways all this ranting about various gods, has got me thinking about, a few things that were mentioned and since their are a number of us who make part of our living doing seminars, it got my melon thinking. I know Danny I. has some get reasoning behind his theory of teaching with the stop watch and all, ( if he still does that ) and I know of a few others who like to bombard the customers at seminars, with a tone of stuff, so they get their fill, or maybe to keep them coming back, or I have heard and I do believe that it works sometimes that if you get a lot of stuff thrown at you, some of it gets locked away in your memory banks, and a few months later when you re-learn it, it just sort of falls in place. So I was wondering what others' plan when they do a seminar, I personally try to get a feel for how and what kind of martial artist have shown up, and while I like to give them enough for their money, I also like to make sure that everyone gets at least a few of my things down good so they can take them home and add them to their arsenal, I like to interact as much as possible ( which unfortunately will be hard to due this weekend in Flag Staff, due to surgery I will be having as soon as I get back ) I also like to find things in the groups art , say they are mostly TKD then I will try to find away in which they may be able to apply their skills in with what I am teaching. Any ways I was just wondering how other do it or how others would like to see it done from say a students point of view. See Ray, and you thought all this was going no where!!! :-) I just took the scenic route. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:56:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Doggy help!! The Easter Bunny just brought my daughter a little golden Lab, for her birthday which just happened to be the day before Easter. My first dog a little spaniard mix live to be 18 and my 2nd do which my mother took possesion of is now about 16 years old, extremely old for a Timber Wolf / husky mix ( at least thats what I been told ), she was a runt and still came in at about 140 lbs. One dog was fixed and one wasn't. My question is ,is it healthier for the animal to have them fixed or not, vets always say yes. But of course these are the same guys who along with the humane societies put a number of crate companies out of business back in the 70s, because it wasn't humane and now all of a sudden they push crate training on people cause it is the newest politically correct thing to do, not to mention that these new crate companies donate a boat load of money to various veterinarian groups and humane societies. Since so many of you guys seem to be breeders or at least know a lot about dogs I figured I'd ask. Also do you know of any good products to help keep their dandruff down to help with my allergies. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:41:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #141 In a message dated 99-04-07 12:10:44 EDT, you write: << The tools should be automatic, its the "what do I have to get done?" question that is important, not the what tool should I use question. Yes some situations will need to be analyzed and the proper approach planned and determined. >> From Animal Beleive it or not what you are talking about is having a good filing system, not a good technique. It is recognizing the significance and degree of danger and threat and having an approrpiate response tagged for just that kind of situation. Before you go off to war, go out and read Daniel Goleman's "Emotional Intellegence." It explains the nuerological back alley to our amygdala. Our amygdala has it's hand on the control button for our reactions. How well trained it is depends, not only on how much expeirence we have, but how much time we have spent working on training this puppy dog how we want it to react to certain cues. Face it calling in an airstrike against a drunk Marine is over reacting just a bit. On the other hand snapping that same Marine's arm when he pulls a knife and is too drunk to effectively attack is appropriate (As opposed to crushing the throat of a sober Serb SFer who comes out of the bushes). If you don't have your monkey brain trained to differentiate between degrees of threat, you will have a problem. That includes having it trained enough to make it sit still while you analyze the situation. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:01:32 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Spydercos >I, however, personally prefer the synthetic clip. Until recently, I did too. However, a couple of months ago I was walking through a doorway with my Endura in my front right pocket, and the clip snagged the metal latch liner in the door jamb and snapped off. Now my clipit doesn't clip no mo'. A metal one can be replaced or bent back into shape. >Re Spydercos, I used to only carry Enduras and Delicas. However now I try >to carry only liner lock knives (or roller lock). If you grip a Delica or >Endura hard enough and just right you will unlock the blade. After it >happened to me once I never carried my Endura again... I've heard almost the exact same comment from Art Gitlin. Now that my clipit won't clip, I'll be looking for a knife that incorporates this advice. I know it's been covered before, but suggestions? "INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY. " Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Doggy help!! > The Easter Bunny just brought my daughter a little golden Lab, for her... All answers should go directly to Rock via private e-mail. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ken Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:25:30 -0700 Subject: eskrima: question, combative umbrella? Hi, I had an exotic weapons question, and since this is probably one of the best public compilations of impact weapon experts, I thought I'd give it a shot -- does anyone know of a resource for umbrellas designed to tolerate combat conditions? That is, perhaps an umbrella with a particularly heavy and resilient frame which could be more readily used as an impact weapon, kali-style, and not just a hook/poker? Either a particularly tough brand or a specially made umbrella weapon reference would be appreciated. Thank y'all in advance! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #142 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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